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  1. Lepoete's Avatar
    Don't forget that Eve V is Y series processors. That is Core M. It's not true core i5 and i7. Intel is trying to confuse the public.
    Core-m can be enough for most people. I've got a Lenovo Yoga 710 10" with a Core-m5 and it's quite good for everyday usage. I wouldn't do CPU intensive word on there like video editing and gaming, but for most tasks it's got enough power.

    For most people, the CPU stands mostly idle most of the time.
    06-16-2017 11:22 AM
  2. anon(10215379)'s Avatar
    I would not trust a startup/unknown new device for my computer, as the stakes are too high.
    I would. Everyone was a start up at some point. The very first Apple was in a wooden box! The Eve V answers some of the questions MS has decided to ignore, price and IO. But, to be fair it is a risk, but, no risk no reward.
    06-16-2017 11:59 AM
  3. onlysublime's Avatar
    Core-m can be enough for most people. I've got a Lenovo Yoga 710 10" with a Core-m5 and it's quite good for everyday usage. I wouldn't do CPU intensive word on there like video editing and gaming, but for most tasks it's got enough power.

    For most people, the CPU stands mostly idle most of the time.
    But because of how Intel is naming their CPUs, people will see one system with a Core i5 (which used to be called Core M5) and see the Surface Pro Core i5 (which is Kaby Lake U series) and think they're the same even though one CPU/GPU is dramatically inferior.
    06-16-2017 01:21 PM
  4. shanahben's Avatar
    I want a Surface Pro but I think it's slightly overpriced. Is there any other devices out there with similar specs that I can get more bang for the buck?
    I actually have the same question. Looking at the HP Spectre x360 although it isn't exactly detachable like the Surface Pro.
    06-16-2017 02:43 PM
  5. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    I want a Surface Pro but I think it's slightly overpriced. Is there any other devices out there with similar specs that I can get more bang for the buck?
    Have you considered an earlier surface pro model.

    First and second gen surface pro devices are cheap these days. I have a secondhand surface pro first gen device for less than 300 US dollars. Surface 3, pro 3 and ceratain pro 4 models are also worth considering secondhand or refurbished.

    All surface pro are high end high quality devices.

    I currently own two surface pro first gen devices. One I orignally bought at launch and one 3 years old second hand. Both are still in good condition, are snappy to use with general use. Batterylife is naturally lower with previousgen Li-ion batteries, but not per se due to capacity loss. I am convinced that surface devices are a good investment, even if a couple of years older. The quality is simply very good. The biggest trade off is battery life, especially when baked into the device and non-replaceable. Maybe some minor lagging in spec performance such as pen and cpu performance. But the i5 3317U chipsets still provide a snappy performance with windows 10 creators update. screen still performs well, nightlight works.
    06-16-2017 03:06 PM
  6. ajcletus500's Avatar
    Core-m can be enough for most people. I've got a Lenovo Yoga 710 10" with a Core-m5 and it's quite good for everyday usage. I wouldn't do CPU intensive word on there like video editing and gaming, but for most tasks it's got enough power.

    For most people, the CPU stands mostly idle most of the time.
    I think if someone really doesn't need raw power from their device all the time, the EVE V is the best in the market. but things like service and reliability is something that concerns me
    06-16-2017 03:30 PM
  7. convergent's Avatar
    I would. Everyone was a start up at some point. The very first Apple was in a wooden box! The Eve V answers some of the questions MS has decided to ignore, price and IO. But, to be fair it is a risk, but, no risk no reward.
    I guess it depends on what you are using it for. If it was a consumption device for home use, I guess it wouldn't matter. I intend to use it for business and no... I don't want to be somewhere on the other side of the world and have it fail and not be able to get any help. So for my use, it needs to be from a reputable tier 1 computer maker.
    06-16-2017 04:41 PM
  8. onlysublime's Avatar
    Have you considered an earlier surface pro model.

    First and second gen surface pro devices are cheap these days. I have a secondhand surface pro first gen device for less than 300 US dollars. Surface 3, pro 3 and ceratain pro 4 models are also worth considering secondhand or refurbished.

    All surface pro are high end high quality devices.

    I currently own two surface pro first gen devices. One I orignally bought at launch and one 3 years old second hand. Both are still in good condition, are snappy to use with general use. Batterylife is naturally lower with previousgen Li-ion batteries, but not per se due to capacity loss. I am convinced that surface devices are a good investment, even if a couple of years older. The quality is simply very good. The biggest trade off is battery life, especially when baked into the device and non-replaceable. Maybe some minor lagging in spec performance such as pen and cpu performance. But the i5 3317U chipsets still provide a snappy performance with windows 10 creators update. screen still performs well, nightlight works.
    Batteries age as soon as they leave the factory. So a 4 year old OG Surface Pro has a 4 year old battery. It doesn't matter if it was forgotten and shrinkwrapped and tucked away. The battery is 4 years old. And as batteries age, capacity drops.

    I still love my Surface Pro 2. But that's as far back as people should consider unless the original generation Surface Pro is dirt dirt cheap. For one thing, the OG Surface Pro has Ivy Bridge for the processor. Pretty ancient and poor with battery life even with new batteries.

    The Surface Pro 2 has the same overall form factor, but made a number of significant improvements. For one thing, it has Haswell. And it has the 2-position kickstand. I tried out the original Surface Pro kickstand and I admire its owners because that one position is maddening.

    Remember that the Surface Pro 3 was lined up to get Broadwell. However Intel was very late with Broadwell so SP3 ended up with the hotter running Haswell that came from the Surface Pro 2. The Surface Pro 2 was built like a tank and had a thermal design that could withstand the hot Ivy Bridge. That's why Haswell ran better on SP2 than SP3. Because SP3 thermal design was designed to handle the cooler Broadwell but ended up having to manage the heat from Haswell. So SP3 could throttle under load because of heat (which is why i7 on the SP3 was terrible).

    My Surface Pro 2 with Core i5, 8 GB RAM, and 512 GB SSD still feels very fast so performance is not an issue. In fact, it's comparable (though slower) than my Surface Pro 4 with Core i7/8GB/256GB. And the SP2 is built like a tank. When you write or draw on the screen, there is ZERO flex. My SP4 flexes all the time because it's so thin and light. You can literally see the screen pinch as you apply pressure just like when you press against an LCD with your thumb on the laptop. On the SP2, you press down on the Gorilla Glass and it's like a rock solid piece of glass.
    06-17-2017 02:10 AM
  9. sssamjoan's Avatar
    I have a 2010 13" MacBook Pro which is pretty much broken and looking to upgrade. Does anyone know if this is comparable to the new MacBooks? So far from reviews, looks like 2017 Surface Pro is the way to go. Has anyone done the switch? Or are they too different?
    06-18-2017 06:53 AM
  10. Noyooper's Avatar
    I just tether my SP4 or Spectre X360 to my phone, have never felt a need for an LTE tablet device.
    06-18-2017 06:03 PM
  11. david90531's Avatar
    From the prototype it seems like the Eve V is pretty interesting and the io is great, but definitely not as powerful. If you want something LIKE a surface pro but cheaper and less powerful, then I guess you can consider it
    06-19-2017 02:31 AM
  12. CrippsCorner's Avatar
    The Surface Pro 2 has the same overall form factor, but made a number of significant improvements. For one thing, it has Haswell. And it has the 2-position kickstand. I tried out the original Surface Pro kickstand and I admire its owners because that one position is maddening.
    I've put up with the single position for 4 years! Just got used to it... but just picked me up a new Surface Pro; it's going to be quite the change but I'm looking forward to it.
    06-20-2017 08:09 AM
  13. 2in1Fan's Avatar
    Anyone have any thoughts on the new HP Sceptre x2?
    06-20-2017 01:56 PM
  14. onlysublime's Avatar
    Anyone have any thoughts on the new HP Sceptre x2?
    it's a good machine. no rear camera so no pics or videos. the battery life is a lot less. they fixed it by offering a true i5 and i7. Before, it was strictly Core M series. A lot of bang for the buck. The kickstand is weird and not as functional.
    06-20-2017 02:31 PM
  15. 2in1Fan's Avatar
    Anyone have any thoughts on the new HP Spectre X2?
    06-21-2017 02:46 PM
  16. jmork's Avatar
    The acer aspire 12 is quite nice!
    06-27-2017 12:23 PM
  17. convergent's Avatar
    Anyone have any thoughts on the new HP Spectre X2?
    If you are talking about the new 2017 version, it looks like one of the best alternatives. Its widely available in the US at Best Buy, so been seeing a lot of folks that have bought it. From what I've heard, the biggest drawback is that its battery life is not as good as the nSP. It is cheaper though. And for me personally, I cosmetically hate the gold kickstand.
    06-28-2017 10:31 AM
  18. DQuiLon's Avatar
    I also fell in love with the Asus Transformer Pro 3 when it was announced (I was using a Surface Pro 3 from my office at the time), but the battery life seemed abysmal by reviewers, so I passed on the Transformer and got a Surface Book instead. No Regrets...

    BTW the entry level SB is ~800 $ in amazon right now. IMO is a steal (even without the dGPU)
    10-22-2017 10:31 AM
  19. DQuiLon's Avatar
    I have a 2010 13" MacBook Pro which is pretty much broken and looking to upgrade. Does anyone know if this is comparable to the new MacBooks? So far from reviews, looks like 2017 Surface Pro is the way to go. Has anyone done the switch? Or are they too different?
    I haven't personally done the switch, but I know for sure how different those two beasts are. In my office there is a mix of MacBooks and Surfaces...

    The older MacBooks like yours have a complete port array, so if you are planning to switch to a Surface Pro, you will also need the Surface Dock, unless you can manage with just one USB-A.

    If I were you I would go for the Surface Book because it has similar connectivity to the old MacBooks and it is the direct competitor.

    The display on Surface is better, though I haven't compared it to the newest MacBook Pro (they both seem on par)

    Performance wise, it all depends on what system you choose... but the Surface Pro with i7, have Iris graphics, a slightly less powerful version than the ones inside current MB Pro. Surface Book on the other hand will smash the MacBook (unless you compare it to the quad-core 15"). MacBook's SSD and RAM seem to be a little faster too, but you will never notice it.

    Battery life between the newest Surface Pro, MacBooks and Surface Book seem to be all very similar... The older Surface Pro 4 had worse battery life.

    I love my current Surface Book (1st gen)... I have had to deal with glitches and quirks, but it is still the best laptop I have ever used... and I am looking forward to the SB2
    10-22-2017 10:47 AM
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