[Dusteater]

Does anyone else think the pricing on this is out of line? Let's look at the base 8GB of RAM model. To go from 128GB to 256GB of storage will set you back $300. That is an absurd amount of money to charge for an additional 128GB of storage.

Was interested in this device at first, but the pricing makes this a no go for me.

[leo74]

I'm in the same boat. Wanted to replace my Envy X2 with it, but I but $1500 bucks plus about $300 for pen and cover puts it almost at twice what the Envy cost me all in. That seems like a non starter and it's really just the additional RAM I was looking for.

[nate0]

It is taking on the ipad pro. So let's compare apples to apples?

[leo74]

Fair point, but it is also taking on other WoA devices, so the comparison with the X2 is not outlandish.

[nate0]

That is the other thing. The SQ1 chip will not be available to other OEMs. It is exclusive to Microsoft. So, we may have to wait for a break down on materials to see why they justify that amount. This thing would put the X2 to shame though as for hw...

[Dusteater]

It is taking on the ipad pro. So let's compare apples to apples?

iPad Pro starts at $999, same as Surface Pro X. But iPad Pro upgrade to 256GB of storage is only $150. Microsoft is charging twice as much for the same storage increase. How can they justify that?

[nate0]

iPad Pro starts at $999, same as Surface Pro X. But iPad Pro upgrade to 256GB of storage is only $150. Microsoft is charging twice as much for the same storage increase. How can they justify that?

But...theirs is removable . Still you have a point.

[Drael646464]

iPad Pro starts at $999, same as Surface Pro X. But iPad Pro upgrade to 256GB of storage is only $150. Microsoft is charging twice as much for the same storage increase. How can they justify that?

What type of storage is it? Is that the only difference between those models?

I searched, but I couldn't find enough data to really say what the specs are or prices for sure.

[justjun555]

wait for other oem devices running on snapdragon 8cx.

[nate0]

What type of storage is it? Is that the only difference between those models?

I searched, but I couldn't find enough data to really say what the specs are or prices for sure.

It is either m.2 or the step above that, which I am not aware of what form factor would be better or faster than m.2 pcie. It has to be something better otherwise maybe there is some other spec that is bumped not directly listed when you go to 256GB. Microsoft would have a reason I am sure...

[Dusteater]

What type of storage is it? Is that the only difference between those models?

I searched, but I couldn't find enough data to really say what the specs are or prices for sure.

That is the only difference between the two models, the storage space. I think Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot on pricing here. Charging double what Apple charges just isn't going to fly.

[Cruncher04]

Indeed the SSD upgrade is a bit on the pricy side - on the other hand its the same for all the Surface models.
I am currently thinking of going with the 8GB/128GB Model and upgrading the SSD myself.

[leo74]

So, I pre-ordered. Microsoft sucked me in again :)

Worth mentioning is that there are 2 keyboards for this device. One is the Surface Pro X keyboard, but that does not seem to have the cradle for the slim pen.
The one that does, is included in they Surface Pro X Signature Keyboard bundle.
Interestingly enough, I found no way to order the signature keyboard alone, so the bundle seems to be the only way of getting it.

[Drael646464]

That is the only difference between the two models, the storage space. I think Microsoft has shot themselves in the foot on pricing here. Charging double what Apple charges just isn't going to fly.

if it's removeable standard m.2 storage then you could just buy your own.

[Cruncher04]

I also pre-ordered. I am going for the 16/256 model. Should be a nice upgrade for my Envy X2 :)
We are looking at 2xCPU performance, 3xGPU performance, 4xRAM - thats a huge jump.

[HeyCori]

My guess would be because of the proprietary removable SSD.

[Dusteater]

My guess would be because of the proprietary removable SSD.

It's been stated that it's an M.2 form factor. Looking at the brief moments they show it in the videos, it looks like a 2226 size possibly. Took a quick look online, and while it's a standard M.2 size, I can't find anyone actually making an SSD that size. Seems to defeat the purpose of having removeable storage if only Microsoft can provide a replacement at hyper inflated prices.

[bulls96]

So what does $300 buy you if you upgrade it yourself?

[Dusteater]

So what does $300 buy you if you upgrade it yourself?

You can buy a Samsung 970 EVO at 1TB for $170. But that’s a 2280 size. As I’ve said, there are no SSD’s on the market with the M.2 form factor Microsoft went with.

I’m sure they were careful to do this so no one could buy cheaper storage from another party than Microsoft itself.

[Cruncher04]

You can buy a Samsung 970 EVO at 1TB for $170. But that’s a 2280 size. As I’ve said, there are no SSD’s on the market with the M.2 form factor Microsoft went with.

I’m sure they were careful to do this so no one could buy cheaper storage from another party than Microsoft itself.

Is it so far fetched to just assume, that there not more space in such a slim device, that they did not go with the "huge" 2280 form factor? M.2 2242 is almost half the size of M.2 2280. A 2226 would be even smaller...

[Drael646464]

You can buy a Samsung 970 EVO at 1TB for $170. But that’s a 2280 size. As I’ve said, there are no SSD’s on the market with the M.2 form factor Microsoft went with.

I’m sure they were careful to do this so no one could buy cheaper storage from another party than Microsoft itself.

Even if that's the case, third parties will still make them; as soon as the device is out, manufacturers will be on it.

[Dusteater]

Even if that's the case, third parties will still make them; as soon as the device is out, manufacturers will be on it.

I hope that will be the case, will have to wait and see. Not sure if one device will be a large enough market to manufacture them.

[sd4f]

I think the pricing is because for its intended users, it offers better features than a surface pro. For instance, longer battery life, LTE and always on capability.

For people that need x86 compatibility, well they're just not going to consider it, but then for a whole lot of people who mostly operate from a web browser, well, in some respects it presents better value, so they will probably look on price. If it was too cheap, then it would cannibalise sales of the surface pros, and they'd earn less money.

I also think that MS intentionally positions itself as a premium brand in order to not upset its partners, give them some market space to compete in as well.

[Marcin Winkowski]

You'll not upgrade it because 2230 ssd's are not produced for consumers anymore :D. Ther're only available for OEM devices :). Thats why its removable xD. You'll need to contact OEM like MS to buy one xD for high price ofcourse.

[nate0]

You'll not upgrade it because 2230 ssd's are not produced for consumers anymore :D. Ther're only available for OEM devices :). Thats why its removable xD. You'll need to contact OEM like MS to buy one xD for high price ofcourse.

What's the price range for a 2230 ssd of 256gb?