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  1. sholokov's Avatar
    On a 737, awaiting takeoff a month ago, I sat next to a kind gentleman who was also destined for Seattle. About 30 minutes in, I noticed him noticing my Windows Phone as I changed music. He politely inquired: "I see you are using a Windows Phone, why is that?" To which I replied: "Because I'm stupid, or stubborn. I've always used them, this one still works great, I don't care about SnapChat and there's a slim hope for a mythical "Surface Phone" they are supposed to be working on". He then told me he loved his Windows Phone until he lost it on a hike recently.

    It turns out he's a Microsoft engineer that was working on the phone project and over the course of a longer conversation I learned that he's working on the "next thing" as well. I told him everything I've heard about the new device and he stated "sometimes, rumors are not wrong" -citing the fact that he can't confirm anything concrete. I asked him point blank about whether or not I should bite the bullet and by a nice Android device as I'd been contemplating. He told me in no uncertain terms that, as a business user, I would be very disappointed in wasting my money" if I did and that I should wait foe what would be released "very soon". He confirmed he's using "something" in his office every day that he wishes he could take out but that has to be kept under wraps for now. We discussed the way they were porting 32-bit software into Apps and much more.

    Honestly, I thought I had hit the Windows Phone fanboy jackpot. We said our good-byes at the end of the flight and I thanked him for keeping me from wasting my money. So, my 950 XL will have to trudge on a little longer. Surface Phone/Andromeda/Journal/whatever you are called, I await your debut.
    You just gave me tremendous amount of hope. Read my comment above as I was wishing all these rumors were true. Thank you!
    06-10-2018 04:44 PM
  2. ReachJasonHere's Avatar
    That's exactly how I felt getting off of the plane.
    06-10-2018 05:46 PM
  3. Jeffery L's Avatar
    I'm in the same boat as you Sholokov with some exceptions. I do not really use Continuum regularly except when I project to my TV. When Andromeda comes out, I'm hoping Andromeda can eventually replace all my devices. That may not be the case at version 1.0 of Andromeda, but I expect a pocketable PC will meet all my computing needs eventually. In terms of apps, when I'm home, I don't really use my phone. I only use my phone for calls, check the weather, and play music. I use my laptop for everything else. The laptop has a bigger screen and keyboard. I don't really understand why people use their phones at home when they have a computer. I think they get into the habit of using their phones and the apps on their phones, and then don't bother configuring their laptop for similar workflows. That is unfortunate, because the phone is so small and arduous to use. I believe this is why I don't really feel the "app gap" with my Lumia 950. I really only use it when I'm on the go. And when I use it on the go, it has to be something that is required because I am on the go. I do not use apps to relieve boredom while on the go, and I do not use apps that will distract me while on the go. I also do not use apps on the go for things that don't happen that often. In other words, if it can wait until I get home; like banking or the occasional on-line shopping purchase. When Andromeda becomes my only computing device, I will enjoy the same app experience on a desktop form factor and phone form factor. I currently already enjoy the same app experience now between my Lumia 950 and Windows 10 laptop for many apps. Most of the apps I use are UWP, and I can use them on both places with the same experience.
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    06-10-2018 06:20 PM
  4. anon(10458357)'s Avatar
    The only thing I'm embarrassed about is that Microsoft wimped out and gave up. So yeah, people don't comment so much anymore because frankly the phone is showing its age. Compared to a new iPhone or Android a once innovative and forward thinking phone looks like an oldie-but-goodie at best.

    C'mon MS you can do better than this! Stop with the yellow-bellied cowardice already. Give us a Surface phone. If that fails then fine, we can move on. But show some back bone! At least try!
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    06-10-2018 06:27 PM
  5. Stephen Jackson5's Avatar
    The dude at the Best Buy was like... "You have a windows phone????!!!!!! That's awesome!" L640 LTE Running WP8.1 still.
    Last edited by Stephen Jackson5; 06-10-2018 at 06:40 PM. Reason: Grammar correction
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    06-10-2018 06:39 PM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    When someone other than myself starts paying my bills, I will give their opinions some thought. Until then, I will continue using Windows, iOS, Mac OS, Chrome OS and whatever else I feel like using. Don't let um fool ya or even try to school ya.
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    06-10-2018 06:39 PM
  7. Shane Usher's Avatar
    My HP Elite X3 is great, but the progressive feature reduction in the OS over the years has been frustrating. There were great features in WP8 and WP8.1 that are gone. Microsoft has dropped the ball.
    06-10-2018 06:41 PM
  8. MARTY1774's Avatar
    With wonder and a little envy
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    06-10-2018 06:53 PM
  9. ibrahim kabahaliloglu's Avatar
    I start to using lumia 720-925 and now I'm using 930(icon) It's the best smartphone.my friends told me that "let's buy an iphone" I love It's design and os because of that I cant buy another phone. Still I'm waiting for the Surface Phone...
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    06-10-2018 07:30 PM
  10. Billy Kurtz's Avatar
    I get a few different reactions. The 2 most frequent are in very different scenarios.

    950XL

    1st: I use it to pay at Starbucks and very often the cashier will notice and think it is cool looking phone. They often as my purple 💜 color scheme. Personally I don't understand the "Cool looking" thing. Most phones are essentially a rectangular screen. Unless they actually see the home screen how different is it?

    2nd: When I run into WP user we share our joy in having and using the platform and then we compare phones. It still impresses me when I see people holding into a pretty old WP. Now we also commiserate about the day we may have to give in like Mr. Gates did.

    Andromeda, we are watching for you.

    The biggest loss of an app that hit me the hardest happened the second year after I bought my first 928. MLB AtBat came free with my WP that first summer, I bought it the second summer for $9.99 and I was about to listen to my Pirates. Then the next season it was not available to buy.
    06-10-2018 11:05 PM
  11. Drael646464's Avatar
    Oh, actually one person did comment on my phone. They saw the UI, and said "why can't I have that", so I set up a windows phone like launcher on android for them.
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    06-10-2018 11:34 PM
  12. Jcmg62's Avatar
    Person: Oh you have a windows phone! I think I should give that a try.

    me: "you can't buy one, they're pretty much not making anymore"

    Person: What? I just heard about it!
    I still use mine for continuum when at work, but use an android device when I'm out because I've gotten used to the convenience of android pay.

    Hopefully Microsoft will figure out a mobile payment platform with whatever ultra mobile play they roll out this year.
    06-11-2018 12:09 AM
  13. Wolfgang Lindner's Avatar
    What phone is this? A Windows phone? Never heard about.
    06-11-2018 01:33 AM
  14. eddydu's Avatar
    Person: Oh you have a windows phone! I think I should give that a try.

    me: "you can't buy one, they're pretty much not making anymore"

    Person: What? I just heard about it!
    People are actually impressed with the live tiles. When I was using the 1520 people thought it was a tablet which was awesome phone. That was probably my best phone I ever carried
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    06-11-2018 02:19 AM
  15. ADIVARAPU HARIPRASAD's Avatar
    (LOL) I'm one in <1% smartphone population in the world who use Windows Phone (with slight haughtiness)...
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    06-11-2018 02:27 AM
  16. anthonyng's Avatar
    @ReachJasonHere with our luck, you may have sat next to a troll
    Look at the poor guy who said an insider told him something to be announced at build.

    Either way, it doesn't matter anymore at this point. Still using going to keep using my phones until I can't anymore
    06-11-2018 02:42 AM
  17. Scottmond's Avatar
    I have and still use the 950 XL , i been using Windows Phone since my Samsung Focus, when People see my windows phone they always ask questions, "is that NEW, where can I get one" or why are you using a Microsoft thing? Does it make phone calls? Or
    I didn't know Microsoft made phones? where can I get one, or, yes i used to have a Windows phone and i loved it"
    Looking back now, i don't think Microsoft put their Whole heart onto promoting The Windows Phone platform and some missed opportunities over the years.
    The 950 XL is the Best Windows Phone i have ever had, better than the HP Elite X3 which I still have and loved useing that phone as well.
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    06-11-2018 03:37 AM
  18. Serpentbane's Avatar
    Person: Oh you have a windows phone! I think I should give that a try.

    me: "you can't buy one, they're pretty much not making anymore"

    Person: What? I just heard about it!
    Here in Norway it's like, I don't want a iPhone so I'll buy a Samsung.

    Most people have no clue what so ever what OS they have on their phones. When people see my phone I tell them it's a Microsoft Phone and it's running Windows mobile they have no clue wtf I'm talking about.
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    06-11-2018 04:05 AM
  19. Drael646464's Avatar
    I still use mine for continuum when at work, but use an android device when I'm out because I've gotten used to the convenience of android pay.

    Hopefully Microsoft will figure out a mobile payment platform with whatever ultra mobile play they roll out this year.
    I've never really understood the benefit of having paywave on your phone, as opposed to on your debit card. You have to take them both out of your pocket, and you have to carry one of them with you in your pocket. On a smartwatch/fitness band (like fitbit), I could understand - then you could leave your phone and your wallet at home, or if not, you at least wouldn't need to take anything out of your pockets.
    06-11-2018 04:13 AM
  20. Long Xuyen's Avatar
    My 820 is getting close to senility so I went to my telco store to assess replacements.The sales guy had never seen one (sooo young) and then was amazed at the hardware ... "they had wireless charging 5 years ago in a mid level phone? Wow, incredible, and a removable battery too? Why can't you buy one now?". Well, how should I answer him nadella?
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    06-11-2018 04:26 AM
  21. Drael646464's Avatar
    On a 737, awaiting takeoff a month ago, I sat next to a kind gentleman who was also destined for Seattle. About 30 minutes in, I noticed him noticing my Windows Phone as I changed music. He politely inquired: "I see you are using a Windows Phone, why is that?" To which I replied: "Because I'm stupid, or stubborn. I've always used them, this one still works great, I don't care about SnapChat and there's a slim hope for a mythical "Surface Phone" they are supposed to be working on". He then told me he loved his Windows Phone until he lost it on a hike recently.

    It turns out he's a Microsoft engineer that was working on the phone project and over the course of a longer conversation I learned that he's working on the "next thing" as well. I told him everything I've heard about the new device and he stated "sometimes, rumors are not wrong" -citing the fact that he can't confirm anything concrete. I asked him point blank about whether or not I should bite the bullet and by a nice Android device as I'd been contemplating. He told me in no uncertain terms that, as a business user, I would be very disappointed in wasting my money" if I did and that I should wait foe what would be released "very soon". He confirmed he's using "something" in his office every day that he wishes he could take out but that has to be kept under wraps for now. We discussed the way they were porting 32-bit software into Apps and much more.

    Honestly, I thought I had hit the Windows Phone fanboy jackpot. We said our good-byes at the end of the flight and I thanked him for keeping me from wasting my money. So, my 950 XL will have to trudge on a little longer. Surface Phone/Andromeda/Journal/whatever you are called, I await your debut.
    I've personally never had any doubt they wanted to develop a dual screened device. I saw their co-presentation of their co-owned patent for graphene OLED screens (co-owned, co-developed with Samsung) back in the balmer days in 2013. Everyone with an ear to the ground knows that when graphene manufacturing is made cheaper that will bring about a new era of mobile devices (and actually much more besides, the amount of new tech graphene will bring is tantamount to a tech revolution)

    So having known this for a long time, it is obvious that the major players will want to get into dual screen devices early, long before the screen tech itself comes out. Microsoft is uniquely positioned in that it equally serves the enterprise market - a market than would buy a graphene screen product long before consumers can afford it, and also before the ecosystem is fully fleshed out.

    I'm personally in the tablet business. Which is why I stood up and took so much notice when I say that presentation. I've also been closely following all the other studies related to graphene applications - tuneable lasers, massively improved solar panel efficiency , nano-battery and circuitry tech, nano-manufacturing, water filtration, environmental clean-up, hydrogen technology, chemical manufacture and more.

    But suffice to say, I think, like with the HoloLens, Microsoft would be wildly stupid to have endured something like being partially replaced in the rise of the smartphone without investing in being first to platform in the next shifts, and the next shifts are all quite predictable. And it's extremely doubtful to me, that they are that stupid, considering they have the HoloLens and have been planning a hybrid OS for five years, something that apple (hybrid OS) is far to stupid to do (they have officially said they won't merge iOS and OSX), but google is.

    Indeed I think the ones you should probably be watching for deep signs of conservatism and market stupidity right now is apple. The level of forward thinking and market innovation seems to be incredibly stale under current leadership.

    People will say that MSFTs lack of commitment in bailing out on windows mobile was shortsighted - but I disagree. Blackberry nearly bankrupt themselves trying to keep bb10 going, and several seperate OSes has not been the plan since windows 10. They did heavily invest in the balmer days, but it was already too late. And for fans of windows phone 8, and windows 8 - yes it has some touch screen advantages and also some extra stability, but it was also a product the market rejected. There have been some missteps, but despite being a windows 10 mobile user myself, I cannot really fault nadellas reasoning - the market share was poor, the split platform concept is not the vision anyway, and candybar touchscreens will one day become the past anyway. What's important therefor is having an OS that can scale to different input and output, and an ecosystem that can do likewise - something no one has to the degree windows 10 already has, and no one has fully.

    Getting those peices in place, for the next reasonably predictable changes in computing is paramount, and more important than chasing the tail end, of the less profitable tail end of the post-adoption smartphone market. Catching the next wave, is more important that the soon dying breaths of the old one.

    Whilst people complain about all the mistakes and things that have gone wrong, I myself am also amazed by all the providence and things that are going right.

    *Apple refusing the hybridize it's OS, is massive - they clearly had the next best shot at it due to having both a quite scalable mobile OS, and a reasonably established desktop OS. That's something they'll regret later for sure.

    *PWA is a surprise blessing - the vast majority of any mobile OS advantage comes in the form of light apps that could easily be served via PWA over 5G. In fact, the only apps that PWA will not be able to cover is high powered, processive intensive apps and games, the sort of which desktop has a massive advantage in. Which really only leaves drawing them over to UWP as an obstacle. The app gap itself, it appears, will entirely resolve itself as an obstacle. Googles massive backing of PWA is also a blessing here.

    *Google obviously plans a hybrid OS, the leaked fushia. And they likely back PWA as hard as they do, because of that. But in the early days they seemed more behind getting android apps on fushia. It seems more like now they want to do away with the Linux basis, and android and chrome altogether. Which is why they are so all in on PWA - I suspect they intend to dump their app ecosystems entirely, and sever the past with the Linux base. But that also means that the only thing they really carry to cross the threshold between now and then is branding, services. Ie loyalty and familiarity.

    If that android platform is totally burned to the ground, in the transition to hybrid, that provides some market instability Microsoft can capitalize on.

    *Partnerships. Microsoft has done excellent work in doing what an underdog should always do - make freinds with others who want to overthrow the king. Amazon, steam, samsung and many others have been meeting with MSFT and making deals. Amazon seems to be making headway in IoT, servers, and would make excellent partners for MSFTs cloud services. Samsung have long wanted to be free of their dependence on google, to the point of being directly antagonistic to them and I suspect would love to get microsoft's OS in on their future graphene devices. Getting steam onside for the VR/AR future was obviously imperative as well, and hopefully some future arrangement can be created for bringing games to UWP, perhaps at least via their streaming services.

    *the cloud. Many have much maligned msfts moves in azure, and the intelligent edge as "enterprise" and boring business. What people don't understand is that with IoT, and increased network speeds via faster wifi, faster mobile networks, and faster fibre (which will come, the fibre companies assure me), local speed and local power become less of an issue for latency, and the future is clear, distributed computing. That is to say, google and microsofts investment in cloud based services, cloud based computing are absolutely future consumer platforms. The cloud will not just be for storing data. It'll be for running AI, running tasks and processors, connecting your smart devices - it will be the thing that ties computers, collectively together into something truely controlled by AI. MSFT is doing well to capitalize on enterprise cloud investment, and to build out that cloud into an "intelligent edge" because that absolutely is a part of our future.

    Some might see this all as optimism, and perhaps some of it is. I'm a fan after all. But I think in fact this is largely my ability to see beyond the immediate, whats in front of me, the present. Something a lot of people lack the ability to do. Of course, I equally wonder whether tech advancements will last that long, because I see catastrophic problems in the future of the global economy. But not withstanding a new great depression or worse, from where I sit, MSFT has just the right people in charge - people who like me, and unlike apples CEO, can see beyond the present.


    This is also how I like to think, some optimism. Not because I think like a consumer, but because of all the companies that could "win the prize" and essentially become the corporate overloads of our future, given the importance of tech, MSFT is the one I distrust the least.


    For example, were google in charge of my AI doctor, or apple in charge of the 3d printing of my house, I'm pretty sure I would be living in the sort of dystopia current sold to teenagers as fear pr0n.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-11-2018 at 05:04 AM.
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    06-11-2018 04:30 AM
  22. Long Xuyen's Avatar
    My 820 is getting close to senility so I went to my telco store to assess replacements.The sales guy had never seen one (sooo young) and then was amazed at the hardware ... "they had wireless charging 5 years ago in a mid level phone? Wow, incredible, and a removable battery too? Why can't you buy one now?". Well, how should I answer him nadella?
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    06-11-2018 04:40 AM
  23. King Clash's Avatar
    What? All three of you! Just kidding, I loved it once....
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    06-11-2018 05:22 AM
  24. Shayden M's Avatar
    Right now I'm using a Nokia 6.1 really love it. I used to have a Lumia 640,535,520 before my current phone . People always used to ask me why I used a Windows Phone , they're are so complicated , there's so little apps and so on . I didn't really care , I just loved my Nokias , and when they went Windows , I followed. Wouldn't mind a new Windows Phone with update SoC and internals and Nokia branding of course. I still have the 535 and it's still going strong ,will always love Windows Phone ,not gonna lie about that .
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    06-11-2018 06:12 AM
  25. petrozio's Avatar
    Some of the more "tech savy" tend to frown on my using of the Lumia 950. I don't care. As long as the browser can get me to a few mobile sites in which an app doesn't exist, I'm fine. Now everyone else is still to this day pretty amazed at my phone. Would have been nice though if we got 1803 on mobile. The extended PWA support would have been nice to bridge us until Andromedia. <-- Waiting for you!
    06-11-2018 06:44 AM
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