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  1. K Raghu's Avatar
    I am happy, as i can wait a little longer for a better phone now and don't have the itch to but 1020. but for others who don't have Lumia 920 its a good buy don't you think ?

    This is just my opinion but for any of us that already own a 920 (or other variant) I can't see this is as a worth while upgrade. It's literally the same phone with an improved camera. While I was very excited for this phone to come it would have been great to see other improvements along with the camera. I really hope this isn't Nokia's official sucessor to the 920.

    However what I would like to see is this camera tech carried over to a more updated model. Slightly larger screen, better cpu etc.. I know a lot is yet to come with GDR3 but I feel they should've just teased everyone officially today and held on to the EOS to include in a few higher end models with newer specs.
    07-12-2013 08:37 AM
  2. maj71303's Avatar
    The q&a at the event is what got me...the reporters were on point thats for sure. I will watch the first few weeks to see if they can get away with selling this 925 with an upgraded camera for $299. They could describe no other features but the camera and same things already on other 92X variants. No mild processor bump, no mild screen size bump, I don't care if it is 1080p. But you telling me they couldn't put a Snap 400 in there or even a snap 200. Or a S4 pro with a 305 or better adreno than the 225 they been using. The 1020 in my opinion is a stopgap that is going to blow up in there face unless they already no they won't be selling a lot. And the real flag ship comes out in the fall to winter this year. My guess the real flag ship is later this year and this is indeed a stopgap.
    07-12-2013 08:54 AM
  3. maverick786us's Avatar
    As we previously heard, GDR3 will bring quad core support, 1080p resolution, and hopefully usher in an ere of larger screen sizes (a phablet at Nokia world is looking quite promising right about now).
    Apparently the delay of WP Blue has lead to some features that were initially set to some out in the Blue update to be added to GDR3.
    So basically once again Nokia have made a killer device, and Microsoft have killed it with their incompetence and slow updates, thank you. Really.
    07-12-2013 09:00 AM
  4. techknight's Avatar
    Worthy upgrade? I don't believe its supposed to be. Its literally the best of the 808 combined with the current 92x platform. Its what many of the mobile photography centric users - like me - have been clamoring and waiting for since the 808 was announced. Finally, a world class smartphone camera on a platform that is modern and capable.
    07-12-2013 10:05 AM
  5. fatrat727's Avatar
    If they wanted to sell a lot they would have released it on VZW instead. The 822 did start outselling the 920 when it came out. And the 928 is the highest rated phone on VZW currently. Nice camera but for what's built in all you are paying for is a expensive camera. The 928 is $99. same specs cross board except for the camera and maybe the os version. now if they would've added night vision now that would be a key selling point lol. $199 seem more ideal. I give it two weeks and we will see the $100 price cut. at $199 now your competing with the S4. $299 sounds like an over estimate because its not competing with any device with that price. even camera lovers would overlook it only because of the price. $299 and its a windows phone? A S4 would be easier to sell. Plus how many att reps will actually demo the camera?? if they do more than likely next to a Iphone 5 or S4 you wouldn't see a difference because the screens on those devices will easily make up for it. Unless they get creative and prove the 1020 has the better camera which they won't then they stand a chance of selling. $199 is the key price for flagships. I mean 16gb iphones sales way more than a 32gb any day of the week. I love my 928 and windows phone os but the price and the fact its on the 2nd best carrier not the first doesn't mix well to me. Price cut wait for it then watch them fly.
    07-12-2013 01:35 PM
  6. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Worthy upgrade? I don't believe its supposed to be. Its literally the best of the 808 combined with the current 92x platform. Its what many of the mobile photography centric users - like me - have been clamoring and waiting for since the 808 was announced. Finally, a world class smartphone camera on a platform that is modern and capable.
    it's not even near 808 since they put a smaller sensor(together with unwelcome BSI tech), 808 actually has 56% bigger sensor area, that's more than 1020 has over ancient N8...
    07-12-2013 01:42 PM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    Personally, looks like Sony now has the upper hand if and when it decides to release the Sony Honami. Not only does it run android,
    Been said many times, android NEEDS those super specs, WP doesnt. From the review: Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom review: a messy marriage of smartphone and camera. Quotes: "During regular use, the device felt incredibly sluggish". Yet a Lumia 520 with just a 1.0 GHz dual core CPU and 512MB RAM is practically as smooth as a 920. Just as a 920 is as smooth as an S4 or any other nuclear power plant-packing droid device. So why is this not a worthy upgrade again?
    07-12-2013 01:51 PM
  8. ScreenSaver24's Avatar
    Been said many times, android NEEDS those super specs, WP doesnt. From the review: Samsung Galaxy S4 Zoom review: a messy marriage of smartphone and camera. Quotes: "During regular use, the device felt incredibly sluggish". Yet a Lumia 520 with just a 1.0 GHz dual core CPU and 512MB RAM is practically as smooth as a 920. Just as a 920 is as smooth as an S4 or any other nuclear power plant-packing droid device. So why is this not a worthy upgrade again?
    If i am going to pay $300 for a phone, i want the latest of everything, period. I can buy Galaxy S4 that will practically wipe my *** for me for under $200 bucks.
    07-12-2013 02:42 PM
  9. techknight's Avatar
    it's not even near 808 since they put a smaller sensor(together with unwelcome BSI tech), 808 actually has 56% bigger sensor area, that's more than 1020 has over ancient N8...
    Right, because the size of the sensor is all that matters in camera systems.... /sarcasm
    07-12-2013 03:20 PM
  10. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    by numbering you can see this is a new series. As for the worthy or not to upgrade, you are kinda like looking at S4 compare to the coming Note3.
    No, not the same, in my opinion. The S III came out when the MSM8960 SoC was the brand-new thing. The Note II came out while it was still the newest thing in-use. The 920 came AFTER that, when the MSM8960 was near the end of its life. Now, the 1020 is coming out after the MSM8960 has been turned into the al-so ran chip for mid-range phone, while the Snapdragon 600 is powering the latest and greatest. The Note II was using the parts that were top-tier at the time. The 1020 isn't doing that, except for with the camera.
    07-12-2013 03:21 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    All these Nokia model numbers have me thinking, why no 420 model? ;-)
    07-12-2013 03:33 PM
  12. holtie43's Avatar
    Hmm even if this phone isn't really the next gen Lumia flagship but rather just a photo-centric update, i wouldn't expect to see Nokia announce any phone later this year with even remotely similar camera chops. in fact it would be crazy of them to try, it would essentially undercut any potential sales this device would get and make all the money gone into design and development of the 1020 a complete waste. I actually think that Nokia will release a tablet later on in the year, and that this new Lumia, flagship or no, will be sticking around for a while. That's not a bad thing, it sounds like they are going to do a better job at marketing it this time around, so hopefully it will bring new customers into the windows phone ecosystem and increase incentive for developers to make apps for us.
    as an aside, i am currently using a Lumia 920 and i am sorely tempted to buy this when it becomes available in Australia.
    07-12-2013 03:53 PM
  13. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    I can buy Galaxy S4 that will practically wipe my *** for me for under $200 bucks.
    No additional comment needed.
    07-12-2013 03:53 PM
  14. zack251's Avatar
    No, Im waiting for a 820 successor. Ability to add memory card and change battery is more important to me. But I guess the 1020 is great for those who love to take good pictures.
    07-12-2013 06:24 PM
  15. zack251's Avatar
    All these Nokia model numbers have me thinking, why no 420 model? ;-)
    The Chinese people associate 4 with bad luck. Nokia never releases a 4 as its model.
    07-12-2013 06:49 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The Chinese people associate 4 with bad luck. Nokia never releases a 4 as its model.
    The Jamaican people associate 420 as getting closer to Jah. Obviously you didn't "get" my post.
    07-12-2013 08:48 PM
  17. Huime's Avatar
    No, not the same, in my opinion. The S III came out when the MSM8960 SoC was the brand-new thing. The Note II came out while it was still the newest thing in-use. The 920 came AFTER that, when the MSM8960 was near the end of its life. Now, the 1020 is coming out after the MSM8960 has been turned into the al-so ran chip for mid-range phone, while the Snapdragon 600 is powering the latest and greatest. The Note II was using the parts that were top-tier at the time. The 1020 isn't doing that, except for with the camera.
    I said Note3 vs S4 tho' .
    07-13-2013 04:53 AM
  18. LMZR's Avatar
    The Chinese people associate 4 with bad luck. Nokia never releases a 4 as its model.
    Was the iPhone 4/4s a fail in China?
    07-13-2013 04:53 AM
  19. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Right, because the size of the sensor is all that matters in camera systems.... /sarcasm
    it's not all but it's the most important factor, and it's not only size of the sensor but its type, FSI sensors are much better than BSI, the only advantage of BSI sensors is that they can pack more pixels into the same size, there is a very good reason no (semi)pro DSLR has BSI...

    just look at this example from 808, 1020 will never be able to come close let alone match this quality

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2343DrX30k.jpg

    oh and I forgot that screen contrast on 1020 is awful, 2.1 vs 4.6 on 808 which means no visibility under sunlight...


    but after all 1020 is a very good upgrade for 920 owners because the camera is still a lot better than 920 and they get another 1GB of RAM, I know that price is steep but who has the money and is used to WP it's a simple decision..however I thought Nokia will put the same Toshiba HES9 sensor in 1020 and pull me(and meny other 808 owners) on WP side..they failed there, badly
    07-13-2013 07:47 AM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    it's not all but it's the most important factor, and it's not only size of the sensor but its type, FSI sensors are much better than BSI, the only advantage of BSI sensors is that they can pack more pixels into the same size, there is a very good reason no (semi)pro DSLR has BSI...

    just look at this example from 808, 1020 will never be able to come close let alone match this quality

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2343DrX30k.jpg

    oh and I forgot that screen contrast on 1020 is awful, 2.1 vs 4.6 on 808 which means no visibility under sunlight...


    but after all 1020 is a very good upgrade for 920 owners because the camera is still a lot better than 920 and they get another 1GB of RAM, I know that price is steep but who has the money and is used to WP it's a simple decision..however I thought Nokia will put the same Toshiba HES9 sensor in 1020 and pull me(and meny other 808 owners) on WP side..they failed there, badly
    You do know that its a completely redesigned sensor they are using in the 1020, right? Because all you seem to see is the size and the fact that its not the exact same sensor as in the 808 and claim its a negative with no proof (which can only come from a direct comparison). I mean, could it be possible that they 'gasp' improved the design while making a completely different sensor for the 1020 along with improved software algorithms and in the process also made it smaller? I'm sure its impossible to improve on it but personally I think if anyone would be able to its Nokia and I think they know more about this than the average forum poster.
    07-13-2013 08:57 AM
  21. JustToClarify's Avatar
    umm yeah they sure know much more than me but I'm quite certain they can't beat the physics, you don't have to be rocket scientist to conclude that
    07-13-2013 09:20 AM
  22. gxsaurav's Avatar
    Not a worthwhile upgrade for anyone who already has a Nokia Lumia 920. For newcomers, if thy can pay then go for it. Else, get a Lumia 925.

    Lumia 925 is what Lumia 920 should have been. I own a 3 month old Lumia 920 and thinking of selling it to get Lumia 925 just due to reduced weight and gray color body's looks. That phone looks classy.
    07-13-2013 09:50 AM
  23. Huime's Avatar
    it's not all but it's the most important factor, and it's not only size of the sensor but its type, FSI sensors are much better than BSI, the only advantage of BSI sensors is that they can pack more pixels into the same size, there is a very good reason no (semi)pro DSLR has BSI...

    just look at this example from 808, 1020 will never be able to come close let alone match this quality

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2343DrX30k.jpg

    oh and I forgot that screen contrast on 1020 is awful, 2.1 vs 4.6 on 808 which means no visibility under sunlight...


    but after all 1020 is a very good upgrade for 920 owners because the camera is still a lot better than 920 and they get another 1GB of RAM, I know that price is steep but who has the money and is used to WP it's a simple decision..however I thought Nokia will put the same Toshiba HES9 sensor in 1020 and pull me(and meny other 808 owners) on WP side..they failed there, badly
    How did you get that contrast ratio anyways?

    never mind found them
    07-13-2013 10:00 AM
  24. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    it's not all but it's the most important factor, and it's not only size of the sensor but its type, FSI sensors are much better than BSI, the only advantage of BSI sensors is that they can pack more pixels into the same size
    You have actually no idea what you are talking about and should just stop posting "information". BSI is superior to FSI because the wiring is behind the photocathode layer, allowing more light onto the sensor, hence better low-light performance. Everyone knows that and it's common knowledge. It's one of the reasons why the 808 didn't do as well in low-light.

    When it comes to camera phones and point-n-shoots, BSI is always the preferred (albeit more expensive) solution. With DSLR, it's less important because the sensor is already massive (by comparison) and you can use low f-stop lens (F/1.2, f/1.4, etc) to compensate. Mobiles and PNS don't have that luxury, hence why BSI is such a big deal. It's also super expensive to make a BSI DSLR-sized sensor.

    FSI makes no sense from an engineering perspective. It's just cheaper.

    For the lazy: Back-illuminated sensor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sony Global - Technology - "Exmor R"
    FAQ: What

    "there is a very good reason no (semi)pro DSLR has BSI.."

    Dude, just stop...you're killing me
    07-13-2013 12:09 PM
  25. Amran Nagal's Avatar
    I am going to be updating from a lumia 710 so its going to be worth it for me LOL.
    07-13-2013 12:18 PM
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