07-21-2013 01:17 PM
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  1. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Cod3rror, you should wait for side by side camera comparisons instead of going off sample photos.
    As JustToClarify just clarified, there is no reason to wait, 808's samples were immediately super impressive, 1020's are not. The comparison reviews will be fun though, when 808 crashes 1020.
    07-15-2013 08:21 PM
  2. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    I agree, 1020 turned out to be a big disappointment. It looked so good on paper, 41MP, OIS, BSI, 6 lenses, etc... I would've seriously considered it, despite Windows Phone 8, but reality turned out that 808 blasts it in quality. I was disappointed when I found out it had a smaller sensor and knew it would not live up to the hype.

    Ever since Nokia switched to WP, their camera quality has been garbage. Just very unpleasant images, grainy, noisy, very rough textured, strange fuzzy edges, colours all over the place, over-processing. It's like they forgot everything. The algorithms they had on Symbian were much, much more impressive.

    Show me a single 1020 sample that looks like this...

    http://storage0.dms.go4it.ro/media/2...df901b57b6.jpg

    The above image is a 808 sample from when it was announced, look how smooth and soft that image looks, very detailed, yet completely smooth with no grain, no noise.

    Here's another, lower light, yet the same perfectly smooth, noise free image quality.

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2047vwIh1r.jpg

    More,

    http://cdn.gottabemobile.com/wp-cont...5.jpg?dur=1007

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...0749j0PV2J.jpg

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...1703rv1Gl2.jpg




    I don't know what Nokia was thinking with 1020. Here's a 5MP sample...

    http://www.nokiapoweruser.com/wp-con...020-pro-17.jpg

    It looks totally average, with artifacts, noise, grain and overall very artificial compared to 808. The beauty of 808 was that at 5MP, you could go 100% zoom and the image looked incredibly smooth. 1020's 5MP is like any other phone's.

    Here's an image of New York from 1020,
    All sizes | Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

    That's sweet... now look at 808's Dubai,
    http://static.panoramio.com/photos/o...l/81189830.jpg

    At 100% zoom it looks much nicer and more pleasant and less processed than 1020.



    Bottomline, 808 is better, much better, 1020 is just an improved 920, in 1020's case, 41MP IS a gimmick. And since Nokia is asking so much for 1020, it's absolutely not worth it. It would've gladly taken a few more mm of thickness but 808 sized sensor, maybe even bigger.
    Scaremongering much haha?

    Joke aside - with Lumia 1020 there is nothing yet more than prototype sample - until the retail device ships this is all speculation. Nokia 808 is great in hands of people who knows what they're doing, steady hands, good lighting technique, etc. And of course, the 808 could look better - the people had a year to take those photos - in optimum setting. But 808 is a niche product. Maybe Nokia's bet of putting in OIS will pay off for the masses. I could bet that OIS makes 41MP more useable for more people - but I could very well be wrong. The wait until 26th July seems too long.
    07-15-2013 08:38 PM
  3. vlad0's Avatar
    If you are using anything but an 808, its worth the upgrade for sure..

    If you are content with Symbian, such as myself, and you are already using an 808... I really don't see a good enough reason to upgrade. The video recording and the faster shooter speeds have my attention, and I really want to test them, but.. I am not sure if its enough to sign a new contract or spend 600 bukcs on a new toy.
    Michael Spencer likes this.
    07-15-2013 08:59 PM
  4. JustToClarify's Avatar
    I could bet that OIS makes 41MP more useable for more people - but I could very well be wrong.
    you are not wrong, auto mode shooters will find 1020 better device

    but I think that Nokia underestimates the number of camera enthusiasts that would rather have 808-like sensor and optics in their phone...I might be wrong though, and with the proper marketing(which 808 had not at all) you can sell a **** today
    Juanma Herrera likes this.
    07-16-2013 03:40 AM
  5. goldenpipes's Avatar
    I know what you mean I have 2 upgrades on my account and I was just going to get 2 L920's one for me one for the wife, but then i was like hmm these 1020's are sweet.

    Lack of SD card irks me to no end.

    If i could only get a L925 on AT&T... That OLED and ClearBlack.... I dont really like the screen on the L920... Blacks are kinda gray IMO... I guess i am just used to Samsung Focus and Focus S screens.... AMOLED!

    /rant
    07-16-2013 09:11 PM
  6. exsanguine's Avatar
    I think you have all missed the point of the 1020.

    It is not meant for us Nokia die-hards. It is meant to lure away more ImaDrone users.
    I see the 1020 as a lateral release to the 92x series. The more reasons you give Imadrone users to move away from their current devices the better chance you have of snagging them for good once they realize how crappy ios and droid are. Then they realize just how superior Nokia phones are regardless of OS.
    07-17-2013 07:07 AM
  7. Huime's Avatar
    I think you have all missed the point of the 1020.

    It is not meant for us Nokia die-hards. It is meant to lure away more ImaDrone users.
    I see the 1020 as a lateral release to the 92x series. The more reasons you give Imadrone users to move away from their current devices the better chance you have of snagging them for good once they realize how crappy ios and droid are. Then they realize just how superior Nokia phones are regardless of OS.
    Their strategy had been pretty clear. 9series as the flagship will receive 2 facelift. And 10series will be the current 9mo old soon to be retired flagship + beastly camera. It is also possible that based on the 9series spec, 10series will be expended with special models like phablet and such.
    07-17-2013 07:25 AM
  8. techknight's Avatar
    The point is not which device has better image quality. Both the 808 and 1020 are miles better than any other smartphone in that area. Regardless of sensor size or BSI, the 1020 is going to be a damn good camera. The real point is you now have a device that incorporates the best of the "Pureview" tech, stage 1 and stage 2, in one sensor. On a platform, WP8, that delivers a modern smartphone experience with a promising future. Its the total package. The debate on the 808 vs 1020 image quality will be slugged out all over the internet soon enough.
    theefman, Residing, ZkT and 1 others like this.
    07-17-2013 09:33 AM
  9. JustToClarify's Avatar
    it is going to be a damn good camera after a couple of updates, but not now

    PureView Stage 1 doesn't mean only huge resolution sensor, it also means properly implemented oversampling, which is not the case for 1020(yet)

    the Nokia management ordered their engineers to put 41 MP camera in a 10 mm thick body whatever the compromise, and compromises often don't yield quality
    07-17-2013 10:02 AM
  10. techknight's Avatar
    it is going to be a damn good camera after a couple of updates, but not now

    PureView Stage 1 doesn't mean only huge resolution sensor, it also means properly implemented oversampling, which is not the case for 1020(yet)

    the Nokia management ordered their engineers to put 41 MP camera in a 10 mm thick body whatever the compromise, and compromises often don't yield quality
    Seriously? No offense, but you're again way off base here. The algorithms have been completely re-worked and are superior to the Stage 1. Both Juha Alakarhu and Kristina Bjorknas, the two primary designers, have stated this many times.

    7-17-2013-8-35-57-am.png

    Maybe you should read the white paper: http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/27238...whitepaper.pdf
    Residing, theefman and ZkT like this.
    07-17-2013 10:38 AM
  11. JustToClarify's Avatar
    heh you should take into account that they are trying to sell their product...of course algorithms are reworked, since 1020 doesn't have the mighty Broadcom DSP to lean on...

    get one full res picture from 1020 and than just resize it on your PC to 5 MP and compare it with the oversampled one from 1020

    then do the same with 808
    07-17-2013 10:51 AM
  12. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Here are the samples from the retail 1020, and as expected they look terrible, in fact, I'm surprised, they actually look horrible.

    Look what showed up at work this morning! : windowsphone
    07-17-2013 12:56 PM
  13. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Here are the samples from the retail 1020, and as expected they look terrible, in fact, I'm surprised, they actually look horrible.

    Look what showed up at work this morning! : windowsphone
    Granted..they look pretty noisy when zoomed in..but also look at the file size. ~8MB for a 33Mpix file (taking the first picture of the mailbox as an example) sure seems like a jpeg overcompression issue more than a sensor issue to me. I would expect a "fine quality" output of that Mpix level to be around 30MB if looking at apples-to-apples of what DSLR's give you...which would be what you'd want where IQ was something you cared about beyond a snapshot destined for facebook. So either flicker has down-sampled the photo or the default auto-shoot jpeg settings are set to be way too lossy...in either case it's not indicative of the quality of the camera itself.
    07-17-2013 01:18 PM
  14. maj71303's Avatar
    All this talk about the cameras is good, the phone itself registers as a lateral or side upgrade. I can't see myself buying this since it's a 920 with a better camera. The 2GB ram is just to help the camera process photo shots IMO. $299.99 upgrade or $659.99 outright for a lateral upgrade just isn't going to happen in my book. MS is a disappointment because of their slow nature to upgrade WP8 so that it can run on better hardware. You telling me that they can't get it together to even code for a higher version of the S4 they are using. Not even a S4 plus or S4 pro.....same processor family as they use now. I'm not asking for a leap to the Snap 200, 400, 600, 800 family trees just a leap in the family you use now. MS needs more than just a reorganization, they look incompetent Mobile wise in their decisions.

    I see clearly why some of the OEM's are hesitant to offer anything WP8 they can't even throw them a bone and updates take too much time. How can I keep recommending WP8 to people when it is clear the mobile division is like last on the list of priorities to MS. I know, I know the OS doesn't need high specs but is the higher S4 processors higher spec.....really. The higher spec hardware offers a great deal more than just performance but power saving features and efficiency as well. If they want to offer more advanced OS features they are going to need the better hardware as well. Sorry but people are looking at specs more now as longevity of using the phone.

    I'm not raining on the guys that like the 1020 but really this is a lateral move and not an upgrade. Add some eye popping features and make it slim, but internals are dawn near identical to the last couple releases. Who does that remind you of?
    07-18-2013 09:29 AM
  15. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Pretty much all Lumia cameras exhibit the same traits. Grain, noise, over-pressing, oil-painting.

    http://i.picpar.com/cks.jpg
    07-18-2013 11:27 AM
  16. shadyghost's Avatar
    I love how the last pic in this link is obviously the super zoomed in version of New York City and thus completely an unfair representation of the point that is trying to be made. If you take the spectacular pic from the 808 of Dubai floating around here at the same zoom level it looks the same, granted probably a bit better but still come on.
    07-18-2013 11:43 AM
  17. Jaripi's Avatar
    Pretty much all Lumia cameras exhibit the same traits. Grain, noise, over-pressing, oil-painting.

    http://i.picpar.com/cks.jpg
    Nice one :) - I wish to have my own Lumia 1020 soon, to enjoy about the such great photos and videos. I am impatient to have it ... :)
    07-18-2013 11:48 AM
  18. warrentaye's Avatar
    Pretty much all Lumia cameras exhibit the same traits. Grain, noise, over-pressing, oil-painting.

    http://i.picpar.com/cks.jpg
    Awesome, every picture taken with a Nokia is basically a work of art? Sold!
    07-18-2013 12:41 PM
  19. nano321's Avatar
    Stop you Samsung paid troll. You get your salary by trolling against every new Nokia product. Your master is scared and that's why you are working overtime in forums. Guys, this troll does the same thing in every blog including MNB, WPC and other. Don't get misguided.

    Lumia 1020 has less noise than 808 pureview for full 34 MP res samples and has better dynamic range. Video capture and low-light imaging is much superior with Lumia 1020. Even GSMArena says that it is untouchable by any other phone,

    GSMArena: Only 808 comes close to Lumia 1020′s resolved details. Video capture also beyond capability of any other phone.

    Comparison between 200% & 300% crops of Lumia 1020 and 808 full-resolution (34 MP) images. Lumia 1020 sems to capture less noise.
    07-21-2013 01:05 PM
  20. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 has less noise than 808 pureview for full 34 MP res samples and has better dynamic range. Video capture and low-light imaging is much superior with Lumia 1020. Even GSMArena says that it is untouchable by any other phone
    really? Where is comparison?
    07-21-2013 01:17 PM
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