07-26-2013 09:19 AM
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  1. DalekSnare's Avatar
    PenTile is a pretty major flaw to not even mention. I know many people don't really notice it, but many of us do. I fell pretty let down to have been excited about this device all week, only to have a couple sites finally mention that the display is PenTile. I use a GS3 and GNex at work and cannot not see the horrible checkerboard effect even at 720p, so I guess I'm getting the 920 after all. What a disappointment; the 1020's camera looks really amazing. Maybe everyone was supposed to know that AMOLED tech hasn't improved in the past year? The L900 was RGB stripe AMOLED, so I had hoped they could make good AMOLED screens at 768p by now. Oh well.

    Here's where I learned about it:

    Nokia Lumia 1020 Photo Gallery
    wpn00b likes this.
    07-12-2013 07:09 PM
  2. psiu_glen's Avatar
    I have the 928, I was worried about Pentile having seen some of the early Android Pentile devices. I find the resolution to be high enough that it hasn't been a concern for me (and my vision is getting worse :P ).
    07-12-2013 07:17 PM
  3. JustToClarify's Avatar
    not only it's pentile, its contrast is way too bad for a cameraphone...
    07-12-2013 07:28 PM
  4. phreaknes's Avatar
    The Nokia Lumia 1020 is AMOLED

    Device Details -- Nokia Lumia 1020
    07-12-2013 07:56 PM
  5. vlad0's Avatar
    not only it's pentile, its contrast is way too bad for a cameraphone...
    What is it ? I was going to wait for GSMarena to measure it up.. the 808 is still on top of their list, and from experience with many cameraphones, that is probably
    the most important aspect of the screen.
    07-12-2013 10:44 PM
  6. DalekSnare's Avatar
    The Nokia Lumia 1020 is AMOLED

    Device Details -- Nokia Lumia 1020
    So is my Lumia 900, which is not PenTile. They are not synonymous, except when they use AMOLED on a resolution it isn't really ready to handle yet.
    07-12-2013 11:49 PM
  7. JustToClarify's Avatar
    What is it ? I was going to wait for GSMarena to measure it up.. the 808 is still on top of their list, and from experience with many cameraphones, that is probably
    the most important aspect of the screen.
    they have done it already

    Nokia Lumia 1020 preview: Take two - GSMArena.com

    and yes, it's a lot more important than screen resolution
    07-13-2013 06:41 AM
  8. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Really should have stuck with a LCD. An excellent LCD will always beat a half-baked AMOLED.
    mrdeeds_72 and LastBattle like this.
    07-13-2013 11:37 AM
  9. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    not only it's pentile, its contrast is way too bad for a cameraphone...
    As someone who has actually handled the device, I have to completely disagree. The screen is gorgeous on the 1020 and an improvement over the 920.

    Seriously, unless you've seen this phone in person, you should hold back any criticisms over certain aspects of it. It's easy to dismiss pentile AMOLED in a forum, but quite different when you have the phone in your hands and use it for awhile.

    (Also, Samsung tends to reserve their non-Pentile AMOLED displays for themselves).
    07-13-2013 11:45 AM
  10. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Daniel have you used it on a sunny day? Unless GSMArena has got a faulty device numbers prove otherwise, sorry. 1020 has the same contrast like other "usual" smartphones and I very well know what is the difference between them and 808. There are literally situations where you have to put second hand over those phones to read something while you can use 808 normally, if you still have access to 1020 try to find some 808 and compare for yourself.
    07-13-2013 11:54 AM
  11. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Daniel have you used it on a sunny day? Unless GSMArena has got a faulty device numbers prove otherwise, sorry. 1020 has the same contrast like other "usual" smartphones and I very well know what is the difference between them and 808. There are literally situations where you have to put second hand over those phones to read something while you can use 808 normally, if you still have access to 1020 try to find some 808 and compare for yourself.
    I use a Lumia 928, with pentile AMOLED and prefer it over the 920 LCD, including for outdoor performance.

    Between the ClearBlack polarizer, sunlight readability mode and the new bonding process (thinner glass/layers), these new AMOLED screens are really nice. I have the ATIV S, which has a non-pentile AMOLED and it's also great to use, but I prefer ClearBlack + pentile AMOLED over it.

    Ultimately for some, AMOLED is "too much" contrast and it's a preference thing. But the reason Nokia is using it is because it's thinner than LCD.

    Throw in Nokia's display color profile feature and you can even tune your display to how you want for saturation, etc.

    My one complaint about AMOLED is it can be too bright sometimes. The 920's LCD works well in a movie theater where the 928s AMOLED is often still too bright in the dark, imo.
    joepan likes this.
    07-13-2013 12:26 PM
  12. JustToClarify's Avatar
    umh, that is OK but 920/928 screens have nothing to do with 808 which has more than twice bigger contrast than those(together with 1020) and that's what really matters for cameraphones meant to be used under very sunny conditions
    07-13-2013 12:46 PM
  13. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Where does anyone think contrast is lacking on AMOLED displays, anyway? It is one of the key advantages to the technology, made possible since blacks are actually black. The display on this 928 is amazing, and it is also evident Nokia put some work tuning the display for color accuracy as well.

    edit: and the sunlight readability is fine. I have used this thing outdoors in high noon sunlight, surrounded by light surfaces, and no problems reading it.
    07-13-2013 07:24 PM
  14. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    umh, that is OK but 920/928 screens have nothing to do with 808 which has more than twice bigger contrast than those(together with 1020) and that's what really matters for cameraphones meant to be used under very sunny conditions
    808 is an anomaly!

    R&D people gone mad.
    07-13-2013 07:39 PM
  15. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    umh, that is OK but 920/928 screens have nothing to do with 808 which has more than twice bigger contrast than those(together with 1020) and that's what really matters for cameraphones meant to be used under very sunny conditions
    Once again, you're making comments about what is on paper vs actually using it. As a hobbyist photographer, I had no complaints with the 1020 and seeing in sunlight. Granted, we'll know more when review units go out but honestly, the screen on the 1020 is quite nice and I don't have any initial reservations.
    Michael Spencer likes this.
    07-13-2013 07:40 PM
  16. JustToClarify's Avatar
    OK I'll believe you for now but I will still wait to try 1020 and compare it with 808 to form the final opinion.
    07-13-2013 08:00 PM
  17. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    They say the higher the resolution - the power it takes to sustain same brightness. But 808 is off the chart.

    07-13-2013 08:09 PM
  18. JustToClarify's Avatar
    who knows, maybe they got a faulty device after all
    07-13-2013 08:11 PM
  19. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    I hope the lumia 1080 or whatever nokia's next phone will be, will have a ips display.
    07-14-2013 04:00 AM
  20. WP8Expert's Avatar
    I hope the lumia 1080 or whatever nokia's next phone will be, will have a ips display.
    Personally, I would go for a AMOLED over an IPS. Before you guys start yapping about AMOLED, Non-PenTile AMOLED is used by Samsung only. Ever noticed that a very high majority of HD AMOLED screens use PenTile? Thats because PenTile is better for higher resolution screens. AMOLED is energy-saving, and produces better contrast and very deep blacks. I use a Lumia 920 and when I'm outdoors, the colors get really really bad, which I believe is a Nokia issue, (try turning brightness to automatic and go out in direct sunlight). IPS LCDs, however better with colors, cannot produce deeper dark colors. Which is why after using my HTC 8X, I sold it for an ATIV S. I prefer AMOLED. For the 1020, a low-energy display would be much better for a 41MP shooter and it is alot slimmer, without a backlight; it slims down the phone, providing more space for components.
    07-14-2013 04:36 AM
  21. DalekSnare's Avatar
    I don't think PenTile bothers most people (look how popular the GS3 was), but it bugs some of us. Maybe we hold our phones closer to our eyes or have better glasses or are just more finicky, who knows. I even drove to a Verizon store to see what the 928's screen looked like. My brother thought it looked great, but to me it looked like the screen was checkered (same as on the GS3 and Galaxy Nexus devices that I have at work).

    As for LCD vs. AMOLED, I'd prefer AMOLED except for the PenTile thing. I love the RGB AMOLED in my Lumia 900 except for the resolution.
    07-14-2013 07:47 PM
  22. algs26's Avatar
    I think the Samsung Galaxy S 2 was the only ~4-5" Galaxy S phone with RGB stripe. And it wasn't exactly HD (480). Are there any 4-5" phones 720p or higher that are non-pentile AMOLED?
    07-15-2013 10:12 AM
  23. shadyghost's Avatar
    "Samsung's Philip Berne explained to me that the blue subpixels on AMOLED displays actually degrade the fastest - quicker than the red or green subpixels. With a PenTile layout, the subpixels are arranged RGBG (red, green, blue, green), so they feature more green subpixels and fewer red or blue subpixels than an RGB stripe layout with the same resolution. Because of this, AMOLED displays that have the PenTile layout tend to have a longer lifespan than those with RGB layouts. Since Samsung is selling its phones to users that usually keep them for 18 months or longer, it has to be sure that the display will still offer peak performance at that time. According to the company, PenTile AMOLED displays have proven to be more reliable than those with RGB layouts.


    Those that have issues with the PenTile arrangement usually complain that the screen does not look as crisp as an RGB display or that there is odd color fringing along the edges of images, such as app icons. While Berne did agree that the PenTile arrangement's faults are pronounced at lower resolutions, such as qHD(INFO) or WVGA(INFO), high-resolution displays hide the problems due to the sheer density of pixels. The Galaxy S III and the Galaxy Note, for example, both feature high-resolution Super AMOLED displays with PenTile subpixel arrangements (the Galaxy S III has a 1280 x 720 pixel screen, while the Note has a 1280 x 800 [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]pixel [COLOR=blue !important]display[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]). Under a microscope, one can see the pixel layout on these displays, but in real-world use, it is not visible to the vast majority of users. To that point, the Galaxy S II, which had a lower-resolution WVGA(INFO) (800 x 480 pixel) display, featured an RGB layout for its subpixels"


    Read more at Samsung: PenTile AMOLED displays last longer, that's why we use them
    07-17-2013 01:43 PM
  24. shadyghost's Avatar
    I'm actually relieved it's PenTile. Here is a link that explains the tech in depth. Technology ? What Does It Do?
    07-17-2013 01:56 PM
  25. shadyghost's Avatar
    Also, I can say that screen burn in with my Lumia 900 was apparent after only 6 months of use. I remember walking into ATT stores 6 months after the 920 was released and the screen burn in was so bad on the display phones you couldn't even use the phone anymore.
    07-17-2013 01:59 PM
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