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  1. Technoloay's Avatar
    What would you choose to buy if you are into photography as a hobby?! And why?
    07-13-2013 02:45 PM
  2. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    1020 you'll always have on you - it's the future.
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    07-13-2013 02:51 PM
  3. crash1989's Avatar
    I personally would wait until all the reviews and comparisons are done. Then make a choice as to what is the best option.
    Last edited by crash1989; 07-13-2013 at 09:57 PM.
    07-13-2013 02:52 PM
  4. sdc1's Avatar
    Are people really expecting a camera phone, regardless of MP count, to be a replacement for a dslr? Really?
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    07-13-2013 03:14 PM
  5. aaa6112's Avatar
    Are people really expecting a camera phone, regardless of MP count, to be a replacement for a dslr? Really?
    Exactly. If you're into photography, get a DSLR. if you're into taking nice pictures and sharing them via social networks where resolution is mediocre, get the 1020. But that's just my personal opinion. :)
    07-13-2013 03:19 PM
  6. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    1020 is a very versatile package. It's difficult to pin point exactly where it fits due to the specificness of its design. What it certainly may do, is reduces the appeals of prosumer cameras like the Canon S110 - while 1020 won't replace DSLR & lens in the studio - it serves to capture high quality image for the masses in a very unique way - in that sense it's difficult/expensive to match.

    To match 1020's lossless constant aperture zoom capability on DSLR (3x F2.2 lens) - you're looking at something like the Canon L 24-70 F2.8 (slower, unstabilised, discontinued) for about 700 off eBay; or 1795.00 for the mark 2. That's not even including the camera body, nor the flash. (bulk, having to charge, etc) To match it's audio - you need a decent external stereo mic - which you most likely won't have always on you, etc. No brainer really.

    That said - if you plan to go around looking like a tourist - it's not a bad call to spend around 400 gets you a decent 600D kit, throw in a 76 50mm prime - that's all the gear you'd need - but then you'd need to carry around a phone too.

    If you're that into photography - chances are you've got gears and are looking into 1020 as a backup. If you haven't got gears yet - then it saves you the investment of the bulk of lens, flashes, bodys, systems. If it turns out you're really into photography - 1020 might open your eyes for a DSLR down the road.
    07-13-2013 03:42 PM
  7. Technoloay's Avatar
    Are people really expecting a camera phone, regardless of MP count, to be a replacement for a dslr? Really?
    It's not about the megapixels count. It's about the technology behind it. Oversampling, OIS, etc.
    07-13-2013 03:49 PM
  8. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    It's not about the megapixels count. It's about the technology behind it. Oversampling, OIS, etc.
    Technology is great - but it's easy to be lost in the spectacle.

    But will it change your live?

    Would it make $700 difference??
    07-13-2013 03:51 PM
  9. Mocah's Avatar
    Not too mention the quick controlling of adjustments you'll have on the DSLR. The Pro Cam app is nice, but it's not near as quick.

    On a side note, I personally love carrying around a camera. It can be less convenient in some situations, but I definitely wouldn't trade the experience of my D90 w/50mm prime for the 1020.
    07-13-2013 04:00 PM
  10. Jaripi's Avatar
    I am not a photographer, but I like to take photos, good photos, without carrying a separate camera ... I have Canon 550D at home, but it is too big to carry (I do not take it even for my holidays). It makes great videos too, but they are just too big by size (needs converting), to make them useable ... well, some other guys prefer separate cam, but I prefer just a good easily carried phone cam to be always and quickly available from my pocket ...
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    07-13-2013 04:01 PM
  11. aaa6112's Avatar
    I am not a photographer, but I like to take photos, good photos, without carrying a separate camera ... I have Canon 550D at home, but it is too big to carry (I do not take it even for my holidays). It makes great videos too, but they are just too big by size (needs converting), to make them useable ... well, some other guys prefer separate cam, but I prefer just a good easily carried phone cam to be always and quickly available from my pocket ...
    exactly. It all comes down to personal preferences.
    07-13-2013 04:14 PM
  12. TechFreak1's Avatar
    exactly. It all comes down to personal preferences.
    Yup and best wait for all the hands on before making a decision.
    07-13-2013 05:19 PM
  13. JustToClarify's Avatar
    having good camera with you wherever you go will give your life a new value, believe me :)
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    07-13-2013 06:22 PM
  14. Koeitje's Avatar
    A DSLR, it will still destroy anything the 1020 can produce. Even non full-frame DSLR's have sensors that are about 3 times bigger and you can play a lot more with DoF on a DSLR. It is also MUCH faster (turning it on, focussing, bursting). If you want something compact with high quality you can get a X100s for example, but that is already more expensive than an entry level DSLR but it also has one of the best sensors around. Fuji's non-bayer sensors are just amazing. Regardless, the 1020 will be amazing but all this talk about replacing DSLR's is just bull. The only thing it might get close to are Nikon's 1-series.

    Still going to get a 1020, because I don't want to carry a camera all the time. But I don't consider it to be a replacement for a DSLR or one of the other alternatives with similar sensors.
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    07-13-2013 07:39 PM
  15. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    Belong to the generation that don't carry around DSLR - certainly good to see Nokia challenging the old guards.
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    07-13-2013 08:02 PM
  16. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    I'd get a 1020 for the versatility (though I'd rather get an 808, since it works better as a phone)
    Either an 808 or a DSLR for the quality.
    The 808 has a larger FSI sensor than the 1020 BSI sensor. Oh well.
    07-13-2013 08:15 PM
  17. Residing's Avatar
    I'd get a 1020 for the versatility (though I'd rather get an 808, since it works better as a phone)
    Either an 808 or a DSLR for the quality.
    The 808 has a larger FSI sensor than the 1020 BSI sensor. Oh well.
    Careful...It's apparent that the OP is interested in WP, NOT Symbian. Not sure how the 808 works better as a phone, as I have a N8 and don't find that the telephony is any better, or worse, than my Lumia 900. Not to mention that support for the 808 and Symbian has waned considerably; WP8 is guaranteed support for many months to come.

    With that said, the OP would best be served to wait for reviews and samples from production devices (not the 1020 prototypes we've seen thus far) as well as consider that OIS is not present on the 808. Price, convenience, and availability could also be considerations.
    Last edited by Residing; 07-13-2013 at 08:39 PM.
    07-13-2013 08:27 PM
  18. irvin792's Avatar
    1020!
    07-13-2013 08:41 PM
  19. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Not sure how the 808 works better as a phone,
    well, there is size advantage as 808 is a bit shorter and narrower, then..you have full 2way call recording, separate volume settings etc.
    07-13-2013 08:55 PM
  20. crash1989's Avatar
    07-13-2013 10:04 PM
  21. JustToClarify's Avatar
    what exactly? You can do the same with 808...which has even more powerful flash.
    07-13-2013 10:59 PM
  22. vlad0's Avatar
    I got a Nokia N8 in 2010 and at the time I've had my Canon xti for about a year I think. As soon as I started shooting with the N8, I knew that it suits my needs better than the big camera.. the jpeg processing was good enough, and the IQ was more than enough for my needs.

    To be honest, the N8 sort of unlocked my photography skills and inspired me to look at things in a more artistic way because it was always with me.. so I always had something to shoot with which gave me a good enough result.

    The 808 .. well that a whole different level.. I would never need a compact point and shoot again.

    I still have my DSLR just for "special" occasions where I need proper zoom, faster/lower shutter speeds.. I dunno just to have it. I think the best combination for an amateur photographer is to have a good camera phone + a cheaper/used DSLR to play around with.

    My dream combo is Nokia 808 + Nikon D800 with couple of good lenses.

    So, considering that the 1020 is a proper camera phone, has faster/slower shutter speeds than the 808.. I think it will be more than enough for most people out there. I am yet to max out my 808 in terms of what it can do.. in other words, I think it's abilities still surpass my talent.

    what exactly? You can do the same with 808...which has even more powerful flash.
    The flash on the 1020 is supposed to cover 4.5 meters..and I believe that the 808 is at 4 meters, so if not better.. the WP device is just as good.
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    07-13-2013 11:10 PM
  23. JustToClarify's Avatar
    The Xenon Flash is a bit smaller than on the Nokia 808: GN 3.2 versus GN 3.5 – GN stands for light output.

    I can't see how weaker xenon can shoot longer distance and don't forget Nokia is trying to sell 1020 while 808 production is stopped so they will advertise it as the best device in every aspect and I don't believe them one bit there(remember "stabilisation van") :)
    07-14-2013 05:03 AM
  24. P098's Avatar
    Deja vu :D

    this all dslr vs phone had taken place nearly a year ago, when 808 was launched. truth to be told, theres no point in comparing the two. Each one has its own advantages and disadvantages, so OP should go with his own discretion.

    I read this somewhere: camera is like a paint brush, painting depends on how good the painter is, not on the paintbrush. :)
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    07-14-2013 06:19 AM
  25. JustToClarify's Avatar
    I read this somewhere: camera is like a paint brush, painting depends on how good the painter is, not on the paintbrush. :)
    good, then we can all switch to VGA cameras
    07-14-2013 06:25 AM
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