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  1. josemon's Avatar
    Will it work in middle east and India
    07-23-2013 12:37 AM
  2. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Thanks for your answer. I actually got off the phone with T-Mo sales and he said the wifi calling feature would work. I asked him how exactly and he wasn't sure. So, I guess it's 50/50 chance. Maybe someone here can shed some light if they're planning to get the unlocked Lumia 1020 for their T-Mobile plan...please chime in! Thanks.
    I'm on T-mobile and I plan on picking up a 1020...though I'm not sure if I'll get the AT&T version or wait for the european 64GB one to become available. If the wifi calling issue was do-able with a non-tmobile-specific model, I would expect there to be examples of 820's and 920's that worked at this point...especially with folks like XDA on the case. It's not even available on t-mobile's own 810. So, either the API hooks aren't there for easy integration via app or T-mobile just hasn't done the work to make it happen yet. Either way...I'm not encouraged and I'm not making my purchase decision with the assumption of wifi calling working in mind.
    Last edited by TexasLabRat; 07-23-2013 at 12:21 PM.
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    07-23-2013 12:08 PM
  3. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Will it work in middle east and India
    2G and 3G (including HSPA) ... yes depending on provider as the 900, 1800, and 2100 bands that India uses are supported by the phone per the specs listed.
    4G LTE...no. India's standard band for LTE is 2300 Mhz which is not supported on the AT&T model.
    07-23-2013 12:19 PM
  4. LastBattle's Avatar
    Any units from Negri Electronics shipped yet?
    07-24-2013 10:59 AM
  5. antiochian2010's Avatar
    Still showing as 7/30. I chatted with their support yesterday asking if the date was earlier due to AT&T already shipping, but the guy there said it's still at 7/30.
    07-24-2013 12:29 PM
  6. LastBattle's Avatar
    5 more days ;D
    07-25-2013 01:20 AM
  7. webdave's Avatar
    FYI I'd be wary of ordering from Negri. About a month ago I placed an order for an unlocked US T-Mobile BlackBerry Z10. The next day I received an email from them saying I needed to read and agree to a section of their terms of service before they would ship the phone. I've included it below but basically it says the IMEI on the phones they sell can be blacklisted by T-Mobile/AT&T at any point after they initially test it. It sounds like they are purchasing "grey market" phones and don't have an official source. If your phone does get blacklisted you can only return it to Negri in the first 25 days.

    2.6 RESTRICTED IMEI
    2.6.1 IMEI restriction occurs when a wireless provider prohibits a device from accessing its network. Carriers describe these devices as stolen, when in fact they are devices purchased through the carrier's subsidy model and bundled with a wireless service contract that has been terminated, voided, or abandoned before the end of the stated contract period.
    2.6.2 Carrier branded devices sold by Negri Electronics are tested before shipping to verify the IMEI's unrestricted status. However, a carrier may choose to restrict an IMEI of any branded device at any time. For that reason, the unrestricted status can only be verified at the time of shipment.
    2.6.3 Devices discovered to hold a restricted IMEI upon or after delivery will be subject to the standard Return and Buy Back Policy with the following exceptions: (*This is not an amendment to the standard return policy, but rather an effort made in good faith to help customers that are victim to an unfortunate situation caused by their carrier, to be handled on an individual and case by case basis. Update: 12/2012)
    2.6.3.1 Any customer wishing to return a device with a restricted IMEI that was purchased through Negri Electronics will be given special consideration and/or priority in processing an exchange, so long as the 25 day return policy has not expired and/or the device is in like new condition.*
    2.6.3.2 Any devices with a restricted IMEI that was purchased from Negri Electronics that is being offered through the Buy-Back policy will be given special consideration and proposed a buy-back offer that ignores the current restricted status of the device.*
    2.6.4 Customers choosing to purchase carrier branded devices are considered to be aware of the circumstances and risks associated with purchasing a carrier branded device with the intent to use that device on the carrier's network. It is important to note that IMEI restrictions do not affect the device's ability to be used on other domestic networks or any international network.
    07-25-2013 07:19 AM
  8. antiochian2010's Avatar
    FYI I'd be wary of ordering from Negri. About a month ago I placed an order for an unlocked US T-Mobile BlackBerry Z10. The next day I received an email from them saying I needed to read and agree to a section of their terms of service before they would ship the phone. I've included it below but basically it says the IMEI on the phones they sell can be blacklisted by T-Mobile/AT&T at any point after they initially test it. It sounds like they are purchasing "grey market" phones and don't have an official source. If your phone does get blacklisted you can only return it to Negri in the first 25 days.
    Thanks very much for posting this!!

    I have never used Negri before, so this inspired me to do a bit of research.

    I looked them up on the Better Business Bureau, Reseller Ratings and Ripoff report.

    After this and reading through your post, I have decided to let my preorder remain active - I am a T-Mobile user by the way.

    Every company gets some complaints. On resellerratings, Negri seemed to be pretty good about responding in detail to most of them. Also, some of the complaints were pretty bizarre to begin with.

    What I noticed was that almost none of the complaints dealt with having phones lock up with restricted IMEI. The only one I could find had some confusion in that the author tried to return something with a cracked screen while claiming the IMEI was also locked. But from scanning all of the reviews, the vast majority were positive.

    This leads me to believe that the disclaimer from Negri you published is a cover-your-a$$ maneuver to give them some legal protection. It doesn't seem like there are any problems with these occurring though..

    If anyone else has further info, I'd love to read - please post!!

    Backup plan - if this thing with Negri falls apart or if the phone won't work with T-Mobile in spite of my being in a strong LTE area, I'll return it then pick up a 925 phone. I would rather have the oversampling and larger storage, but the 925 is getting some amazing reviews including the camera.. In that case I'd still keep my 808 for special shootings. Otherwise if everything works out, I'm planning on selling the 808 to recoup some of the 1020 expense..
    Last edited by antiochian2010; 07-25-2013 at 10:23 AM.
    07-25-2013 09:16 AM
  9. ballanda's Avatar
    I trust Negri. They have been excellent with the two phones I bought. But they were factory unlocked. I can stand to wait a couple more weeks for the factory unlocked version. Then I won't have to worry at all, and I wont have an ugly-*** ATT logo on my phone.
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    07-25-2013 12:53 PM
  10. treetownal's Avatar
    Thanks. I bit the bullet to buy this yesterday and now I was started to worry.
    07-25-2013 01:35 PM
  11. webdave's Avatar
    I trust Negri. They have been excellent with the two phones I bought. But they were factory unlocked. I can stand to wait a couple more weeks for the factory unlocked version. Then I won't have to worry at all, and I wont have an ugly-*** ATT logo on my phone.
    The phones they currently are selling are AT&T unlocked phones so they will have an AT&T logo and come in an AT&T box. You likely won't see unbranded phones until 6 months after tomorrow.
    07-25-2013 03:23 PM
  12. antiochian2010's Avatar
    I think you're right, webdave; frankly if the phone works as well as I'm hoping, I doubt I'll even notice the AT&T bug after a few days :)
    07-25-2013 04:16 PM
  13. ballanda's Avatar
    The phones they currently are selling are AT&T unlocked phones so they will have an AT&T logo and come in an AT&T box. You likely won't see unbranded phones until 6 months after tomorrow.
    There's no international version of the 1020? The unlocked 925 and 920 came out within a week or two of the carrier models. Clove already has it up with pricing TBD.
    07-25-2013 04:18 PM
  14. antiochian2010's Avatar
    There's no international version of the 1020? The unlocked 925 and 920 came out within a week or two of the carrier models. Clove already has it up with pricing TBD.
    I just chatted with Francisco at Negri; 1020 is unlocked AT&T and will definitely have the AT&T logo printed on it.

    I think the only International version is the one that has the European bandwidths that won't work with US or Canadian based carriers, but will have 64GB internal.

    The one Negri is selling on preorders is AT&T 32GB memory and USA compatible bandwidths..
    07-25-2013 04:25 PM
  15. theefman's Avatar
    Not clear if the att exclusivity is for the whole of NA or just the US but without any real news that Rogers or any other Canadian carrier is picking this up the att version may be the best bet for an unlocked version for the US.
    07-25-2013 05:00 PM
  16. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    I just chatted with Francisco at Negri; 1020 is unlocked AT&T and will definitely have the AT&T logo printed on it.

    I think the only International version is the one that has the European bandwidths that won't work with US or Canadian based carriers, but will have 64GB internal.

    The one Negri is selling on preorders is AT&T 32GB memory and USA compatible bandwidths..
    "won't work with US or Canadian based carriers" is a little misleading..the European spec 1020's will work in the U.S. at 3G/4G speeds (up to 42Mbps) on the 850 and 1900 bands. Just not LTE. So if LTE is a must-have feature, then yes...the AT&T spec phone is the one to get. If HSDPA is good enough, then the european spec phone will work just fine.

    One thing to remember is that the 64GB version being released for Telefonica/Movistar in Europe and Latin America is different from the "standard" European spec and will likely have a different frequency mix to serve those "exclusive" markets with a single SKU. Many of the areas served have LTE over AWS bands which match up to both t-mobile and AT&t here in the states. To me, that's worth holding out for...twice the storage plus working LTE over AWS. But everyone's needs/expectations will differ, obviously :)
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    07-25-2013 09:31 PM
  17. fjbeiderbecke's Avatar
    From what I saw when the phone was announced the US version has band 4, the European does not. T-Mobile uses band 4 for LTE. I may have confused something but check before you get the Euro version.
    07-26-2013 09:01 AM
  18. ballanda's Avatar
    From what I saw when the phone was announced the US version has band 4, the European does not. T-Mobile uses band 4 for LTE. I may have confused something but check before you get the Euro version.
    I can't think of any good use for LTE anyway (other than sucking down battery life faster than anything else on the phone). I have never had a problem getting data fast enough with HSPDA+. But maybe my demands are not as heavy as others. I don't watch a lot of video over the air except for youtube.
    07-26-2013 10:23 AM
  19. webdave's Avatar
    I can't think of any good use for LTE anyway (other than sucking down battery life faster than anything else on the phone). I have never had a problem getting data fast enough with HSPDA+. But maybe my demands are not as heavy as others. I don't watch a lot of video over the air except for youtube.
    Latency (ping times) is much better with LTE.
    07-26-2013 10:39 AM
  20. gbach9's Avatar
    I also spoke with Francisco. he told me that it WOULD NOT work with the LTE network here in california. i went to a tmobile store and they told me it WOULD because it has the 1700 and 2100 bands. the thing that my brother told me (he is very familiar with this stuff) is that it may not work because tmobile and att have different frequencies. but i they are reframing the network because of the unlocked att iphone 5. but im not sure. if someone who actually lives in US and has tried using a tmobile sim card in an unlocked 1020 can tell us is for sure what they experienced that would be great. i want to order this too but im not trying to pay $750 for a phone that only runs edge.
    07-26-2013 05:43 PM
  21. antiochian2010's Avatar
    I'll tell you next week :)

    I think Negri's just trying to be conservative and cover themselves. But then why else are they selling unlocked phones??
    07-26-2013 06:09 PM
  22. gbach9's Avatar
    good point. appreciate it bro
    07-26-2013 06:31 PM
  23. antiochian2010's Avatar
    Just sent this to Nokia support - will post an answer If/once I receive..

    Nokia 1020 AT&T for USA:

    I am buying this as carrier unlocked. T-Mobile LTE is AWS Band 4 - will the unlocked USA 1020 work on T-Mobile LTE?

    Thank you in advance.
    07-26-2013 07:20 PM
  24. LastBattle's Avatar
    2 more days....... I can't wait for this.
    07-27-2013 12:10 PM
  25. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    I also spoke with Francisco. he told me that it WOULD NOT work with the LTE network here in california. i went to a tmobile store and they told me it WOULD because it has the 1700 and 2100 bands. the thing that my brother told me (he is very familiar with this stuff) is that it may not work because tmobile and att have different frequencies. but i they are reframing the network because of the unlocked att iphone 5. but im not sure. if someone who actually lives in US and has tried using a tmobile sim card in an unlocked 1020 can tell us is for sure what they experienced that would be great. i want to order this too but im not trying to pay $750 for a phone that only runs edge.
    AWS is AWS. We've already seen unlocked 920's work just fine on t-mobile. An unlocked at&t-spec 1020 will likewise work on t-mobile's AWS-based LTE. A european-spec 1020 will not as it lacks AWS support. The Telefonica/Movisar spec 1020 will most likely have AWS since a large number of the providers across the world that the company/conglomerate owns uses AWS for LTE.

    What I *can't* speak to is if AT&T locks LTE access by IMEI...thereby making these 3rd-party-acquired phones unable to access the AT&T LTE network. I don't have any experience in that but I can tell you that T-mobile is much more straight-forward in that you only need a proper SIM and the right APN settings to get it to work.
    07-27-2013 03:16 PM
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