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  1. pavvento's Avatar
    I think this is neat as can be

    Attachment 37837
    I agree, unfortunately it is a sample image, I forgot to delete those, sorry!
    07-22-2013 12:52 AM
  2. pavvento's Avatar
    Last thing before I crash from exhaustion. The ability to refocus is awesome. I took a screenshot of what the 5MP looks like before opening it in Pro and seeing what else is there to refocus. I can't figure out how to upload from the app, I'll put them in Flickr in the morning.
    Harri_Tku likes this.
    07-22-2013 01:06 AM
  3. vlad0's Avatar
    I didn't but I'll upload another one. Again this room is completely pitch black. Attachment 37835

    Much, much better..
    07-22-2013 01:18 AM
  4. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Last thing before I crash from exhaustion. The ability to refocus is awesome. I took a screenshot of what the 5MP looks like before opening it in Pro and seeing what else is there to refocus. I can't figure out how to upload from the app, I'll put them in Flickr in the morning.
    Hi pavvento!

    Thank for great photos. Can you make photos where you use full zoom level and then take shot. I'm not talking cropping but actual situation like you would use optical zoom. Just like to see how good those 5Mpix images look without any down sampling. I could just zoom in to those fullres pics, but don't know where exactly it is 5 mpix of size.

    Edit: checked photos again and there's those zoom samples. Looks decent enough. Obviously with slightly bigger sensor those would look better. Nokia could have been more generous on that sensor, since everyone kinda expected it to have bigger hump. Can someone calculate how much thicker that hump would be if using same sensor size like in 808?
    Last edited by Kissanviikset; 07-22-2013 at 02:08 AM.
    07-22-2013 01:50 AM
  5. Cod3rror's Avatar
    LOL, I'm just loving the excuses. Every image delivers a blow of unpleasant reality to you and are desperately trying to convince yourselves that 1020 still takes good pictures. "But, but Nokia will fix it in an update", "But, but 1020 is an enthusiast camera"... weren't you claiming it was a mainstream camera and 808 was an enthusiast camera no one knew about?

    FACT: It does not take good pictures.

    Show me a single 1020 pictures that looks as good as this...

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2006895vM5.jpg

    Or this,

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...1927KvO7cz.jpg

    1020 seems to only perform decently in very low night, even then there is grain and noise. Daylight pictures though, are hopeless, they are simply atrocious.
    07-22-2013 02:50 AM
  6. Deutscher2's Avatar
    http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s...o__highres.jpg

    Or this,

    http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s...-city-view.jpg

    "1020 seems to only perform decently in very low night"
    Both no low-light Photos.
    07-22-2013 03:17 AM
  7. kopi22's Avatar
    LOL, I'm just loving the excuses. Every image delivers a blow of unpleasant reality to you and are desperately trying to convince yourselves that 1020 still takes good pictures. "But, but Nokia will fix it in an update", "But, but 1020 is an enthusiast camera"... weren't you claiming it was a mainstream camera and 808 was an enthusiast camera no one knew about?

    FACT: It does not take good pictures.

    Show me a single 1020 pictures that looks as good as this...

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2006895vM5.jpg

    Or this,

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...1927KvO7cz.jpg

    1020 seems to only perform decently in very low night, even then there is grain and noise. Daylight pictures though, are hopeless, they are simply atrocious.
    Hmm... These 2 photos are amazing! You are right. Now that you mentioned, I do see lots of grainy dots on 1020 photos, even for daylight or well-lite photos. Not sure if updates going to fix what 1020 can offers now, but currently 1020 camera is definitely not offering what we expected. All the zoomed photos are having smudged images. Is pretty bad I would say for a 41MP sensor.
    07-22-2013 03:21 AM
  8. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
    Thank you!

    Both at 400iso with xenon

    1020:

    Original: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7389/9...ccf3140e_o.jpg

    100% crop
    http://i.imgur.com/gLZuOhI.jpg

    808:

    original: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...0531Lx1Io2.jpg

    100% crop

    http://i.imgur.com/YgTMG4A.jpg


    The difference is way too big... did you zoom in with the 1020 ??
    The Picture of the bottles you're comparing is of the iphone5 if I'm not mistaken.
    dukrem likes this.
    07-22-2013 03:26 AM
  9. Cod3rror's Avatar
    http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s...o__highres.jpg

    Or this,

    http://cdn.conversations.nokia.com.s...-city-view.jpg

    "1020 seems to only perform decently in very low night"
    Both no low-light Photos.
    Yes. Show me an equally good daylight photo taken with 1020.
    07-22-2013 03:27 AM
  10. Deutscher2's Avatar
    Yes. Show me an equally good daylight photo taken with 1020.
    These are Lumia 1020 Photos!
    07-22-2013 03:32 AM
  11. Cod3rror's Avatar
    These are Lumia 1020 Photos!
    Oh, I thought you were quoting the images I posted.

    Yea, those are not good.
    07-22-2013 03:34 AM
  12. nukeypearce's Avatar
    Well those two competitor photos you posted aren't as good as you think they are. Look at the dog picture as an example. There's compression noise all around the edge of the snout / whiskers, the white is too strong (even though the blanket may have been in direct sunlight it's still noticeable) and at original size, look how compressed the edge of it's basket is - washed out and blurred. You say the Nokia ones look painted at full original size? Your pictures posted are the same. While I'm at it look at it's ear on the top. Again, heavy compression and lack of colour. Come to think of it, the whole of the head looks compressed in it's image quality. Probably because of the fact the file size of that file isn't even 4MB. The white on the blanket is so overexposed you can't even see the creases on it (yes there are creases, I lowered the image brightness in Photoshop).

    Right, let's look at this other pic, the van. Yup as I imagined, lots of compression noise: look at those link chains. And the building brickwork. And the grass. And the floor. In fact, it all looks pretty compressed to me. The colour is washed out, and is much worse than the dog picture.

    If you want to nit pick then I can do the same. Either you are trying to force negativity on Nokia, or you need to go to Specsavers.

    Nukey
    07-22-2013 03:51 AM
  13. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Well those two competitor photos you posted aren't as good as you think they are. Look at the dog picture as an example. There's compression noise all around the edge of the snout / whiskers, the white is too strong (even though the blanket may have been in direct sunlight it's still noticeable) and at original size, look how compressed the edge of it's basket is - washed out and blurred. You say the Nokia ones look painted at full original size? Your pictures posted are the same. While I'm at it look at it's ear on the top. Again, heavy compression and lack of colour. Come to think of it, the whole of the head looks compressed in it's image quality. Probably because of the fact the file size of that file isn't even 4MB. The white on the blanket is so overexposed you can't even see the creases on it (yes there are creases, I lowered the image brightness in Photoshop).

    Right, let's look at this other pic, the van. Yup as I imagined, lots of compression noise: look at those link chains. And the building brickwork. And the grass. And the floor. In fact, it all looks pretty compressed to me. The colour is washed out, and is much worse than the dog picture.

    If you want to nit pick then I can do the same. Either you are trying to force negativity on Nokia, or you need to go to Specsavers.

    Nukey
    Your analysis is absolutely, completely wrong.

    If you're complain about those pictures, analyse these photos and tell us what you think...

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7399/9...302f2028_o.jpg

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/9...f30e8134_o.jpg
    07-22-2013 03:56 AM
  14. nukeypearce's Avatar
    Those images are not native 35/38/41 megapixel images. When taking images with the Lumia 1020 you have the option of taking pictures at 38/35 Mpix + 5mpix (as an additional which includes the oversampling), or 5mpix on it's own. That is a standard 5mpix photo.

    My original analysis is not wrong. You only have to look at those photos you linked to see the quality degradation! I'm sure others would agree.
    07-22-2013 04:04 AM
  15. nano321's Avatar
    Wow!! I am loving it. Here is a comparison posted by NPU between Lumia 1020 and iPhone 5 based on the images posted by
    pavvento in similar conditions. Lumia 1020 absolutely blows away iPhone 5 in low light.

    wp.me/p3AL6J-3wF
    07-22-2013 04:08 AM
  16. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Those images are not native 35/38/41 megapixel images. When taking images with the Lumia 1020 you have the option of taking pictures at 38/35 Mpix + 5mpix (as an additional which includes the oversampling), or 5mpix on it's own. That is a standard 5mpix photo.

    My original analysis is not wrong. You only have to look at those photos you linked to see the quality degradation! I'm sure others would agree.
    There is no such thing as a "standard 5MP photo" all 5MP are oversampled.

    And most people will use 5MP, who needs 35MP images!? And it's not like they're good either, they are very grainy.
    07-22-2013 04:12 AM
  17. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Oversampling is to reduce noise and retain most of the details. If you gonna compare 38 MP with full details with 5 MP PureView image with no noise and less details, what you reckon you will get. Details will always be more on 34-38 MP sample but noise will be much higher as well. That's how it works on 808 as well. With 808 nobody bothered about 34-38 MP images because Nokia highlighted 5 MP oversampled images. Here all confusion is coming in because Nokia has introduce reframing as an option with Lumia 1020 for which you take full-res images.

    But do remember, oversampled images for Lumia 1020 will have much better details than any other smartphone on market barring one and only one 808 in daylight. In case of Low-light images even 808 doesn't come closer to Lumia 1020. Read what GSMArena has to say about it,

    As far as image quality is concerned, the Nokia Lumia 1020 is really in a class of its own. None of the other high-end smartphones can come even close to the amount of resolved detail that the huge pixel-dense sensor and the 6-element ZEISS lens deliver. The dynamic range is also much higher than any other flagship can offer.

    Just like the still images, the videos produced by the Lumia 1020 are beyond the capabilities of any other smartphone on the market. The detail levels are top notch, the colors are extremely pleasing and the dynamic range simply cannot be achieved with a smaller sensor.

    Nokia Lumia 1020 preview: Take two - GSMArena.com
    so what? GSMArena compared it to other phones here not 808.

    "In case of Low-light images even 808 doesn't come closer to Lumia 1020. "

    lol why you don't show us those low light images from 1020 that 808 couldn't come close to?! It's actually very very opposite...
    07-22-2013 04:15 AM
  18. Deutscher2's Avatar
    Oh, I thought you were quoting the images I posted.





    100% of YOUR "glory" 808 Pics.
    07-22-2013 04:15 AM
  19. nukeypearce's Avatar
    There is no such thing as a "standard 5MP photo" all 5MP are oversampled.
    There is such a thing as "standard 5MP photo". The setting is listed as "JPEG 5MP" I believe. The others example is "JPEG 5MP (+34MP)", but the high number depends on the aspect ratio.

    Please can someone with a 1020 please upload a pic of the camera resolution settings just to show what's available? Thanks.
    07-22-2013 04:28 AM
  20. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    There is going to be tons of comparisons bethween 808 and 1020, so the truth about better IQ will be soon revealed. At this point i see that this depate isn't going anywhere until we see side by side comparisons of same scenery taken with both devices.
    07-22-2013 04:38 AM
  21. Cod3rror's Avatar
    There is going to be tons of comparisons bethween 808 and 1020, so the truth about better IQ will be soon revealed. At this point i see that this depate isn't going anywhere until we see side by side comparisons of same scenery taken with both devices.
    Exactly, just wait a while. 1020 will get smashed by 808. iPhone 5S and Galaxy S4 will most likely beat it in daylight photos.

    1020 is a night camera, like 920, 925. Their daylight images are terrible. If you plan on going on holidays and only taking night photos then get a Lumia, otherwise, iPhone or Galaxy.
    07-22-2013 04:55 AM
  22. nukeypearce's Avatar
    I think basing the purchase of the device purely on one aspect of it (the camera) is a bit wrong to be honest. "If you are going to take pictures during the day then don't buy the lumia" is a bit harsh. That's almost like saying that the quality is so bad there is no point in using the camera at all, therefore omitting it from the spec. Wrong wrong wrong.
    07-22-2013 05:09 AM
  23. nano321's Avatar
    Exactly, just wait a while. 1020 will get smashed by 808. iPhone 5S and Galaxy S4 will most likely beat it in daylight photos.

    1020 is a night camera, like 920, 925. Their daylight images are terrible. If you plan on going on holidays and only taking night photos then get a Lumia, otherwise, iPhone or Galaxy.
    Hey troll, read what GSMArena has to say about Lumia 1020 smashing all other smartphones left,right and centre.

    http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_...view-952p7.php

    As far as image quality is concerned, the Nokia Lumia 1020 is really in a class of its own. None of the other high-end smartphones can come even close to the amount of resolved detail that the huge pixel-dense sensor and the 6-element ZEISS lens deliver. The dynamic range is also much higher than any other flagship can offer. At full resolution (38 MP or 34MP) the noise levels are comparable to those of the 13MP Galaxy S4, which is a pretty great achievement given how much more detail you get.


    Now, rush to your master and beg for you salary as your master samsung is really scared of Lumia 1020!!
    07-22-2013 05:14 AM
  24. nano321's Avatar
    so what? GSMArena compared it to other phones here not 808.

    "In case of Low-light images even 808 doesn't come closer to Lumia 1020. "

    lol why you don't show us those low light images from 1020 that 808 couldn't come close to?! It's actually very very opposite...
    Loved your devotion for 808 PureView. But so what? Facts are facts. 808 has a successor. You must understand that you will get better video, low-light imaging with Lumia 1020 with similar level of details in daylight. So, is it a big deal? Yes, if you are on a 808 and you have your next phone in sight like, me. If you don't own a 808 pureview and just want to troll, keep going on..........
    Residing likes this.
    07-22-2013 05:20 AM
  25. LMZR's Avatar
    If these were uploaded to the internet, wouldn't they be oversampled 5MP samples?

    The ACTUAL 35/38MP shot would be a lot better, I'm not particularly worried about the 1020's camera.
    07-22-2013 05:21 AM
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