11-05-2013 06:02 PM
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  1. Cod3rror's Avatar
    If these were uploaded to the internet, wouldn't they be oversampled 5MP samples?

    The ACTUAL 35/38MP shot would be a lot better, I'm not particularly worried about the 1020's camera.
    NO!

    5MP images are supposed to provide the best quality. That's the whole idea of oversampling. Multiple pixels are combined into one and all the noise, grain and other negatives are filtred out.

    If 5MP are bad, which they are, then 38MP images will definitely be bad.
    greynightshirt likes this.
    07-22-2013 05:30 AM
  2. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Loved your devotion for 808 PureView. But so what? Facts are facts. 808 has a successor. You must understand that you will get better video, low-light imaging with Lumia 1020 with similar level of details in daylight. So, is it a big deal? Yes, if you are on a 808 and you have your next phone in sight like, me. If you don't own a 808 pureview and just want to troll, keep going on..........
    actually I had this phone in sight until I saw the samples(and specs including sensor size/type etc.)... again, why you don't show us those low-light pictures from 1020 that you claim are better than 808 would do?!
    07-22-2013 05:34 AM
  3. LMZR's Avatar
    NO!

    5MP images are supposed to provide the best quality. That's the whole idea of oversampling. Multiple pixels are combined into one and all the noise, grain and other negatives are filtred out.

    If 5MP are bad, which they are, then 38MP images will definitely be bad.
    I do not get how that works, I mean sure, i get the fact that the 5MP shot would look better than the 38MP shot.

    IF you edit it.
    07-22-2013 05:37 AM
  4. Cod3rror's Avatar
    I do not get how that works, I mean sure, i get the fact that the 5MP shot would look better than the 38MP shot.

    IF you edit it.
    Well, at least you admit not knowing how it works, unlike others here.

    Watch this short video, it'll explain it.

    07-22-2013 06:06 AM
  5. Cod3rror's Avatar
    actually I had this phone in sight until I saw the samples(and specs including sensor size/type etc.)... again, why you don't show us those low-light pictures from 1020 that you claim are better than 808 would do?!
    Same here. Had high hopes for this phone, and then found out about the sensor size and samples got posted... nope.
    07-22-2013 06:08 AM
  6. Qtweeder's Avatar
    sorry if this has been mentioned, but i got slightly more optimistic about the 1020 when i saw that hot air balloon picture, looked cleaner than most, when i looked at the exif data, instead of the usual, previous model identifier saying: "Lumia 1020" the air balloon pic says "id300" - whats all that about? :)
    07-22-2013 06:18 AM
  7. pavvento's Avatar
    There is such a thing as "standard 5MP photo". The setting is listed as "JPEG 5MP" I believe. The others example is "JPEG 5MP (+34MP)", but the high number depends on the aspect ratio.

    Please can someone with a 1020 please upload a pic of the camera resolution settings just to show what's available? Thanks.
    I can't upload pictures through the WP app (I must be doing something wrong, I can't imagine it would be missing this huge feature) but in 16:9 it is 5MP or 5 MP+34MP and in 4:3 it is 5 MP or 5MP+38MP
    07-22-2013 06:21 AM
  8. kalel_1000's Avatar
    Loved your devotion for 808 PureView. But so what? Facts are facts. 808 has a successor. You must understand that you will get better video, low-light imaging with Lumia 1020 with similar level of details in daylight. So, is it a big deal? Yes, if you are on a 808 and you have your next phone in sight like, me. If you don't own a 808 pureview and just want to troll, keep going on..........
    No. I will bet you 100 dollars right now that the 1020 will get SMASHED in the daylight by the 808.

    Everything will become clear in a weeks time but I am calling it right now, the 1020 will get absolutely destroyed by an year old, Symbian running phone.
    07-22-2013 06:58 AM
  9. vlad0's Avatar
    sorry if this has been mentioned, but i got slightly more optimistic about the 1020 when i saw that hot air balloon picture, looked cleaner than most, when i looked at the exif data, instead of the usual, previous model identifier saying: "Lumia 1020" the air balloon pic says "id300" - whats all that about? :)
    Its the cleanest one so far...
    07-22-2013 07:31 AM
  10. pavvento's Avatar
    Its the cleanest one so far...
    It is a sample that came with the phone, I'd imagine it probably was on a tripod.
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    07-22-2013 07:40 AM
  11. vlad0's Avatar
    ^ I looked trough your gallery, and I feel like some of the 5mpix shots there are in fact zoomed in, which takes away from the IQ.. despite the "loseless" claims from Nokia.. its the same with the 808

    Your analysis is absolutely, completely wrong.

    If you're complain about those pictures, analyse these photos and tell us what you think...

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7399/9...302f2028_o.jpg

    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3748/9...f30e8134_o.jpg
    Are these zoomed in.. some shots are great, others not so much.. I don't get it.
    07-22-2013 07:43 AM
  12. pavvento's Avatar
    ^ I looked trough your gallery, and I feel like some of the 5mpix shots there are in fact zoomed in, which takes away from the IQ.. despite the "loseless" claims from Nokia.. its the same with the 808



    Are these zoomed in.. some shots are great, others not so much.. I don't get it.
    Some of them are zoomed, some are not.
    07-22-2013 07:48 AM
  13. Kissanviikset's Avatar

    Are these zoomed in.. some shots are great, others not so much.. I don't get it.
    Those are zoomed pics, Cod3rror just "forget" to mention it.
    07-22-2013 07:51 AM
  14. vlad0's Avatar
    That makes sense.. way to much noise for 5mpix with oversampling :)
    07-22-2013 08:02 AM
  15. nano321's Avatar
    actually I had this phone in sight until I saw the samples(and specs including sensor size/type etc.)... again, why you don't show us those low-light pictures from 1020 that you claim are better than 808 would do?!
    Sure, but here is the deal!! You show me one side by side comparison of daylight image of same scene captured with Lumia 1020 and 808, where 808 does better than Lumia 1020 and I promise I will produce 20, where Lumia 1020 beats it in low-light..
    07-22-2013 08:03 AM
  16. shadyghost's Avatar
    I know this has been mentioned ad nauseum, BUT this entire conversation is pretty fruitless. The yolk is on nobody, the people who preordered (me) will have a month to figure out if the phone's camera works for them, the reviewers will start publishing way before that month is up so there will be plenty of (hopefully) non-biased information and comparisons coming out soon after it ships and if the camera is crap it will be readily apparent both to myself, and to everyone else who preordered. End of story. Comparing two completely different photos taken in completely different lighting situations by completely different photographers using completely different settings on completely different cameras is going to lead to completely different results and is as unscientific as one can get.
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    07-22-2013 08:04 AM
  17. kopi22's Avatar
    I do not get how that works, I mean sure, i get the fact that the 5MP shot would look better than the 38MP shot.

    IF you edit it.
    If I'm not mistaken, is 7 pixels into 1 pixel on a 5MP photo. If a 5MP photo is still looking bad, then I will doubt how good a 1-1 pixel of 35MP photo will be.
    07-22-2013 08:11 AM
  18. kennedya's Avatar
    LOL, I'm just loving the excuses. Every image delivers a blow of unpleasant reality to you and are desperately trying to convince yourselves that 1020 still takes good pictures. "But, but Nokia will fix it in an update", "But, but 1020 is an enthusiast camera"... weren't you claiming it was a mainstream camera and 808 was an enthusiast camera no one knew about?

    FACT: It does not take good pictures.

    Show me a single 1020 pictures that looks as good as this...

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...2006895vM5.jpg

    Or this,

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...1927KvO7cz.jpg

    1020 seems to only perform decently in very low night, even then there is grain and noise. Daylight pictures though, are hopeless, they are simply atrocious.
    These two photos are incredible. This was kind of what I was hoping for. Is such results not possible with the 1020? Is it a result of the hardware not being as good or the software not being tweaked enough or just not being in the hands of professionals?
    07-22-2013 08:24 AM
  19. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Sure, but here is the deal!! You show me one side by side comparison of daylight image of same scene captured with Lumia 1020 and 808, where 808 does better than Lumia 1020 and I promise I will produce 20, where Lumia 1020 beats it in low-light..
    why it has to be the same scene? You can clearly see the difference from similar scenes. Unless you believe that all 1020 pictures are actually taken in very bad conditions...
    07-22-2013 08:25 AM
  20. JustToClarify's Avatar
    These two photos are incredible. This was kind of what I was hoping for. Is such results not possible with the 1020? Is it a result of the hardware not being as good or the software not being tweaked enough or just not being in the hands of professionals?
    it's about hardware, 1020 has worse sensor and doesn't have dedicated DSP for oversampling
    07-22-2013 08:26 AM
  21. Sniper1087's Avatar
    No. I will bet you 100 dollars right now that the 1020 will get SMASHED in the daylight by the 808.

    Everything will become clear in a weeks time but I am calling it right now, the 1020 will get absolutely destroyed by an year old, Symbian running phone.
    Yes that maybe so but every phone gets destroyed by the 808 camera yet is still running symbian for Nokia is their feature phone OS and not their smartphone OS. I rather use the 1020 which still has better pics than every other smartphone, from what I saw on Paventos flicker, the 5 mp shots pack a lot of quality, the best I have seen compared to the S4, iphone 5 and HTC One, which a re the top players in here, for me the comparison with the 808. Is pointless, it might have a better camera but thats about it, slower processor, lower resolution display and fewer apps.
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    07-22-2013 08:26 AM
  22. JustToClarify's Avatar
    1020 will still be far better than all other phones except 808 (and N8 in certain conditions)
    07-22-2013 08:29 AM
  23. vlad0's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken, is 7 pixels into 1 pixel on a 5MP photo.
    Correct.
    07-22-2013 08:50 AM
  24. unternull's Avatar
    I can pretty much guarantee these are not prototypes

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    07-22-2013 08:53 AM
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    07-22-2013 09:03 AM
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