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  1. unternull's Avatar
    07-22-2013 09:04 AM
  2. unternull's Avatar
    What i tried to do was ISO 100-200 ONLY and the "It's Insert explitave cloudy setting"( little cloud icon for scene change)
    07-22-2013 09:13 AM
  3. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    What i tried to do was ISO 100-200 ONLY and the "It's Insert explitave cloudy setting"( little cloud icon for scene change)
    Those shots are very noisy looking and flower shot looks out of focus and very noisy lacks details copmletely. ISO performance doesn't look so good at all. Granted 100 ISO would have been enough for those shots.
    07-22-2013 09:26 AM
  4. unternull's Avatar
    I was looking for maybe a macro setting since I wanted to get close up but couldnt find one. I'm sure its there somewhere im still learning

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    07-22-2013 09:28 AM
  5. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    I was looking for maybe a macro setting since I wanted to get close up but couldnt find one. I'm sure its there somewhere im still learning

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    You can just use manual focus for macro shots. Focus is locked and you can fine tune it just moving camera closer or further a bit.
    07-22-2013 09:33 AM
  6. unternull's Avatar
    Good to know. Thank you

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    07-22-2013 09:34 AM
  7. abouttoswitch's Avatar
    I think that a huge part of these photos not looking good is the photographer. In the majority of the photos the subject is out of focused and or overexposed. It is clear to me that this guy has no clue about how to use even the basic camera functions and it is a shame that he is the ambassador to all of the regulars here at wpcentral who are wondering about what this camera can do. I appreciate what he is doing, but there are no way that the results should be this bad. Looking back on my first few years of dslr photos I see the same thing, but eventually once I got the basics of composition and my camera settings down I was able to take some pretty great photos.

    I look forward to the coming days and weeks when competent testers run the 1020 through its paces.
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    07-22-2013 09:59 AM
  8. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
    Those shots are very noisy looking and flower shot looks out of focus and very noisy lacks details copmletely. ISO performance doesn't look so good at all. Granted 100 ISO would have been enough for those shots.
    What noise? Look at the 5MP oversampled image, almost completely clean. And it's not out of focus, it's just the focus is on that front plant.
    07-22-2013 10:07 AM
  9. unternull's Avatar
    that hurt abouttoswitch. :*( </3

    Just wanted to share my excitement.

    Trying to do my best.I am still green at photo taking.
    07-22-2013 10:17 AM
  10. josemon's Avatar
    wat i understd from the previous photos is,its totally out of focus. thats may be the main reasn
    07-22-2013 10:29 AM
  11. abouttoswitch's Avatar
    Unternull, I was not trying to make a personal attack. Looking at youtube videos of the nokia pro-cam app it looks like it can be pretty tricky to get used to. I am sure that I will have a hard time getting used to it as well. There is always a huge learning curve with new cameras.

    I am just frustrated that veteran 808tographers and the like are jumping all over these photos which are taken by a new photographer and comparing them to their own which is fueling an extremely negative debate about a phone that I am so excited about. This whole thread is really bumming me out honestly.

    Keep at it and I look forward to seeing what the camera can do.
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    07-22-2013 10:32 AM
  12. vlad0's Avatar
    I can pretty much guarantee these are not prototypes
    They wouldn't give you prototypes.. it doesn't make any sense :)

    What i tried to do was ISO 100-200 ONLY and the "It's Insert explitave cloudy setting"( little cloud icon for scene change)
    Nice, and just to let you know, the cloudy setting will tend to make the colors a bit warmer overall. Thanks for the samples.. good work!

    Pics look good.. I am getting used to the grain, the only thing that is kind of annoying is the edge softness.. everything is just a blur around there

    07-22-2013 10:34 AM
  13. Sniper1087's Avatar
    that hurt abouttoswitch. :*( </3

    Just wanted to share my excitement.

    Trying to do my best.I am still green at photo taking.

    Well it's fine you have to learn somewhere asking wouldnt be wrong, take a pic uploaded and ask depending n scenery what settings should be use there, and someone is bound to help you.
    07-22-2013 10:35 AM
  14. biboyflip's Avatar
    it's about hardware, 1020 has worse sensor and doesn't have dedicated DSP for oversampling
    Ignorant post
    07-22-2013 10:36 AM
  15. vlad0's Avatar
    The middle of the frames is very sharp indeed.. sharper than the 808 on auto settings



    and that's 200 iso.. not bad at all
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    07-22-2013 10:37 AM
  16. Knut_H's Avatar
    I think that a huge part of these photos not looking good is the photographer. In the majority of the photos the subject is out of focused and or overexposed. It is clear to me that this guy has no clue about how to use even the basic camera functions and it is a shame that he is the ambassador to all of the regulars here at wpcentral who are wondering about what this camera can do.
    Speak for yourself. I personally appreciate these early sample pictures, and they do look decent. Contrary to popular belief, it does not require a great deal of skill to operate a camera. These pictures give a more accurate impression of the optical and sensor performance, precisely because they are not fine-tuned to hide eventual weaknesses of the assembly. Compared to the 808, the 1020 seems to exhibit improved dynamic range due to exponential advantage of BSI with smaller photosites. More fine detail is apparent, but is mistaken for "grain" or "noise" by some in this thread, who prefer to examine the picture on a pixel level instead of judging the images by viewing them as a whole.
    Last edited by Knut_H; 10-08-2013 at 08:26 PM.
    07-22-2013 10:44 AM
  17. biboyflip's Avatar
    They wouldn't give you prototypes.. it doesn't make any sense :)



    Nice, and just to let you know, the cloudy setting will tend to make the colors a bit warmer overall. Thanks for the samples.. good work!

    Pics look good.. I am getting used to the grain, the only thing that is kind of annoying is the edge softness.. everything is just a blur around there

    http://i.imgur.com/v2JmocX.jpg
    Buddy, don't confuse the effect of shallow DOF since you have a subject in front which is the focal point. 1020 has fixed aperture of 2.2 so this is normal when you have a closer focused subject to have a blurry background. Same considerations for "bokeh" effect. By the way, 1020 produce better "bokeh" than 808 because of larger aperture size (focal length is the same).

    If you want to have a overall sharp image, then use hyper focus. Easier way to do is focus on far object in the background like in landscape photography.
    07-22-2013 10:45 AM
  18. unternull's Avatar
    I see what you did you zoomed in on the edge of the photo
    Last edited by unternull; 07-22-2013 at 11:04 AM.
    07-22-2013 10:49 AM
  19. B1zzle's Avatar
    I will be doing some thorough testing outdoors with this phone on a boat in an inlet with sun everywhere this week......
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    07-22-2013 11:15 AM
  20. unternull's Avatar
    Nice sun & sunset photos some big boats, sounds good b1zzle do it up.
    07-22-2013 11:17 AM
  21. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Guys, I have an announcement to make: the 808 takes better pictures, but it doesn't matter.

    Granted, the true beauty behind any photo is in the eye of the beholder, but for me, it's starting to become apparent that the 808 is a better shooter. Despite this, the 1020 still wins. Why? User experience.

    Most people aren't really aware of the 808, so they won't even care about it. Also, the 808 is running a dead OS, even Nokia has given up on it. Symbian is going nowhere, it's a dead end OS and thus makes the 808 a dedicated camera pretty much, that just so happens to have a phone built in.

    The 1020 still delivers the best photos and video out of any of the flagship devices (iPhone 5 Galaxy S4, HTC One, Blackberry Z10), and the 1020 is also the phone that consumers have been/will be exposed to the most.

    Yes, it's true it doesn't pack as great of a punch as the 808 or a dSLR, but that's ok. This phone wins in that it delivers a great overall experience.

    It comes in a nice, thin package, runs perhaps the most stable phone OS of all time, lots of app support, a plethora of Nokia extras, wireless charging (with a separate backplate... Sad face), 4G LTE, you name it. So what this phone lacks in terms of camera capability, it more than makes up for in everything else.

    If you're going to pick an 808 over this device, you're crazy. You're giving up an amazing user experience for the sake of a camera (which a nice, high-end dSLR can still easily beat out).

    Unlike the 808, this isn't meant /just/ for photos, rather, it's a hybrid. Pack a whooping camera in to an astounding OS, and make consumers happy. It's the bed the both worlds: a great camera in the shell of a beautiful Nokia Windows Phone 8 device.

    Trying to compare the 1020 and 808 is like comparing apples to oranges: we have a flagship phone being compared to a niche device. We have a well rounded product compared to a device for dedicated, hardcore photographers.

    Please, let the violence end. Based on he samples I've seen, the 1020 blows other flagships out of the water. Yes, I could get better pics with an 808, but for everyday life, the 1020 will be the much better choice.

    The 1020 is more than a worthy upgrade from my aging Lumia 900, and I eagerly await for my new phone to arrive (along with the free camera grip Microsoft threw in!).

    So I hope that I may act as the voice of reason, and instead of having a fandom war, I hope to come together so that we may collaborate and discuss.
    07-22-2013 11:21 AM
  22. SwimSwim's Avatar
    P.S: Sorry if my post was messy, typed it all out on my phone. ^_^
    07-22-2013 11:22 AM
  23. kennedya's Avatar
    Could someone with the same phone detail more how long it takes to go from screen off to Nokia pro app to first picture taken?
    07-22-2013 11:29 AM
  24. B1zzle's Avatar
    ..oops
    Last edited by B1zzle; 07-22-2013 at 11:30 AM. Reason: forgot to addpic
    07-22-2013 11:30 AM
  25. biboyflip's Avatar
    Guys, I have an announcement to make: the 808 takes better pictures, but it doesn't matter.

    Granted, the true beauty behind any photo is in the eye of the beholder, but for me, it's starting to become apparent that the 808 is a better shooter. Despite this, the 1020 still wins. Why? User experience.

    Most people aren't really aware of the 808, so they won't even care about it. Also, the 808 is running a dead OS, even Nokia has given up on it. Symbian is going nowhere, it's a dead end OS and thus makes the 808 a dedicated camera pretty much, that just so happens to have a phone built in.

    The 1020 still delivers the best photos and video out of any of the flagship devices (iPhone 5 Galaxy S4, HTC One, Blackberry Z10), and the 1020 is also the phone that consumers have been/will be exposed to the most.

    Yes, it's true it doesn't pack as great of a punch as the 808 or a dSLR, but that's ok. This phone wins in that it delivers a great overall experience.

    It comes in a nice, thin package, runs perhaps the most stable phone OS of all time, lots of app support, a plethora of Nokia extras, wireless charging (with a separate backplate... Sad face), 4G LTE, you name it. So what this phone lacks in terms of camera capability, it more than makes up for in everything else.

    If you're going to pick an 808 over this device, you're crazy. You're giving up an amazing user experience for the sake of a camera (which a nice, high-end dSLR can still easily beat out).

    Unlike the 808, this isn't meant /just/ for photos, rather, it's a hybrid. Pack a whooping camera in to an astounding OS, and make consumers happy. It's the bed the both worlds: a great camera in the shell of a beautiful Nokia Windows Phone 8 device.

    Trying to compare the 1020 and 808 is like comparing apples to oranges: we have a flagship phone being compared to a niche device. We have a well rounded product compared to a device for dedicated, hardcore photographers.

    Please, let the violence end. Based on he samples I've seen, the 1020 blows other flagships out of the water. Yes, I could get better pics with an 808, but for everyday life, the 1020 will be the much better choice.

    The 1020 is more than a worthy upgrade from my aging Lumia 900, and I eagerly await for my new phone to arrive (along with the free camera grip Microsoft threw in!).

    So I hope that I may act as the voice of reason, and instead of having a fandom war, I hope to come together so that we may collaborate and discuss.
    I respect your opinion buddy. We all admit the 808 is very good, a class on its own, until the 1020 has arrived. We can check the sample images, scrutinize and comment but my advise is to keep your final judgement until a proper side by side comparison is done. I am pretty sure the results will be overwhelming. Again do not be swayed by some comments and opinions for now. Some of the observation here are completely wrong and just opinions by novice users, and some are just.. trolls.. Goodluck and enjoy!
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    07-22-2013 11:31 AM
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