11-05-2013 06:02 PM
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  1. Cod3rror's Avatar
    These two photos are incredible. This was kind of what I was hoping for. Is such results not possible with the 1020? Is it a result of the hardware not being as good or the software not being tweaked enough or just not being in the hands of professionals?
    It's a combination of both, but mostly software

    HARDWARE

    Smaller sensor than 808. 30% smaller! Sensor HUGELY important in producing good images!
    No ND Filtre
    Lenses - Rumour is 1020 uses 5 plastic lenses and only one glass

    SOFTWARE

    Now this is the main culprit IMO, because for example, iPhone and Galaxy(the photos above) both use considerably smaller sensors than 1020 but produce amazing results. If you compare all Lumia series, they all exhibit exactly the same traits - Grain, noise, oil painted look, over-processing. IMO, it's Nokia's algorithms, because Samsung's ATIV S for example produces great images that look very similar to Galaxy S III. Nokia on the other hand, terribly messed up their software.

    Now, software is fixable, but don't let that gets your hopes up, because Nokia seems to think this crappy image quality is great and they don't seem to want to change and even if they wanted to, writing new algorithms is no joke. That's why Samsung, who has expertise in cameras makes great images, that's why it's amazing that Apple has managed to achieve in their iPhones, considering they have no "formal" camera expertise. Nokia had fantastic algorithms in Symbian, fine tuned for years, but software has never been Nokia's strong part, in fact it's always been their weakest... just look at Symbian(excluding the camera part of course), they messed up on Windows Phone and weren't able to port or replicate those great algorithms on WP. That's why Samsung and Apple are able to squeeze amazing results from their tiny cameras while Nokia's quality looks terrible even with a big sensor.
    07-22-2013 11:32 AM
  2. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    What noise? Look at the 5MP oversampled image, almost completely clean. And it's not out of focus, it's just the focus is on that front plant.
    I meant that close up flower shot is out of focus. If you download both other 5Mpix anf 38Mpix photos of that lake scene and then zoom in to 5Mpix and same level zoom in to that full res pic you notice that there is actually more noise in that 5Mpix shot. Look specially lower parts of those long leafed plants. I think Nokia ads noise in to those 5Mpix shot to make them look sharper instead of cleaning it up.

    That fullres pic is quite clean now when i look closer it. But when you think of it those 5Mpix aren't meant to be zoomed and that noise filter they ad isn't noticed.
    07-22-2013 11:32 AM
  3. B1zzle's Avatar
    I surely hope to g*d that no one was expecting the 1020 to be better than a dslr camera
    that would be ludicrous

    I just expect a kick **** cameraphone that will take better shots than any cameraphone i have had in my past
    which is why im paying nearly full price for this thing.

    for instance, last weekend in the inlet a pod oh dolphins came by
    as seen here
    dolphin-inlet.jpg


    now, had i been using the 1020, i wonder how much better this shot could have been including using the zoom after option.

    this was taken with my GS3
    07-22-2013 11:32 AM
  4. Cod3rror's Avatar
    I surely hope to g*d that no one was expecting the 1020 to be better than a dslr camera
    that would be ludicrous

    I just expect a kick **** cameraphone that will take better shots than any cameraphone i have had in my past
    which is why im paying nearly full price for this thing.

    for instance, last weekend in the inlet a pod oh dolphins came by
    as seen here
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    now, had i been using the 1020, i wonder how much better this shot could have been including using the zoom after option.

    this was taken with my GS3
    That looks better than what 1020 would be able to give you, and Galaxy S4 would look even better.
    07-22-2013 11:38 AM
  5. unternull's Avatar
    About 3 Mississippi
    07-22-2013 11:38 AM
  6. B1zzle's Avatar
    That looks better than what 1020 would be able to give you, and Galaxy S4 would look even better.

    we shall see soon!
    07-22-2013 11:40 AM
  7. biboyflip's Avatar
    GS4 should not even be mentioned in the discussion comparing 1020 and 808. I smell something fishy(samsung) around here.
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    07-22-2013 11:44 AM
  8. B1zzle's Avatar
    when all is said and done
    everything in this thread has been based on some sample photos taken by one individual

    the true test will occur soon by the mass populace
    and this could reveal good (i hope) or bad things

    the best thing to do is be patient, and not make assumptions until the phone is released and tested by thousands.
    biboyflip likes this.
    07-22-2013 11:47 AM
  9. ratchetjaw#AC's Avatar
    GS4 should not even be mentioned in the discussion comparing 1020 and 808. I smell something fishy(samsung) around here.
    Yeah I added that guy to my ignore list. He was getting past irritating
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    07-22-2013 11:48 AM
  10. Jnbs's Avatar
    Guys, I have an announcement to make: the 808 takes better pictures, but it doesn't matter.

    Granted, the true beauty behind any photo is in the eye of the beholder, but for me, it's starting to become apparent that the 808 is a better shooter. Despite this, the 1020 still wins. Why? User experience.

    Most people aren't really aware of the 808, so they won't even care about it. Also, the 808 is running a dead OS, even Nokia has given up on it. Symbian is going nowhere, it's a dead end OS and thus makes the 808 a dedicated camera pretty much, that just so happens to have a phone built in.

    The 1020 still delivers the best photos and video out of any of the flagship devices (iPhone 5 Galaxy S4, HTC One, Blackberry Z10), and the 1020 is also the phone that consumers have been/will be exposed to the most.

    Yes, it's true it doesn't pack as great of a punch as the 808 or a dSLR, but that's ok. This phone wins in that it delivers a great overall experience.

    It comes in a nice, thin package, runs perhaps the most stable phone OS of all time, lots of app support, a plethora of Nokia extras, wireless charging (with a separate backplate... Sad face), 4G LTE, you name it. So what this phone lacks in terms of camera capability, it more than makes up for in everything else.

    If you're going to pick an 808 over this device, you're crazy. You're giving up an amazing user experience for the sake of a camera (which a nice, high-end dSLR can still easily beat out).

    Unlike the 808, this isn't meant /just/ for photos, rather, it's a hybrid. Pack a whooping camera in to an astounding OS, and make consumers happy. It's the bed the both worlds: a great camera in the shell of a beautiful Nokia Windows Phone 8 device.

    Trying to compare the 1020 and 808 is like comparing apples to oranges: we have a flagship phone being compared to a niche device. We have a well rounded product compared to a device for dedicated, hardcore photographers.

    Please, let the violence end. Based on he samples I've seen, the 1020 blows other flagships out of the water. Yes, I could get better pics with an 808, but for everyday life, the 1020 will be the much better choice.

    The 1020 is more than a worthy upgrade from my aging Lumia 900, and I eagerly await for my new phone to arrive (along with the free camera grip Microsoft threw in!).

    So I hope that I may act as the voice of reason, and instead of having a fandom war, I hope to come together so that we may collaborate and discuss.
    You are right for most of your post, but remember that it will differ in everyone's opinion of the OS. For example, I LOVE WP, but it takes too much time from me. When I had my 620 (amazing btw), I used it all the time i was like those teenagers that never stop looking at their phones. Therefore, I felt the need to change and use a phone that it was more... well.. a phone that's why I bought the N8 from "The Marketplace." I am in love with these device the pictures are Amazing!! and Symbian still holds its own to be a "dead OS". Its responsive enough, battery lasts forever (for the smartphone category) and well its more a phone, not an entertainment device like most smartphones nowadays. Now I am looking forward to buy a CAMERA phone and I was debating whether to get the 1020 and have the whole package a phone and camera or buy an 808 and a L52x. Price wise I have found that it will be cheaper because it will cost me $450 for both a great cameraphone and a WP8 device both unlocked and ready to use on T-mo and not to have to wait for unlock codes for 6 months on a $659 phone.. I think that Nokia has to release a variant for T-mo and VZ in order to capture more users. Don't you think? I mean i am willing to spend the full price for the phone, but AT&T is so EVIL that they will not give me the Unlock code (it takes forever)

    The answer is IT ALWAYS DEPENDS ON YOUR CASE!! Mine PVW 808 + L52X..

    T-mo users take the risk and try to unlock

    VZW users are screwed unless they release a variant

    BTW I think that Cod3rr IS exaggerating (TROLL) when he says that the 1020 is garbage.. Dude the pictures are great, yes its no PVW 808, but still its a great device that takes good enough pictures for your "instagram needs" lol
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    07-22-2013 11:49 AM
  11. Jnbs's Avatar
    GS4 should not even be mentioned in the discussion comparing 1020 and 808. I smell something fishy(samsung) around here.
    Dude he IS a TROLL, just review his posts on this thread.. All he says is.. "1020 is garbage, GS4 and Iphone5 are better"
    biboyflip likes this.
    07-22-2013 11:50 AM
  12. unternull's Avatar
    Lets all be nice now please?

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    07-22-2013 11:58 AM
  13. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Ignorant post
    care elaborate?

    Guys, I have an announcement to make: the 808 takes better pictures, but it doesn't matter.
    it does, for many of us

    Also, the 808 is running a dead OS, even Nokia has given up on it. Symbian is going nowhere, it's a dead end OS and thus makes the 808 a dedicated camera pretty much, that just so happens to have a phone built in.
    Symbian had more updates in 2013 than WP...so get your facts straight, also 808 has many useful features WP phones has not

    Dude he IS a TROLL, just review his posts on this thread.. All he says is.. "1020 is garbage, GS4 and Iphone5 are better"
    yes he is, the bad thing is Nokia did such a "good" job that he is sometimes right...
    07-22-2013 12:04 PM
  14. ALpHa.Q.RoUgH's Avatar
    Lol.. 500+ later and you guys are still arguing. I wonder if this will get to 1000 posts before the actual phone is generally released.
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    07-22-2013 12:05 PM
  15. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Lets all be nice now please?

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Post more photos and we will be nice Any chance for those night photos from town?
    07-22-2013 12:06 PM
  16. LumiaChemist's Avatar
    Lumia 1020
    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=8aa12...CfteRxdPYYG4M4
    taken with iso 200 in low light (shutter speed 1/60)


    808 Pureview
    https://secure.flickr.com/photos/det...l-808pureview/
    taken with iso 64 with much more light (shutter speed 1/286)
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    07-22-2013 12:32 PM
  17. unternull's Avatar
    Thats still tentative for tonight

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    07-22-2013 12:36 PM
  18. gazmatic's Avatar
    am def buying the 1020

    what grainy issues can be resolved with software update

    i prefer natural colors though

    hope they give us the option to turn off oversampling
    07-22-2013 12:50 PM
  19. kennedya's Avatar
    Thats still tentative for tonight

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Could you take a few macro shots outside in sunny conditions with everything fully auto? Like flowers, pinecones etc.

    Thank you!
    07-22-2013 12:51 PM
  20. kalel_1000's Avatar
    Lumia 1020
    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=8aa12...CfteRxdPYYG4M4
    taken with iso 200 in low light (shutter speed 1/60)


    808 Pureview
    https://secure.flickr.com/photos/det...l-808pureview/
    taken with iso 64 with much more light (shutter speed 1/286)
    Thats just sad. What a disgrace to the pureview name established by the 808.

    I will repeat myself again btw, I will bet any one 100 dollars that in daylight comparisons, the 1020 will end up looking like a toy camera compared to the 808.
    07-22-2013 12:57 PM
  21. LumiaChemist's Avatar
    1020vs808.jpg

    I dont see the 808 outperforming the 1020 at all. especially considering more than double amount of iso sensitivity in the lumia 1020 picture.
    (you can click on the image to better view noise, i resized with nearest neigbour to isolate noise)
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    07-22-2013 12:57 PM
  22. Sniper1087's Avatar
    So cod3rror got banned, no wonder after causing so much trouble, at least makes me feel at ease that there are moderators taking care of the forums.

    back to the topic i would like to see some comparisons with current flagships, note 2, s4, iphone 5, htc one, BB z10, and i wouldnt doubt it this would be compared later on with the honami, got to love competition, bring it on I want to see more innovation.
    07-22-2013 01:07 PM
  23. unternull's Avatar
    I dont think there is a macro shot on here i would have to manually focus. Suggested ISO anyone for close up stuff?
    07-22-2013 01:17 PM
  24. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
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    I dont see the 808 outperforming the 1020 at all. especially considering more than double amount of iso sensitivity in the lumia 1020 picture.
    (you can click on the image to better view noise, i resized with nearest neigbour to isolate noise)
    This is as close as a comparison shot between the two that we can get at the moment, generally the same scenery and light conditions.And the 1020 kind of wins . Sharpness is better and therw's no real tradeoff for noise. Aside from rightmost part of the 1020's image that is off. To me if daylight images are of comparable quality, then there's no question which is the better overall camera, given the OIS and the new procam UI. Can't wait for those indepth real comparisons to come out. Especially with iphone5, galaxy s4 and all the others in the mix.
    07-22-2013 01:22 PM
  25. B T C's Avatar
    Nokia is announcing something big tomorrow. I'm anticipating that they have duct taped an 808 to a 1020 to give us the 1828.
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    07-22-2013 01:27 PM
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