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  1. bygbyron3's Avatar
    808 had a 1/1.2" sensor versus the 1020's 1/1.5" sensor and Nokia laid off the noise reduction for a more accurate picture. Graininess is unavoidable with such a powerful sensor in a small package. Adjusting settings such as ISO and post-shot software help with the graininess.

    I'm very impressed with how the 1020 helps with adjusting settings and the tutorial in Nokia Pro Camera. I don't know **** about photography but am taking some amazing shots.
    07-19-2013 07:20 PM
  2. lerimer's Avatar
    I can do more pictures if need be

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Is the ff camera on the 1020 the same or is it better than the 920's?
    07-19-2013 07:21 PM
  3. crash1989's Avatar
    07-19-2013 07:31 PM
  4. cj-m's Avatar
    Am I the only one who thinks most of the 1020 pics look better?
    +1
    07-19-2013 07:35 PM
  5. John Lam's Avatar
    How quick is the shutter release (the amount of time from the time you press the camera button to the time the camera actually takes the picture) on the 1020? Is it faster than the 920?

    Thanks.
    07-19-2013 07:35 PM
  6. glass's Avatar
    I agree with dkp23, I want to see a picture of both phones. Take a picture of your Lumia 1020 using your Lumia 920.
    Still waiting on this happening.
    07-19-2013 07:40 PM
  7. mrchampipi's Avatar
    NDA is lifted on 1020 but they don't want us sharing pictures.
    Could you please ellaborate a bit on that?
    I find it strange that Nokia doen't want journalists/users to show the capabilities of the 1020's camera, make it sound like it's not as good as advertised.
    07-19-2013 07:47 PM
  8. Mad Strings's Avatar
    How is the front facing camera compared to the 920? Can we see sample pics from that? And also, I like the 1020 pics more, but the Amber update may really may make my 920 as good as the 1020 so I'll wait, at least for the update and a price drop. Maybe a Snapdragon 800 processor version later this year?
    07-19-2013 07:48 PM
  9. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    Looks like there is no variable aperture nor ND filter in this generation

    Most images are taken at F2.2 - with shutter going as faster as 1/2500 to compensate for the brightness.

    Curious how it would cope.
    07-19-2013 07:48 PM
  10. bygbyron3's Avatar
    Could you please ellaborate a bit on that?
    I find it strange that Nokia doen't want journalists/users to show the capabilities of the 1020's camera, make it sound like it's not as good as advertised.
    I was told by Nokia not to share pictures taken with the phone until it's launched. That's all I can really share, sorry.
    07-19-2013 07:53 PM
  11. bygbyron3's Avatar
    How quick is the shutter release (the amount of time from the time you press the camera button to the time the camera actually takes the picture) on the 1020? Is it faster than the 920?

    Thanks.
    1/16000 to 4s.
    07-19-2013 07:54 PM
  12. LMZR's Avatar
    The 1020 appears to be really impressive with it's camera, How is performance on the OS?
    07-19-2013 07:55 PM
  13. biboyflip's Avatar
    I believe 808 has fixed aperture also at 2.4, N86 however has variable. ND filter is not present in 1020 as confirmed by Pureview engrs. One of the advantage of 808, aside from the much larger sensor, is having iso 50 which is better in bright outdoor shots for lesser noise.
    07-19-2013 07:56 PM
  14. texantony's Avatar
    I just noticed my white balance was set to sunny changing it to another setting removes the orange tinge. Major I will send you new pics

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Does this mean all the pictures taken with the 1020 and posted here had the white balance set to "sunny"?
    07-19-2013 08:07 PM
  15. the_coolestnerd's Avatar
    I want to see the low light shots
    07-19-2013 08:08 PM
  16. jmerrey's Avatar
    Yes, just like the 925.
    This is truly awful news. I wonder what the trouble is, the 900 amoled screen was wonderful in this regard.
    07-19-2013 08:14 PM
  17. Sam Not Spam's Avatar
    The 1020 appears to be really impressive with it's camera, How is performance on the OS?
    I'd like to know as well. Does the extra RAM seem to benefit anything else besides the camera?
    07-19-2013 08:15 PM
  18. benrp's Avatar
    What is the black camera hump made of?
    07-19-2013 08:18 PM
  19. husam2277's Avatar
    Yes, just like the 925.
    thanks, the flickering issue is so much annoying on my 925, the text blur and images shadow trail is bad also but i can live with it.. Sad to hear that these issues also available in the 1020... Just wondering if this can be reduced with software update.. Amoled is not that much bad thats why im thinking of a software improvement...
    07-19-2013 08:22 PM
  20. rmmoore80's Avatar
    Those uncompressed, full resolution photos are absolutely outstanding. Look at one of the ones where the guy is setting up the microphone and zoom in. Look at all the city details down below.
    umza likes this.
    07-19-2013 08:36 PM
  21. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Ok, I must admit, these photos are rather underwhelming, and so now I'm having second thoughts on pre-ordering this device.

    But other than the camera, how's the phone itself? Screen? Performance? How does it feel to hold? Does the extra RAM help at all? How's the battery life? Is call quality good? All this and more I'd like to know.

    Also, more uncompressed Nokia 1020 photos would be great, because the email app on WP compresses the photos before sending them, so we don't see the photos in their full glory, and you can't upload the full rez. photos to SkyDrive from the phone itself (you have to do that from a computer). So if we could get more full resolution photos, that'd be great, it would help with comparison.

    Nonetheless, the 1020's camera doesn't seem to be as amazing as it was hyped up to be, this looks like another sunken flagship. I might still buy it though, seeing as it's a worthy upgrade over my aging Lumia 900, and it's still thinner and lighter than the Lumia 920.
    07-19-2013 08:49 PM
  22. jhoff80's Avatar
    The 900 was also a RGB AMOLED. The 925 and 1020 are PenTile.
    07-19-2013 08:55 PM
  23. biboyflip's Avatar
    Ok, I must admit, these photos are rather underwhelming, and so now I'm having second thoughts on pre-ordering this device.

    But other than the camera, how's the phone itself? Screen? Performance? How does it feel to hold? Does the extra RAM help at all? How's the battery life? Is call quality good? All this and more I'd like to know.

    Also, more uncompressed Nokia 1020 photos would be great, because the email app on WP compresses the photos before sending them, so we don't see the photos in their full glory, and you can't upload the full rez. photos to SkyDrive from the phone itself (you have to do that from a computer). So if we could get more full resolution photos, that'd be great, it would help with comparison.

    Nonetheless, the 1020's camera doesn't seem to be as amazing as it was hyped up to be, this looks like another sunken flagship. I might still buy it though, seeing as it's a worthy upgrade over my aging Lumia 900, and it's still thinner and lighter than the Lumia 920.

    check out these photos from crash1989
    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=B152D...IhI2jWNbbywbu4
    07-19-2013 08:59 PM
  24. vlad0's Avatar
    Can you please right click on a video clip you recorded with the 1020, click on details, and post what it says under audio and video.. I want to see the audio recording bitrate.

    And.. thanks a lot for all the information!! Great work :)

    I believe 808 has fixed aperture also at 2.4, N86 however has variable. ND filter is not present in 1020 as confirmed by Pureview engrs. One of the advantage of 808, aside from the much larger sensor, is having iso 50 which is better in bright outdoor shots for lesser noise.
    Correct. In fact, you can force 50iso in low light scenes as well... steady hand is required.

    Example: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...0408mIyB7F.jpg

    All pics are compressed you can tell a pic size of 600kb, definitely not the right size for the full size
    If its the distilled 5mpix image 600kb is possible.. I've gotten sub 1mb images from my 808 plenty of times. If anything, it means that the algorithm is working and its cleaning up all the junk from the jpeg.

    Nice! I resized them down to 8-9Mpix and its looking good.. still a bit of blur towards the edge of the frame, but.. its pretty wide so..

    The 808 has the same problem, but less pixels seem to be affected by it.

    In terms of IQ .. I still think its a bit behind the 808, but 99.9% of people using it out there won't know, or won't care.. so it doesn't matter.

    What most people don't understand is that the images you are seeing here are much, much bigger in terms of resolution compared to any other phone (expect one..) so when you look at it @ 100% it won't be any different from any other phone using 1.12 micron pixels. Okay.. it will be based on optics/jpeg processing .. but overall, the difference won't be that big.

    What matters here is the pixel density, and in order to take advantage of it.. you need to oversample/combine the pixels so that you can get a cleaner image.

    It will be very, very hard for Nokia to portray this to the masses... I just don't see it happening.

    Everyone will look at the pics at full size and be like.. meh.. while they don't understand that their iPhone sooo far away from this monster can do
    Last edited by vlad0; 07-19-2013 at 09:28 PM.
    07-19-2013 09:10 PM
  25. bygbyron3's Avatar
    Bit rate : 256 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Last edited by bygbyron3; 07-19-2013 at 10:28 PM.
    07-19-2013 09:20 PM
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