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  1. rmmoore80's Avatar
    The original pics are not good examples, likely the 5MP compressed versions. View the images on the skydrive link and click "View Originals"
    07-19-2013 09:27 PM
  2. bygbyron3's Avatar
    The original pics are not good examples, likely the 5MP compressed versions. View the images on the skydrive link and click "View Originals"
    Even then, they are not full 34/38 MP shots, as SkyDrive only uploads the 5 MP version from phones. Only ways I know of to get the full 34/38 MP copies online are by connecting it to my computer or AT&T locker.
    07-19-2013 09:32 PM
  3. vlad0's Avatar
    Bit rate : 256 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Great!!! Thank you..

    So exactly the same as the 808.. good news
    07-19-2013 09:42 PM
  4. rmmoore80's Avatar
    I thought the ones on the skydrive were uploaded correctly via PC?
    07-19-2013 09:45 PM
  5. rmmoore80's Avatar
    From my calculations the images on the skydrive are 30MP+ and are ~9MBs in size. Am I wrong?
    07-19-2013 09:49 PM
  6. bygbyron3's Avatar
    From my calculations the images on the skydrive are 30MP+ and are ~9MBs in size. Am I wrong?
    That would be correct but aren't these the original ones (unternull's):

    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=2e43e...DRuOGpAnAK-LwM

    Crash1989's pictures from SkyDrive are full resolution.
    07-19-2013 10:05 PM
  7. vlad0's Avatar
    1632 x 918 is too low for it be original : )
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    07-19-2013 10:09 PM
  8. prjkthack's Avatar
    So far in almost every photo that's been posted taken by a 1020, its looked better. Maybe not a ton better, but better. Can't forget that the 920 was an excellent camera phone (if not one of the best), so I probably wouldn't compare shots to it, but the 1020 definitely is sharper, despite some grain, and the colors just look more accurate and vivid. I think the colors look especially good to be honest.

    I have not been disappointed. This is going to be a great camera to have and a great phone. If I wanted a DSLR, I would have bought one, but by far these are some of the best shots I've seen from a phone. Ever.
    geekaren and fleeper like this.
    07-19-2013 10:39 PM
  9. unternull's Avatar
    Will post more pics tomorrow out drinkin lol

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
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    07-19-2013 10:40 PM
  10. prjkthack's Avatar
    Will post more pics tomorrow out drinkin lol

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Perfect opportunity to take some low light photos and test out that Xenon flash. ;)
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    07-19-2013 10:43 PM
  11. anon(5959407)'s Avatar
    Will post more pics tomorrow out drinkin lol

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Please post the originals from both phones with the next batch. Most of the photos posted in the previous pages seem to be resized and fairly compressed.
    tissotti likes this.
    07-19-2013 11:28 PM
  12. anon(5959407)'s Avatar
    1632 x 918 is too low for it be original : )
    1.5MP vs 33.5MP ... Seems legit ;)
    07-19-2013 11:33 PM
  13. FFugue's Avatar
    I like what I see so far. I don't think it's more noisy than the 920, it's just that the images are sharper than the 920, which is a good thing! The 920 images look like low quality jpgs since they're more blurry. If you take the 1020 images and blur them a little in Photoshop to get the same look as the 920 you won't see the noise anymore. Anyway the noise can be removed later if needed. And the level of noise we see isn't bad at all, especially for a phone camera. I've seen much worse on some 3000+$ DSLRs in those lighting conditions.

    Also, for people saying that it's more noisy than the 808 because the pixels are smaller... actually, it doesn't really have anything to do with pixel dimension. The reason smaller pixels are more noisy is because it's more difficult to create a good quality small pixel. Like everything electronic, it's hard to fit the same technology in a smaller space, so yes smaller pixels tend to be more noisy. But at the same time, a smaller sensor from today will be less noisy than a bigger sensor from two years ago since technology is getting better and better. So we can't really compare the sensors from the 808 and 1020 based on their size alone since the quality of the individual pixels has changed since the 808 was released.
    aaa6112 and TechAbstract like this.
    07-20-2013 12:08 AM
  14. vlad0's Avatar
    Its the size of the sensor that matters the most, then optics.. then processing : ) The lens on the 1020 is much sharper than the one on the 920

    1.5MP vs 33.5MP ... Seems legit ;)
    Ya.. pureview mode pics on the 1020 come at

    3072 x 1728 in 16:9

    I just noticed an interesting difference between the pureview pics from the two phones. The 1020 uses 95% jpeg compression in full auto mode, and the 808 uses 85% by default, which means that the pics from the 1020 will always be bigger in terms of file size compared to the 808.

    So my previous statement about the file sizes is incorrect.. I don't think you will see very many 1020 images bellow 1mb .. they will probably be around the 2mb mark.
    07-20-2013 12:14 AM
  15. Geronimo928's Avatar
    Can you please right click on a video clip you recorded with the 1020, click on details, and post what it says under audio and video.. I want to see the audio recording bitrate.

    And.. thanks a lot for all the information!! Great work :)



    Correct. In fact, you can force 50iso in low light scenes as well... steady hand is required.

    Example: http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam...0408mIyB7F.jpg



    If its the distilled 5mpix image 600kb is possible.. I've gotten sub 1mb images from my 808 plenty of times. If anything, it means that the algorithm is working and its cleaning up all the junk from the jpeg.



    Nice! I resized them down to 8-9Mpix and its looking good.. still a bit of blur towards the edge of the frame, but.. its pretty wide so..

    The 808 has the same problem, but less pixels seem to be affected by it.

    In terms of IQ .. I still think its a bit behind the 808, but 99.9% of people using it out there won't know, or won't care.. so it doesn't matter.

    What most people don't understand is that the images you are seeing here are much, much bigger in terms of resolution compared to any other phone (expect one..) so when you look at it @ 100% it won't be any different from any other phone using 1.12 micron pixels. Okay.. it will be based on optics/jpeg processing .. but overall, the difference won't be that big.

    What matters here is the pixel density, and in order to take advantage of it.. you need to oversample/combine the pixels so that you can get a cleaner image.

    It will be very, very hard for Nokia to portray this to the masses... I just don't see it happening.

    Everyone will look at the pics at full size and be like.. meh.. while they don't understand that their iPhone sooo far away from this monster can do
    So in lamen terms? lol I was thinking generally that Nokia really needs to sell this concept well....I was looking at the 1020 pics on my l920 earlier and could not see a difference in the them until I came to my laptop...I wonder how many people are seeing the pics on their phones...even the ones Nokia officially posts up and say....meh....what's the difference...it all looks the same. But what do I know...I know nothing of photography...just know when I don't like something.
    07-20-2013 12:47 AM
  16. Bahamen's Avatar
    The sample pictures that nokia put out are just as noisy if you look at them. the pictures posted are the same resolutions so look at them yourself. both at automatic settings. I posted the image to skydrive if you follow the link. the exif data is there. The sensor is smaller then the 808's size wise. so each of the 41mp will be smaller. Which means more noise and things introduced into the picture. that's why a 6megapixel dslr camera can produce better pictures then a 10 megapixel point and shoot. the physical sensor is bigger.

    Also the great sample pictures were taken outside which will have less grain in them.
    There's no point comparing to the 808, they are never meant to be competitors. the right comparison should be vis-a-vis the 920, iphone and galaxy s4. The 1020's sensor size although slightly smaller than the 808's, it's still 4 times larger than the other normal phones. This fact alone means the hardware capability already far exceeds all other phones. I would in fact argue that due to the OIS, it is a more compelling camera package compared to the 808 in spite of the sensor size. I'm certain that any issues are software related and will be fixed in due time. We've seen that happen with the 808 and 920, and in both cases some changes to the imaging algorithm made a huge difference. I currently have both the 808 and 920 and I will definitely get the 1020 as soon as it becomes available.
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    07-20-2013 01:47 AM
  17. JustToClarify's Avatar
    There's no point comparing to the 808,
    but WP people just don't care for that "1020 is newer and it must be better than 808"

    look at this, from this thread

    No its all good! The 1020 has all the gear to trump even the 808. Don't bother listening to their feel good comments. Others just can not accept the fact that 808 is the past. Carry on
    Just a bunch of nonsense...people seem not to get that things from the "past" actually can be better..a lot better.
    07-20-2013 02:33 AM
  18. glass's Avatar
    Will post more pics tomorrow out drinkin lol

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Post a photo of the 1020 taken with the 920.

    It's not that I doubt those are really taken with a 1020, it's... oh, actually, that's exactly what it is.
    07-20-2013 03:36 AM
  19. mywang's Avatar
    I see no embedded color profiles in every shot from 1020. Take care if you are using a wide gamma screen without proper color management.
    The in-phone scaling algorithm seem a lot of room to improve. You will get far better results by proper post-processing.

    original 5M OOC
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1020-pro-3.jpg

    Scaling in photoshop, sharpen ,and assign SRGB 41MP->5MP
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...-3_SRGB_5M.jpg

    Anyone see the differences?
    Last edited by mywang; 07-20-2013 at 04:07 AM.
    07-20-2013 03:54 AM
  20. JustToClarify's Avatar
    yeah it's noticeable...

    OP can you tell us if it's possible to open full res photos on your phone?!
    07-20-2013 04:46 AM
  21. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    I see no embedded color profiles in every shot from 1020. Take care if you are using a wide gamma screen without proper color management.
    The in-phone scaling algorithm seem a lot of room to improve. You will get far better results by proper post-processing.

    original 5M OOC
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1020-pro-3.jpg

    Scaling in photoshop, sharpen ,and assign SRGB 41MP->5MP
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...-3_SRGB_5M.jpg

    Anyone see the differences?
    Yours photo shopped pic has warmer colour tone and it is not so sharp like original downscaled image from Nokia. Yours also does not have so much noise but it is only visible when zoomed in. That also makes yours pic less sharp.

    I have to say that i prefer Nokias image more.
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    07-20-2013 05:35 AM
  22. mywang's Avatar
    Just another try
    ASSIGN ADOBE RGB -> CONVERT to SRGB, scaling, increase sharpen level,
    feel too saturate for my taste
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64797097/Nokia/nokia-lumia-1020-pro-highres-3_ADOBERGB2SRGB_5M.jpg


    Yours photo shopped pic has warmer colour tone and it is not so sharp like original downscaled image from Nokia. Yours also does not have so much noise but it is only visible when zoomed in. That also makes yours pic less sharp.

    I have to say that i prefer Nokias image more.
    07-20-2013 06:04 AM
  23. Firenze89's Avatar
    What is the black camera hump made of?
    Ceramic, just like the side buttons on your 920 but with a grainy texture

    EDIT: A new official statement from Nokia says its aluminium.
    Sorry for the misinformation. I had it from serious sources that it was ceramic and it even looks and feels really close to what you have on a 920...
    Last edited by Firenze89; 07-22-2013 at 01:28 PM.
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    07-20-2013 06:12 AM
  24. Viipottaja's Avatar
    I have a 1020 also, and I think the pictures are much better than they were on my 920. I can't do comparisons though because I had to give the 920 back to get the 1020.
    Please post some, and from more varied conditions and in more varied settings than those of unternull. And thanks undernull!
    [if others have replied already]
    07-20-2013 06:31 AM
  25. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Just another try
    ASSIGN ADOBE RGB -> CONVERT to SRGB, scaling, increase sharpen level,
    feel too saturate for my taste
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64797097/Nokia/nokia-lumia-1020-pro-highres-3_ADOBERGB2SRGB_5M.jpg
    Toomuch red and lots of highlights lost from darker areas. Man's shirt is almost same colour with door behind him. Too much contrast i think. Sharpnes is better compared to first try, but if you zoom in to women's fingers there is noticeably less details visible vs Nokia image.
    07-20-2013 06:38 AM
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