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  1. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I see no embedded color profiles in every shot from 1020. Take care if you are using a wide gamma screen without proper color management.
    The in-phone scaling algorithm seem a lot of room to improve. You will get far better results by proper post-processing.

    original 5M OOC
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...1020-pro-3.jpg

    Scaling in photoshop, sharpen ,and assign SRGB 41MP->5MP
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...-3_SRGB_5M.jpg

    Anyone see the differences?
    Interesting, both are good, but the original is still very usable even without any alterations. Shows a lot of detail, nice, crisp and sharp, and not nearly as much noise as in other photos we've seen thus far.

    This new photo to surface looks excellent, this is what I was expecting from this phone.
    07-20-2013 06:38 AM
  2. majortom1981's Avatar
    Yeah the ones on my sky drive (uternull emailed me the pics and I put them on my skydrive) were reduced to 1.5 megapixel because he emailed them to me from the phone. Both 920 and 1020 pics of his were reduced so they can still be compaired since they were both reduced to the same resolution.

    you would have to ask him if he emailed me the 38megapixel ones or the 5 megapixel ones.
    07-20-2013 07:12 AM
  3. Dexterrino's Avatar
    post comparison for:

    indoors
    indoors (no light) - with flash / no flash
    landscapes/scenery at day
    landscape/scenery at night
    macro shot - flowers
    07-20-2013 07:27 AM
  4. biboyflip's Avatar
    but WP people just don't care for that "1020 is newer and it must be better than 808"

    look at this, from this thread



    Just a bunch of nonsense...people seem not to get that things from the "past" actually can be better..a lot better.
    What I see as a bunch of non sense are the conviction of "some" 808 owners that based on such samples alone that a conclusion can be made already that 808 beats 1020. There is no side to side comparison yet. The shooting scenarios are limited, and also this is like the first production firmware version. Yes 808 has some advantage such as ND filter and iso 50, a *larger sensor FSI but even this is still debatable since a bit smaller BSI sensor perhaps can produce the same. What others here are trying to ignore are the fact the 1020 has a newer version of sensor, better RGB sensor for color reproduction, 6th element lense, OISv2, higher ISO capabilities, upto 4s ET, and faster exposure time. The "noise" that most guys are complaining about could be corrected by firmware upgrade. The 1020 will produce much sharper 5MP version of image compared to 808.

    Overall, the 1020 will give outstanding result in different scenario, be it in daylight, moving subject, moving shooter, night photography, concerts etc. And this guarantee came from Pureview Engineers themselves and not from some internet users. So I tend to believe them more than you.
    Last edited by biboyflip; 07-20-2013 at 07:56 AM.
    07-20-2013 07:35 AM
  5. Dexterrino's Avatar
    polycarbonate like the body.

    EDIT: its actually aluminium
    Last edited by Dexterrino; 07-24-2013 at 12:55 PM.
    07-20-2013 07:50 AM
  6. unternull's Avatar
    Ok im up now time to go picture hunting, after breakfast :)

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    07-20-2013 07:57 AM
  7. ephraimg's Avatar
    check out these photos from crash1989
    https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=B152D...IhI2jWNbbywbu4
    These look pretty good, IMO. Nothing to compare to, but I'd be happy with this type of performance.
    07-20-2013 08:02 AM
  8. unternull's Avatar
    Oh and all photos I have had major upload say in the picture info say jpeg(5mp) + (34 mp) . The only other setting there is is. Jpeg (5 mp)

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    07-20-2013 08:02 AM
  9. unternull's Avatar
    Now as far as getting the fukl res photo to you skydrive is the best answer?

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    07-20-2013 08:05 AM
  10. JustToClarify's Avatar
    What I see as a bunch of non sense are the conviction of "some" 808 owners that based on such samples alone that a conclusion can be made already that 808 beats 1020. There is no side to side comparison yet. The shooting scenarios are limited, and also this is like the first production firmware version. Yes 808 has some advantage such as ND filter and iso 50, a *larger sensor FSI but even this is still debatable since a bit smaller BSI sensor perhaps can produce the same. What others here are trying to ignore are the fact the 1020 has a newer version of sensor, better RGB sensor for color reproduction, 6th element lense, OISv2, higher ISO capabilities, upto 4s ET, and faster exposure time. The "noise" that most guys are complaining about could be corrected by firmware upgrade. The 1020 will produce much sharper 5MP version of image compared to 808.

    Overall, the 1020 will give outstanding result in different scenario, be it in daylight, moving subject, moving shooter, night photography, concerts etc. And this guarantee came from Pureview Engineers themselves and not from some internet users. So I tend to believe them more than you.
    they work for the company that tries to sell the product, of course they will say all the best for it, how hard is that to grasp for an adult?! Some people just like to buy the newest and most expensive things and to justify that because "newest is the best". It's not always like that, sorry.
    07-20-2013 08:19 AM
  11. majortom1981's Avatar
    The best way is to take the pics and then upload them to skydrive by connecting your phone to your pc. The phone will down convert them if you do it anyother way.
    07-20-2013 08:21 AM
  12. biboyflip's Avatar
    they work for the company that tries to sell the product, of course they will say all the best for it, how hard is that to grasp for an adult?! Some people just like to buy the newest and most expensive things and to justify that because "newest is the best". It's not always like that, sorry.
    I just can not believe what you've just said. I don't know if you are trying to demean the same engineers who created and patented the Pureview technologies, yes same engineers of 808 as plain marketing guys.
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    07-20-2013 08:33 AM
  13. JustToClarify's Avatar
    they are not marketing guys but they still work for the company and their job actually depends on success of those products they make
    07-20-2013 09:36 AM
  14. Jeff Schaub's Avatar
    Sorry, I had to register just for this. Anyone who is trying to pass judgement on any camera/phone based on a few pictures that someone (who clearly has no knowledge of anything photography, read his posts) took inside of a GameStop or Walmart is ridiculous. Wait for someone who actually knows how things like aperture, ISO, white balance, and an insane amount of file compression (in this case) can affect a photo.

    If all you ever do is take pictures in Auto mode (like 90% of all people with a DSLR these days who walk around thinking they are professionals because they spent a lot on a camera) than you are right, you would be better off with a 920.

    If you take a $3500 Canon 5D Mark 3 and take a pic in auto mode, take a pic with a $100 Canon Powershot in auto mode, then compress them both down to a 500kb file, they will look pretty similar.

    Apples are not being compared to apples here.
    07-20-2013 09:45 AM
  15. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
    Sorry, I had to register just for this. Anyone who is trying to pass judgement on any camera/phone based on a few pictures that someone (who clearly has no knowledge of anything photography, read his posts) took inside of a GameStop or Walmart is ridiculous. Wait for someone who actually knows how things like aperture, ISO, white balance, and an insane amount of file compression (in this case) can affect a photo.

    If all you ever do is take pictures in Auto mode (like 90% of all people with a DSLR these days who walk around thinking they are professionals because they spent a lot on a camera) than you are right, you would be better off with a 920.

    If you take a $3500 Canon 5D Mark 3 and take a pic in auto mode, take a pic with a $100 Canon Powershot in auto mode, then compress them both down to a 500kb file, they will look pretty similar.

    Apples are not being compared to apples here.
    Absolutely spot on comment! taking pictures of boxes of beers from about 1m distance will wield almost identical results from pretty much any camera. Don't know what's with that community, Nokia gives you something to be proud of, that no other OEM currently have in their products, and all the WP dudes start complaining that an EOL-ed device 'presumably' takes a tad better photos in FULL resolution when viewed at an extreme zoom. Comon enough with the pixel hunting, look at the sample photos from nokia, look at the photos from the rooftops posted here, and the ones from that demo unit, and ask yourself 'can my current phone provide such detail and capabilities?' Because that's what you're going to be upgrading from. Yes, not the 808 unicorn, not from anything else but you own current smartphone. And you most definetily won't be drooling over photos of beer boxes.....ever.
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    07-20-2013 10:02 AM
  16. majortom1981's Avatar
    THe problem is this is a phone. If I am going to go through all the trouble of changing those settings then why don't I just bringa really good point and shoot with me or a dslr in the first place?

    The auto settings HAVE TO BE GOOD. that's the whole point. if I change all those settings I will miss the shot with a phone camera. Also the fact that this phone is $100 more on contract then the 920 is a big deal .

    This is being marketed as the best camera in a phone period. Yet the pictures are not hugely better then the 920 being used in day to day uses.

    Besides the megapixels a lot of what the phone can do will be ported over to the 920. the pro camera software is coming to the 920 also.
    07-20-2013 10:11 AM
  17. BootsMcGavin's Avatar
    The biggest problem in having with the camera on mine is the color reproduction. Everything looks kinda yellow, and it seems like the pictures adjust themselves to look even more yellow as soon as I go to review it. Its driving me nuts! Are you having the same issue at all?
    07-20-2013 10:18 AM
  18. SuperSport's Avatar
    ...The 1020's sensor size although slightly smaller than the 808's, it's still 4 times larger than the other normal phones.
    I find this strange, because during the 1020 Reveal, they said the 1020 has the largest sensor found on ANY consumer device. Not just cell phones, but ANY device. Were they lying, mistake? Is it truly larger, or is the 808 larger??? Strange...

    See this video and watch at 26:37


    PS: I'm buying the 1020, so I'm not knocking it, but I'm just trying to get the facts straight.
    Last edited by SuperSport; 07-20-2013 at 10:48 AM.
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    07-20-2013 10:24 AM
  19. Jeff Schaub's Avatar
    THe problem is this is a phone.
    Yes, a phone with an insanely nice camera marketed to people who have a clue about photography. Put ANYTHING in auto mode and it will come out looking similar, as the Nokia algorithms are probably similar if not identical between the two phones. Again, this is just like spending thousands on a pro DSLR and leaving it in auto mode then wondering why your shots come out looking not much better than your $100 point and shoot.

    This camera will have far more potential that 99% of the people buying it will need and/or even know how to use. But as I've said, auto vs. auto it won't make much difference vs. the 920 besides the ability to crop without loss of detail. That alone is a big deal that is completely ignored in this thread.
    07-20-2013 10:26 AM
  20. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
    So let's recap: The ability to zoom loslessly into a picture before and after you take a shot, oversampling to 5mp autosaved to your device, which is clearly sharper than anything the 920 or any other phone can do, and for you that still isn't an upgrade? To me the shots I've seen are clearly better in color reproduction and dynamic range than the ones the 920 produces. I'll take that anyday for some more gentle luminance noise here and there...
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    07-20-2013 10:29 AM
  21. jhoff80's Avatar
    The "noise" that most guys are complaining about could be corrected by firmware upgrade.
    I hope not, to be honest. The 920 goes too far in the other direction, where noise reduction seems to be performed at the expense of sharpness and detail. From the sample pictures I saw, I much prefer the algorithm they're using in the 1020, where yes, there's some visible noise, but the detail also remains in every part of the image.

    And as for the person downsampling the image in Photoshop... I'm sorry, but Nokia's is much better. The colors of course are slightly different (but to be honest, you can still tweak them in the Nokia image if you want), and Nokia's is more detailed.
    umza likes this.
    07-20-2013 10:31 AM
  22. theefman's Avatar
    So let's recap: The ability to zoom loslessly into a picture before and after you take a shot, oversampling to 5mp autosaved to your device, which is clearly sharper than anything the 920 or any other phone can do, and for you that still isn't an upgrade? ...
    Nope, not until its powered by 50 warp cores and dylithium crystals....
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    07-20-2013 10:34 AM
  23. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
    Nope, not until its powered by 50 warp cores and dylithium crystals....
    And a lens suspended in a magnetic field controlled by tiny little workers from mars...yeah that will probably do
    ZkT likes this.
    07-20-2013 10:39 AM
  24. unternull's Avatar
    I will attempt to take more pictures of perhaps a landscape a house and download them to the pc and upload accordingly. I apologize I am a camera noob.

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    07-20-2013 10:45 AM
  25. unternull's Avatar
    Also if you want to request a certain type of picture I will try to get it

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    07-20-2013 10:47 AM
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