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  1. lstrike's Avatar
    That could be. But, does that mean the 808 is not BSI?
    Correct the 808 does not have a BSI sensor.
    07-20-2013 03:22 PM
  2. Cod3rror's Avatar
    LOL, just as suspected, 1020 is garbage. Even 920, which is bad on it's own, takes better pictures.

    So much grain and noise... Nokia's latest cameras are terrible, I wonder if it had something to do with the departure of Damian Dinning who was a Nokia camera guru? Once he left, their cameras took a serious nose dive.

    unternull, thanks for the samples.
    07-20-2013 03:42 PM
  3. jhoff80's Avatar
    Even 920, which is bad on it's own, takes better pictures.
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    I wonder if it had something to do with the departure of Damian Dinning who was a Nokia camera guru? Once he left, their cameras took a serious nose dive.
    Uh, he left after the 920 was released.

    Also, unternull's images aren't that great of a representation (no offense intended). The ones that crash1989 had posted on his Skydrive were much more promising, but he's since removed them.

    And again, just the presence of grain or noise on its own doesn't necessarily make an image bad.
    07-20-2013 03:53 PM
  4. biboyflip's Avatar
    LOL, just as suspected, 1020 is garbage. Even 920, which is bad on it's own, takes better pictures.

    So much grain and noise... Nokia's latest cameras are terrible, I wonder if it had something to do with the departure of Damian Dinning who was a Nokia camera guru? Once he left, their cameras took a serious nose dive.

    unternull, thanks for the samples.
    Here is one example of a troll.
    07-20-2013 03:59 PM
  5. biboyflip's Avatar
    Uh, he left after the 920 was released.

    Also, unternull's images aren't that great of a representation (no offense intended). The ones that crash1989 had posted on his Skydrive were much more promising, but he's since removed them.

    And again, just the presence of grain or noise on its own doesn't necessarily make an image bad.
    Do not try to reason with this guy, its pointless. He's been trolling everywhere.
    07-20-2013 04:01 PM
  6. unternull's Avatar
    I'm gonna do pictures of low light stuff tonight( think car under street light. Etc)
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    07-20-2013 04:02 PM
  7. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Uh, he left after the 920 was released.

    Also, unternull's images aren't that great of a representation (no offense intended). The ones that crash1989 had posted on his Skydrive were much more promising, but he's since removed them.

    And again, just the presence of grain or noise on its own doesn't necessarily make an image bad.
    Nothing ruins photos for me like noise and grain and 1020 has a lot of both.

    It won't surprise me if Galaxy S4's photos will look better when they compare them. 808 no doubt beats it.
    07-20-2013 04:04 PM
  8. Cod3rror's Avatar
    I'm gonna do pictures of low light stuff tonight( think car under street light. Etc)
    Can you take some in a room light too please?

    Also, you could use Dropbox of SkyDrive to upload those pictures in full resolution.
    07-20-2013 04:05 PM
  9. unternull's Avatar
    Didn't realize this was front page lol
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    07-20-2013 04:13 PM
  10. unternull's Avatar
    Yes will do
    07-20-2013 04:13 PM
  11. John20212's Avatar
    THe problem is this is a phone. If I am going to go through all the trouble of changing those settings then why don't I just bringa really good point and shoot with me or a dslr in the first place?

    The auto settings HAVE TO BE GOOD. that's the whole point. if I change all those settings I will miss the shot with a phone camera. Also the fact that this phone is $100 more on contract then the 920 is a big deal .

    .........................
    I agree that for a camera on a phone, the Auto Mode has to be perfect, if I wanted to play with setting for 15min before each shot I would bring a dslr with me. The main point of a phone camera is that you can quickly take it out and shoot whatever is in front of you and move on. Sure the Pro camera settings are a nice bonus if I ever want to take a really great photo and dont have a dslr around, but for the 1020 to appeal to most consumers it has to have flawless Auto Shoot Mode.
    07-20-2013 04:13 PM
  12. jmerrey's Avatar
    9 pages and not one pic of the phone (or a burrito for that matter)
    07-20-2013 04:38 PM
  13. ratchetjaw#AC's Avatar
    LOL, just as suspected, 1020 is garbage. Even 920, which is bad on it's own, takes better pictures.

    So much grain and noise... Nokia's latest cameras are terrible, I wonder if it had something to do with the departure of Damian Dinning who was a Nokia camera guru? Once he left, their cameras took a serious nose dive.

    unternull, thanks for the samples.
    Hardly garbage. Maybe the dumbest comment yet
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    07-20-2013 04:46 PM
  14. warrentaye's Avatar
    I agree that for a camera on a phone, the Auto Mode has to be perfect, if I wanted to play with setting for 15min before each shot I would bring a dslr with me. The main point of a phone camera is that you can quickly take it out and shoot whatever is in front of you and move on. Sure the Pro camera settings are a nice bonus if I ever want to take a really great photo and dont have a dslr around, but for the 1020 to appeal to most consumers it has to have flawless Auto Shoot Mode.
    I can't say I agree here. I mean how many of us bought an 808 for its awesome auto mode? Anyone buying a camera phone and is more concerned with just quick shots in auto mode, really shouldn't be worried about getting a 41mp beast with all those available settings. Don't you think? Be it the 808 or 1020.
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    07-20-2013 04:48 PM
  15. dmuzial's Avatar
    I do not wonder any longer that WP and Nokia numbers are not so great in US (laugh) - maybe a sales man get a better commission from S4 :P

    Wouldn't be surprised. I loved the outburst about AT&T in the Zoom press conference Q&A Along the same lines as your theory.
    07-20-2013 04:51 PM
  16. Michael Spencer's Avatar
    I like the grainy look.

    Reminds me of medium format look.

    07-20-2013 05:10 PM
  17. TerryBakerII's Avatar
    Ok, so I own the lumia 920, and am no picture taking guru, but it takes amazing pictures, compared to other high end smart phones. I have (in great anticipation) ordeedr the Lumia 1020. I did this based on the webcast of the unveiling of the lumia 1020, as well as the photos posted by Nokia of what the 1020 shoots. It appears to be bar nun, much better than the 920 at photos. Again I am no photo guru, but a lot determines the way a photo turns out, the number one thing being the person shooting the pics. I myself think its great, and can't wait to take some great photos in Disney World with the new amazing Lumia 1020!!!
    07-20-2013 05:11 PM
  18. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Ok, so I own the lumia 920, and am no picture taking guru, but it takes amazing pictures, compared to other high end smart phones. I have (in great anticipation) ordeedr the Lumia 1020. I did this based on the webcast of the unveiling of the lumia 1020, as well as the photos posted by Nokia of what the 1020 shoots. It appears to be bar nun, much better than the 920 at photos. Again I am no photo guru, but a lot determines the way a photo turns out, the number one thing being the person shooting the pics. I myself think its great, and can't wait to take some great photos in Disney World with the new amazing Lumia 1020!!!
    I am a guru and let me tell you, 1020 does not take good pictures. Do yourself a favour, cancel the order.
    07-20-2013 05:35 PM
  19. rmichael75's Avatar
    I am a guru and let me tell you, 1020 does not take good pictures. Do yourself a favour, cancel the order.
    Looks like you are a guru of "Jumping the Gun". You have two sets of pictures.. actually 3. 1. The ones shown in Launch. 2. The ones which was leaked. The Rite Aid photos. 3. The photos from Unternell.

    You don't know what is correct and what is not and remember 920 users who say that 920 takes amazing photos, cribbed about it till Nokia made is much better. And This is first generation of the new 41 MP camera. They have all the hardware in. they will tune it further if required.

    So don't jump off the bridge yet. 1020 is not even launched and no hands of reviews yet. But if nokia claims something, it would be so after the debacle of using Van for the promos. They cannot afford to say something different and expecting it to sell... it wont after the first few units. they know that. They are not Apple or Samsung for all the gimmicks.

    BTW this is first generation of the latest imaging.. it will only get better.

    BTW since you are asking pple to cancel the order and kill the enthuciasm is either you are Jealous 808 or 920 owner or Apple Head or Sam Head.
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    07-20-2013 05:45 PM
  20. troylytle's Avatar
    I am a guru and let me tell you, 1020 does not take good pictures. Do yourself a favour, cancel the order.
    I'm sure you have had tons of time to judge it from your own experience then, guru. I'm also sure they singled you out as a selling prospect and gave you one to play with.
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    07-20-2013 05:46 PM
  21. theefman's Avatar
    I am a guru.
    Prove it.
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    07-20-2013 05:47 PM
  22. MrPhilicorda's Avatar
    Interesting thread... It seems most who are bashing the 1020 camera are people who seemingly don't really have a lot of photography knoweledge or experience and basically just are interested in a simple auto-everything camera that makes a decent job of hiding grain and noise. The 920 is a good choice for that.

    The 1020 is a completely different animal aimed at photo enthusiasts who want more control and actually can distinguish good quality pictures from bad ones.

    The pictures that unternull has posted (even if they are compressed) has made it VERY clear that the 1020 pictures are superior in many respects, as some has already pointed out. They are clearly much sharper and detailed and I find the grain texture rather pleasant, reminding of old school analog camera pictures. Also, the transition between different shades of colours is very smooth and accurate. Finally, I think the depth-of-field effect is beautiful, the out-of-focus parts have a character to them that comes close to DSLR quality.
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    07-20-2013 05:56 PM
  23. TerryBakerII's Avatar
    I am a guru and let me tell you, 1020 does not take good pictures. .
    Cod3.......Seems like you are trolling....yeah, just read everyone of Cod3's posts................definitely trolling. Some people have nothing better to do i guess!
    07-20-2013 06:05 PM
  24. Cod3rror's Avatar
    Cod3.......Seems like you are trolling....yeah, just read everyone of Cod3's posts................definitely trolling. Some people have nothing better to do i guess!
    Just because my opinion is not popular that makes me a troll?

    1020 does not take good pictures, it's obvious. When 808 was announced it's samples were just mind blowing. 1020 so far has not been impressive and knowing Nokia, it won't improve. Nokia could make 3 things: Design, Camera, Maps, I guess you can scratch "Camera" off that list.
    07-20-2013 06:40 PM
  25. webdave's Avatar
    It's trolling when you are on a Lumia/Windows Phone enthusiast site with 11 posts throwing out opinions as facts without backing them up
    07-20-2013 06:45 PM
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