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  1. LMZR's Avatar
    If they have the same photo quality, that's good.

    808 owners will be happy with their choice, so will 1020 owners. :)
    07-25-2013 11:47 PM
  2. Nazir Ibrahim's Avatar
    Another photo shoot out comparison 1020 Vs 808. Both are equally good. Some pic 808 better and some 1020 better. N

    Nokia Lumia 1020 vs Nokia 808 PureView – Camera Comparison | SymbianTweet
    07-26-2013 02:38 AM
  3. Bizarro_Prime's Avatar
    If I had a 1020, I would take pics of me & her doing stuff and post them to the internet. The pics would be awesome, full of detail, and the colors would be accurate.
    I have to admit, this made me laugh a little.
    Got some strange looks from the people at work when I did.
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    07-26-2013 03:16 AM
  4. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Another photo shoot out comparison 1020 Vs 808. Both are equally good. Some pic 808 better and some 1020 better. N

    Nokia Lumia 1020 vs Nokia 808 PureView – Camera Comparison | SymbianTweet
    with the difference that 808 could be made to look the same like 1020 in those pictures where you consider 1020 to be better ;)
    07-26-2013 10:10 AM
  5. Nazir Ibrahim's Avatar
    with the difference that 808 could be made to look the same like 1020 in those pictures where you consider 1020 to be better ;)
    Those are based on my judgement. Maybe you will find it different. As I said, both are good and the differences are quite small. Here is my opinion (my preference)
    1st photo - 808
    2nd photo - 808
    3rd photo - 1020
    4th photo - 1020
    5th photo - 1020
    6th photo - 1020
    7th photo - 808
    8th photo - 808
    9th photo - 808
    10th photo - 1020

    Maybe you guys have different opinion, pls share

    N
    07-27-2013 02:28 AM
  6. vlad0's Avatar
    I finally had a chance to stop by an AT&T store and shoot couple of shots with both phones.

    So, I think so far all the comps I've seen had the 808 on 85% jpeg processing, I am yet to see a reviewer set the jpeg processing to superfine on the 808.. so I did that.

    Also, for the first two shots I set the 808 to 8Mpix pureview mode, instead of 5, which brings down the pixel combinations from 7:1 / 1 to .. probably about 5:1, which should result in loss of IQ.

    And finally, I had both phones on full automatic for everything else, and for some reason the 1020 chose higher ISO speeds. I really don't understand this. Considering that it has a faster lens, OIS, and .. BSI, why is it shooting at higher ISO speeds ? It doesn't make any sense.

    I mean, yes, the ISO scale for the 1020 starts at 50 points higher than the 808 in general, but still...


    Anyway, like I suspected, the 808 will have the upper hand in terms of IQ regardless of the conditions.. I am 100% certain of that. I will go back there tomorrow and set both phones at 200 iso and see what happens.. I am curious to see what would happen to the shutter speeds on the 1020.


    1020


    100% crop


    808


    100% crop


    1020


    100% crop


    808


    100% crop



    1020



    100% crop


    808


    100% crop
    07-29-2013 07:32 PM
  7. hcrick's Avatar
    Both phones should at least have the same ISO when comparing. Would also make sense to compare the high res files as well, especially if zooming/cropping aggressively.

    In any case, the white balance looks better on 808 but resolution and detail is clearly better on the 1020, which is impressive given the 1020's higher ISO setting.
    07-29-2013 10:18 PM
  8. vlad0's Avatar
    I didn't set the ISO... both phones were on auto.

    Will repeat in the next couple of days :)
    07-29-2013 10:27 PM
  9. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Dunno why they set 1020 to shoot such high ISO. 1020 shots are 1/60 and 808 are 1/40 second. Same shutter speeds and both would probably chose same ISO value. This is why everyone should always set values manually since auto settings doesn't give best results. At least set either shutter speed or ISO manually.
    07-29-2013 11:15 PM
  10. vlad0's Avatar
    I will just lock the iso next time.. I guess they set the 1020 to shoot at higher ISO to prevent blurriness from movement, I mean.. 1/40 is cutting it close when it comes to hand shake, 1/60 is better.

    Even if you subtract the 50 difference between the two (1020 starts at 100, 808 at 50), the difference is still too big..

    But I thought the BSI sensor and the OIS were supposed to help with all that.

    Here is the iso for each one in the same order I posted them

    500

    250

    320

    125

    250

    160

    All the 808 shots are at 1/40th and all the 1020 are at 1/60
    07-29-2013 11:37 PM
  11. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Both phones should at least have the same ISO when comparing. Would also make sense to compare the high res files as well, especially if zooming/cropping aggressively.

    In any case, the white balance looks better on 808 but resolution and detail is clearly better on the 1020, which is impressive given the 1020's higher ISO setting.
    it's not detail but edge enhancement
    07-30-2013 09:16 AM
  12. hcrick's Avatar
    it's not detail but edge enhancement
    I respectfully disagree. You can only edge enhance detail that exists. Said another way, you cannot edge enhance something into existance.

    Look at the last two crops showing AT&T on the left and Victoria Secret on the right. Now look at the ceiling tiles. The 1020 shows the ceiling tiles but the 808 does not. If that's called edge enhancement then bring it on, I'll take that level of detail every day and twice on Sundays. Noise can be dealt with but nothing can be done to extract those tiles out of the 808.
    07-30-2013 10:13 AM
  13. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    I will just lock the iso next time.. I guess they set the 1020 to shoot at higher ISO to prevent blurriness from movement, I mean.. 1/40 is cutting it close when it comes to hand shake, 1/60 is better.

    Even if you subtract the 50 difference between the two (1020 starts at 100, 808 at 50), the difference is still too big..

    But I thought the BSI sensor and the OIS were supposed to help with all that.

    Here is the iso for each one in the same order I posted them

    500

    250

    320

    125

    250

    160

    All the 808 shots are at 1/40th and all the 1020 are at 1/60
    If OIS is equally good like in 920 you can take sharp pictures even at 1/3 shutter speeds. If you support your body or arms in to something, even 1/2 shots are possible. I can take those shots even when using physical camera button. Pro camera software allows you to pre focus before shot and then using camera button from screen which allows you to keep phone even more steady when taking photo. I think it is more like they wanted freeze motion from moving objects, people and stuff.

    100 or 200 ISO is very doable if OIS works and there is no moving objects in your shots that you don't want get blurred. Low light shots that i have seen when 400 ISO is used are quite low noise and gives you room to take pretty damn good photos.
    07-30-2013 10:32 AM
  14. JustToClarify's Avatar
    Look at the last two crops showing AT&T on the left and Victoria Secret on the right. Now look at the ceiling tiles. The 1020 shows the ceiling tiles but the 808 does not.
    lol if you look at it again you will understand why 808 does not show tiles
    07-30-2013 01:05 PM
  15. hcrick's Avatar
    Doh! Someone please get this egg off my face...lol
    07-30-2013 01:39 PM
  16. vlad0's Avatar
    More, this time locked at 200iso

    All these differences will be exaggerated further if you take the phones outside and shoot some proper landscapes and close ups

    The shutter speeds did adjust.. to my surprise the 1020 went lower than the 808 @ 200iso

    808
    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3737/9...2de8458d_o.jpg
    100%

    1020
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/9...f16eda3e_o.jpg
    100%

    808 (max zoom + flash)
    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/9...1a04d56e_o.jpg
    100%

    1020 (max zoom + flash)
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7429/9...73429aef_o.jpg

    808
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/9...45b2b495_o.jpg
    100%

    1020
    http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2838/9...c6da2cbc_o.jpg
    100%

    808
    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9...2a894e30_o.jpg
    100%

    1020
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7287/9...2216af72_o.jpg
    100%

    808
    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/9...e0a7bbfa_o.jpg
    100%

    1020
    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/9...aa86ec29_o.jpg
    100%

    808
    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3683/9...69aa12e3_o.jpg
    100%

    1020
    http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3826/9...c81d8e71_o.jpg
    100%

    808 (flash)
    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7329/9...ea28e3e7_o.jpg
    1020 (flash) ... seems to be out of focus, and you can see the difference in color reproduction
    http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2894/9...b7e61564_o.jpg
    Last edited by vlad0; 07-30-2013 at 07:09 PM.
    07-30-2013 06:47 PM
  17. hcrick's Avatar
    For some reason the 1020 shots look way out of focus, almost like the OIS wasn't even working properly. Maybe something wrong with the demo unit you used.
    07-30-2013 08:47 PM
  18. vlad0's Avatar
    Ya maybe.. I will try the second unit in the store when I get a chance. They also have one of those "low light test boxes" set up, so I might try that as well.

    I can't figure out how to send the full resolution images form the 1020 to my 808 over bluetooh ... is that even possible ? When I click "share" it only shares the pureview image. So that's why I did the full zoom test.. that is 1:1 pixel ratio .. the full res images shouldn't be all that different.
    07-31-2013 12:41 AM
  19. vlad0's Avatar
    And yet again... 85% jpeg compression vs 95% .. I really don't understand why people refuse use 95% on the 808 :)

    Anyway, very good comp overall if you are using auto settings

    The first big PureView battle: Nokia 808 vs Lumia 1020
    07-31-2013 11:54 AM
  20. hcrick's Avatar
    Fantastic link and comparison, thanks! I still like the 808's auto white balance more but I'm certain one can get similar results on the 1020 using manual settings. Overall though, I do prefer the processing and sharpening incorporated by the 1020, but that's just my taste.
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    07-31-2013 01:08 PM
  21. JustToClarify's Avatar
    808 can be set to anyones taste ;)
    07-31-2013 03:09 PM
  22. hcrick's Avatar
    Not true, you can't set it to Windows Phone 8
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    07-31-2013 04:55 PM
  23. JustToClarify's Avatar
    you think so? :p

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    08-01-2013 07:39 AM
  24. theefman's Avatar
    I see you guys are still going out of your way to try and say the 1020 has a bad camera, keep it up.....
    08-01-2013 07:47 AM
  25. JustToClarify's Avatar
    it has a very good camera(far better than all other phones in production), just not up to 808 standards that's all
    08-01-2013 11:24 AM
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