09-23-2013 01:43 PM
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  1. Jaripi's Avatar
    I've tested the pureview system against all sorts of cameras.. it can hang with most low to mid end cameras out there, and certain older DSLRs

    And against something that is out of it's league.. the Nikon D800, but if you down sample both to about 8Mpix, the difference diminishes.. the Nikon is still way better tho

    http://sdrv.ms/17cThEv

    There is no reason for the 1020 not to do just as well.. or at least close to it.


    I really prefer Pureview 808 photo - it just looks great ... Nikon D800 photo looks dull :)
    08-09-2013 04:54 PM
  2. vlad0's Avatar
    ^ well... the IQ on the Nikon photo is superior in every way :) But if you just look at them at 800x600.. ya, some people might like the 808 color reproduction a bit better.

    can anyone make crops from these 808 comparasions, and crop from that 1020 video, it will show us clear picture.
    What do you mean ?

    Now that is an interesting shot to compare. You can really see some differences in quality! Rightly so, of course. Here are two crops of roughly the same area resized down to the same size for easy flipping between images:

    http://i.imgur.com/0aNUfSe.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/FNz7wL2.jpg
    The Nikon is very, very sharp.. it doesn't help that the 808's image is at 85% jpeg compression and the Nikon's at 98% .. but still, its pretty much no contest. In fact.. any full frame DSLR from the past 2-3 years will be well ahead of the pureview system.. but when you consider the devices we are actually comparing, it makes sense.

    Point is.. P&S are on their way out :) A good camera phone + a decent FF DSLR should be more than enough for most people. I have an 808 and an old xti and I still can't use either of them to their full potential.
    08-09-2013 04:59 PM
  3. EchoRedux's Avatar
    I really prefer Pureview 808 photo - it just looks great ... Nikon D800 photo looks dull :)
    Better get your eyes checked out.
    08-09-2013 11:47 PM
  4. Jaripi's Avatar
    Better get your eyes checked out.
    Sorry that I prefer Pureview 808 photo instead of Nikon D800 ... well, my eyes should be just OK :)
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    08-10-2013 12:18 AM
  5. SuperMAG's Avatar
    i mean like side by side fully zoomed crop from each picture (camera). so we can see the details, noise, colors etc.
    08-10-2013 03:34 AM
  6. photobriangray's Avatar
    The screen on the 1020 is better than almost all P&S cameras. The interface for using the camera I better than any P&S camera. The connectivity is far and away better than a P&S camera. The sensor is bigger with more megapixels than almost all P&S cameras.

    Honestly, we'll see better and better shots coming out of 1020 users as everyone learns the software and tendencies. The P&S is dead.
    08-10-2013 09:25 AM
  7. broar94's Avatar
    ^^ 1020 has AMOLED screen which means oversatured colors. you are not going to see the real picture I'm afraid. It's just going to be oversatured colors that you may not like the difference in the colors when you see on your regular computer monitor!
    08-10-2013 09:45 AM
  8. photobriangray's Avatar
    ^^ 1020 has AMOLED screen which means oversatured colors. you are not going to see the real picture I'm afraid. It's just going to be oversatured colors that you may not like the difference in the colors when you see on your regular computer monitor!
    Precisely why the 1020 has the ability to fine tune temperature and saturation. I will say that the screens on my D3 and D700 aren't perfect either, too bright at default.
    08-10-2013 10:14 AM
  9. ParoleGA's Avatar
    If you are after a camera, and have no need of a phone, I would not get the 1020. It does take great images, without a doubt, but only when you are in it's "wheelhouse". With it's fixed focal length, and relatively large aperture, it really doesn't have a lot of reach. There are much better all around P&S cameras in it's off contract price, and probable still quite a few in it subsidized price.

    P.S.
    This is coming from someone who has and loves his 1020. Just don't expect it to be something it isn't.
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    08-10-2013 10:34 AM
  10. SwimSwim's Avatar
    It really is a great camera. Also take into account that it has a far easier to use interface than most point and shoots, plus sharing is really easy thanks to the Windows Phone OS (Which prides itself on sharing always being one tap away).

    I'd say return the point-and-shoot and pick up a Lumia 1020. The Lumia is a far more versatile and useful device, and you won't feel weird carrying it around with you everywhere. After all, who wants to carry around a smartphone and a point-in-shoot these days? With the Lumia, you can rest assured you've always got a decent camera in your pocket, but it still acts as a great smartphone.

    My apologies if it sounds like Nokia is paying me to write this, but that's honestly how I feel about my 1020. It acts as a great smartphone, that just so happens to have an incredible camera packed inside.

    Granted, if you're zooming in really far, a point and shoot would probably win due to optical zoom. Also, some point and shoots may come with more control over the camera's settings. But if you don't care about zooming in on stuff half a mile away, and you always use automatic mode or tinker very lightly with the settings, then again, I recommend the Lumia 1020.

    Hell, these days, I'd recommend almost any smartphone's camera over a point-and-shoot. Most smartphones are already "good enough", and then you don't have to worry about the extra baggage. The 1020 just takes things a step further, that's all. The point and shoot is pretty much dead, the real source of debate now is smartphone vs. dSLR. dSLR obviously still wins, but devices like the 1020 are really starting to close the gap.

    All in all, I'd recommend just carrying around the 1020 to make your life easier, especially since it's likely to take better pics anyways. (Sorry for rambling on and sounding like a repetitive commercial, that's just how my mind works).
    08-10-2013 11:06 AM
  11. LiveTilesRus's Avatar
    I have a load of DSLR gear (Nikon) and a Canon G series P&S. Do I expect that a device without an optical zoom will beat a decent P&S with optical zoom? Not really, though I am amazed by some of the photos I have gotten out of the 1020. Alas you have to be realistic. This is great technology by Nokia in both hardware AND software. Respect it.

    This is real:

    Snip...
    [INFO]Mainly the old saying: "The best camera is the one you have with you." It's good enough that you can take some good pics without needing to carry a separate camera around, which is the real game changer and the essence of a disruptive technology. It's the reason hardly anyone uses point and shoot cameras anymore. The 1020 offers the closest experience yet to a real camera instead of a phone camera.[/INFO]
    08-10-2013 12:34 PM
  12. vlad0's Avatar
    For most people the 1020 will be more than enough for every day photography. And like the above quite states.. its always with you, and nothing beats that. With a P&S you have to worry about carrying an extra device with you.

    Like I said before, I sold my P&S in 2010 after I got the Nokia N8 and I don't feel like I've missed an opportunity for a good photograph by using my mobile as a main camera.

    Here are some samples from my N8.. straight from the phone, no editing. It covers a pretty big range of different scenarios.. portraits, close ups, landscapes, night shots, flash/bar scenes.. which is what most people shoot anyway.


    https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...5863880EB!8092

    The 1020 is better than the N8 in every way.. so..



    You can click on these for full resolution.

    Landscapes









    high contrast scenes



    Portrait



    Portrait with flash




    Concerts



    more landscape


    Aquarium



    Night club



    Close ups







    Sunrises






    Sunsets







    Digital zoom



    IQ



    Color reproduction



    The 808 and the 1020 take all of this even further... so.. I ask.. who needs a P&S ?
    08-10-2013 02:01 PM
  13. photobriangray's Avatar
    Excellent work, great composition. Anyone can take a crap picture on a great camera. This post shows the potential.
    08-10-2013 03:38 PM
  14. ParoleGA's Avatar
    Yeah, all those pictures were very nice, except for the concert pic. Landscape and near portraits are the wheelhouse for the wide angle PoV you get with a large aperture, short focal length lens. The 1020 is fantastic for those.

    The concert pic is a problem, if you want to see any detail. The short reach of a fixed focal length, large aperture lens is a problem if you want detail and can't get close. Zoom/crop negates the wide angle for Macro shots, but it can't help on a subject you can't get close to.
    08-10-2013 03:56 PM
  15. echoshizzle's Avatar
    Great comparison! Did I see a store in there called Titty Twister?


    I've tested the pureview system against all sorts of cameras.. it can hang with most low to mid end cameras out there, and certain older DSLRs

    Here is a little test I did againt a mid range P&S: Canon SD 1200 .. its considered a decent cam by many

    http://sdrv.ms/13UqMcD

    http://i.imgur.com/dQ7TIEE.jpg

    Here is another one against my Canon XTi

    http://sdrv.ms/135sTcG

    It does quite well against that as well.

    Against another good P&S: Canon G15

    http://sdrv.ms/13UrWok


    And here are some samples against one of the best P&S for sale at the moment, the Sony RX100

    http://sdrv.ms/13Us8E0

    And against something that is out of it's league.. the Nikon D800, but if you down sample both to about 8Mpix, the difference diminishes.. the Nikon is still way better tho

    http://sdrv.ms/17cThEv

    There is no reason for the 1020 not to do just as well.. or at least close to it.




    The 1020 is thinner, but it its bigger overall.. more volume

    96.9cc vs. 95.5cc

    Nokia Lumia 1020 vs. Nokia 808 PureView - GSMArena.com
    08-10-2013 04:12 PM
  16. dharmik28's Avatar
    Yes

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    08-10-2013 04:14 PM
  17. vlad0's Avatar
    Yeah, all those pictures were very nice, except for the concert pic.
    .
    Thank you!

    Yes, concerts and sporting events are an issue.. you just have to get closer I guess :)

    Here is one from the pureview





    It would've been even better if I was closer.


    Of course, if I had an RX100 with me it would produce a much better result.. but I still can't justify spending $600 and having to carry and extra device with me

    Excellent work, great composition. Anyone can take a crap picture on a great camera. This post shows the potential.
    Thanks.! But I didn't mention that these are some of my best shots over maybe.. 2 year period :)
    08-10-2013 06:30 PM
  18. JustToClarify's Avatar
    huh, I like these N8 shots more than 1020, just look much more natural :)
    08-11-2013 06:34 AM
  19. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    huh, I like these N8 shots more than 1020, just look much more natural :)
    Damian Dinning, my friend.

    Always prefers natural photos. If you really like his style, get an 808. (Get another one for me!)
    08-11-2013 06:48 AM
  20. falconeight's Avatar
    The screen on the 1020 is also far better than any point and shoot camera. That alone is worth the price of admission.
    08-11-2013 10:10 AM
  21. Smyrna5's Avatar
    Reframe the picture (i.e. zoom) after taking it, that seems to work well.
    I think this and previous posters comments on zoom really is the key to comparing the 1020 to a relatively inexpensive P&S. The 1020 does a superb job on normal pictures and can zoom up to about 3X without loss in clarity. However, a lot of regular people (tourists especially) like to zoom in more than 3X. You can get a pretty decent camera with a 10x-20X zoom for around $300. So, it just depends on what you want to do.

    Entry level p&s - the 1020 is better. Move up to mid-level, then not so much, if you want to zoom.
    Last edited by Smyrna5; 09-23-2013 at 02:03 PM.
    09-23-2013 12:59 PM
  22. EvilFiek's Avatar
    I've got a Nikon P100 and it's zoom kills my 1020. There's simply no way the 1020 can compete in that regard with any half decent camera. But if Zoom is not used or not necessary? 1020 all the way. It produces just so much more detail and I really dig the vibrant colours (though I can understand why some people would complain about them. I do hope Nokia will update this in the future so you can choose). Another advantage is that it's just much easier to use, the interface is quick and you obviously have more possibilities thanks to various apps.

    I can't really imagine some of the low-end P&S (i.e. sub 100, 150$) competing with the 1020. But anyway, if you are really looking for a proper camera and that's your primary motivation, you shouldn't go with the 1020. As good as it is against entry and mid-level P&S, for the same price you can get a decent DSLR and maybe a good set of lenses, too. That will definitely give you better pictures, if you don't mind carrying it around.

    EDIT: Had a couple more thoughts flying around. For night time shoots, I feel that a decent P&S might still oust the 1020. My P100 for example can go as high as 8 seconds for exposure. On the other hand I genuinely doubt that most P&S can do decent video, especially with audio filtering and such. My P&S does 1080 at 30fps but the image quality is not really notable, there's no optical stabilisation so you get a lot of shaking and using an optical zoom in video has one big disadvanage: it gets LOUD! The 1020 zoom is not really audible since it's all digital, but optical zoom involves moving parts and since they are directly connected to the body of the camera, you can be sure to hear them afterwards.
    Last edited by EvilFiek; 09-23-2013 at 02:20 PM.
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