1. whatup12's Avatar
    Can we list features that ATT locked down on the 1020 being sold by them and through MSFT? Can you also post potential solution or consequences of the lock down if they exist?

    For example, it seems internet sharing is locked down. Question: Does this follow the phone or the sim card? Ie, if you buy a phone from the UK, will this still be locked down when you put ATT sim in it? It also seems that there is a work around having to do with Spanish keyboard--but doesn't seem very stable.

    Please contribute! It will help a fellow windows phone fan to make the decision whether to buy here or wait until I go to UK next month.
    08-12-2013 08:41 PM
  2. LastBattle's Avatar
    No data sense, no Wi-Fi Tethering, no ability to select max connectivity speed 2G/3G/4G.

    Other than that I don't see a difference between this and my unlocked 920/925.


    I bought my 1020 from Negri Electronics, so its unlocked out of the box. I heard that websites does offer them too.
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    08-12-2013 11:12 PM
  3. troylytle's Avatar
    The unlocked comes with no carrier specifics. Just branded.
    08-12-2013 11:20 PM
  4. flyinion's Avatar
    No data sense, no Wi-Fi Tethering, no ability to select max connectivity speed 2G/3G/4G.

    Other than that I don't see a difference between this and my unlocked 920/925.


    I bought my 1020 from Negri Electronics, so its unlocked out of the box. I heard that websites does offer them too.
    Do you know, will it do wi-fi tethering if you have a data plan that allows it? Or is it that the device is incapable of doing it period? I just bought a wi-fi only tablet assuming that when I upgraded to a 1020 that I'd be able to tether to it when using the appropriate data plan.
    08-13-2013 03:45 AM
  5. LastBattle's Avatar
    I am using it in Singapore with the carrier Singtel.
    Not too sure on that, it says to contact ATT whenever I access tethering. Maybe changing my country to something that's not US might fix it.

    I have not tried that so far.
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    08-13-2013 04:32 AM
  6. sym1a1a's Avatar
    yes, the 1020 DOES do WI FI tethering, if your data package allows it, I use my tablet on it almost every day
    08-13-2013 05:40 AM
  7. sym1a1a's Avatar
    Do you know, will it do wi-fi tethering if you have a data plan that allows it? Or is it that the device is incapable of doing it period? I just bought a wi-fi only tablet assuming that when I upgraded to a 1020 that I'd be able to tether to it when using the appropriate data plan.

    also my understanding is that if you enter the code ##3282# into phone it will bring up the option to set your connection speed manually, NOTE: i haven't tried this so do so at your own risk, its just something i picked up here in the forums
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    08-13-2013 05:48 AM
  8. whatup12's Avatar
    Hi all--this is the question that I am always stuck with:
    1) If I buy the ATT one and unlock it and use it on other networks, will wifi tethering be locked.
    It sounds like the answer is yes.
    2) If I buy the 1020 in the UK that would be unlocked and then bring it back to use on ATT, will tethering be locked?
    In other words, does the locking follow the sim or the phone?
    3) Is it worth me spending $250-300 more on the phone in the UK for this feature?

    Thanks!
    08-13-2013 08:01 AM
  9. whatup12's Avatar
    Hi LastBattle,

    To confirm: you bought the phone in the US at full price from Negri Electronics, unlocked it, put in Singtel sim card and tethering still blocked?

    Is this ATT branded?

    thanks!
    Last edited by whatup12; 08-13-2013 at 08:06 AM. Reason: specified this is for LAstBattle
    08-13-2013 08:02 AM
  10. LastBattle's Avatar
    Hi LastBattle,

    To confirm: you bought the phone in the US at full price from Negri Electronics, unlocked it, put in Singtel sim card and tethering still blocked?

    Is this ATT branded?

    thanks!
    Yes. AT&T blocked.

    I'll try changing the country later, and let you know if the tethering is available.
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    08-13-2013 08:10 AM
  11. whatup12's Avatar
    Yes. AT&T blocked.

    I'll try changing the country later, and let you know if the tethering is available.
    Thank you! At least with my focus, generally when I put in a different sim in on this unlocked phone, it would allow tethering. But really want to be able to tether on my new phone when on other sim card that allows it so may have to pay a premium in the UK or elsewhere. What do you think about buying phone in the UK--will it allow tethering if on ATT sim?
    08-13-2013 08:18 AM
  12. strikeIII's Avatar
    Tethering is ONLY available if your plan allows it. It's not that AT&T locked the feature out of the device they just control access to it when using their network. WP8 is not like Android devices where you can root the device and bypass the tethering provision.
    08-13-2013 10:46 AM
  13. whatup12's Avatar
    Tethering is ONLY available if your plan allows it. It is not locked down by AT&T or any other carrier. It's controled by your plan. WP8 is not like Android devices where you can root the device and bypass the tehtering provision.
    Thanks and really helpful. But if this was totally the case, shouldn't the above scenario of a phone bought from Negri Electronics (ie unlocked ATT phone), used with different sim card that has plan that allows tethering work for tethering? Instead, it gives the 611 error. People are reporting the same for using the phone on T-Mobile where the plans allow tethering but have to do fancy run arounds where they change settings, install different language keyboards, etc to make this work? I have had the same scenario even with my focus where I use it with sims that allow tethering and still it doesn't work.

    I am not sure, at all, about how this works--and am just trying to work backwards from what people are reporting. From what you are saying, if I buy the phone in the UK unlocked but from a carrier that allows tethering and bring back the phone--tethering will still be blocked?

    Thanks!!
    stef
    08-13-2013 10:52 AM
  14. antiochian2010's Avatar
    In my area or possibly with my phone, WiFi tethering will not work on LTE but will work on 3G/4G.

    I have to use the ##3282# method above to turn off LTE, and once I do, tethering works flawlessly. To get LTE back though I have to reboot the device. If I try to change back using field test, it kills my phone calls until reboot.
    08-13-2013 10:54 AM
  15. strikeIII's Avatar
    Thanks and really helpful. But if this was totally the case, shouldn't the above scenario of a phone bought from Negri Electronics (ie unlocked ATT phone), used with different sim card that has plan that allows tethering work for tethering? Instead, it gives the 611 error. People are reporting the same for using the phone on T-Mobile where the plans allow tethering but have to do fancy run arounds where they change settings, install different language keyboards, etc to make this work? I have had the same scenario even with my focus where I use it with sims that allow tethering and still it doesn't work.

    I am not sure, at all, about how this works--and am just trying to work backwards from what people are reporting. From what you are saying, if I buy the phone in the UK unlocked but from a carrier that allows tethering and bring back the phone--tethering will still be blocked?

    Thanks!!
    stef
    One thing you have to keep in mind is that buying an unlocked phone doesn't neccesarily mean it will work with any carrier out the box. You will still need to configure the APN settings properly to get all the network services to work properly. This is probably why some things work and don't work on different carrier SIM cards. As far as what those proper settings can be found with a google search. And I'm not 100% familiar with the way WP8 works with changing APN settings as I'm used to doing this on Android devices.
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    08-13-2013 11:57 AM
  16. whatup12's Avatar
    One thing you have to keep in mind is that buying an unlocked phone doesn't neccesarily mean it will work with any carrier out the box. You will still need to configure the APN settings properly to get all the network services to work properly. This is probably why some things work and don't work on different carrier SIM cards. As far as what those proper settings can be found with a google search. And I'm not 100% familiar with the way WP8 works with changing APN settings as I'm used to doing this on Android devices.
    Hi and thanks!! I hear your advice--ie that buying an unlocked phone at a $300 premium may not help me ultimately. Thanks!
    08-13-2013 11:59 AM
  17. whatup12's Avatar
    In my area or possibly with my phone, WiFi tethering will not work on LTE but will work on 3G/4G.

    I have to use the ##3282# method above to turn off LTE, and once I do, tethering works flawlessly. To get LTE back though I have to reboot the device. If I try to change back using field test, it kills my phone calls until reboot.
    Hi Antiochian--thanks and watched your youtube video a few days ago...really helpful!
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    08-13-2013 12:09 PM
  18. blackhawk556's Avatar
    tethering is available so I dont know what the OP is talking about. Data sense is the feature I want to the most. Those bastards.
    08-13-2013 02:11 PM
  19. flyinion's Avatar
    yes, the 1020 DOES do WI FI tethering, if your data package allows it, I use my tablet on it almost every day
    Tethering is ONLY available if your plan allows it. It's not that AT&T locked the feature out of the device they just control access to it when using their network. WP8 is not like Android devices where you can root the device and bypass the tethering provision.
    Thanks guys that's what I figured. Phew, 1020 is still at the top of my list then.
    08-13-2013 02:20 PM
  20. kabel_mk's Avatar
    After reading all of this things about the tethering, i'm still confused. It seems to me that AT&T branded L1020 has purposely messed up tethering by AT&T. I have Nexus 4 too with the same APN as my Lumia 1020 and the tethering on my Nexus 4 works without any problem (the Nexus 4 is bone stock, nothing modded) on any supported network. I'm not sure how ATT knows that tethering is being turned ON if it is not a function of the software/firmware that pops that error message (on Android there is a small daemon that runs in background and first thing people remove after they root)? The towers can't tell the phone "Oh, you have not payed for tethering plan, so next time better luck buddy" (or at least not yet). It has to be the firmware that is blocking the tethering, so if this is true it could explain why we are seeing this erratic behavior of the ATT L1020 tethering when different sim card is used (assuming sim unlocked). It seems to that AT&T is to blame for messing up (blocking) the tethering, since tethering should work with a different sim card. But it could be a bug on Nokia/Microsoft side.
    08-13-2013 03:12 PM
  21. AR2186's Avatar
    I am using it in Singapore with the carrier Singtel.
    Not too sure on that, it says to contact ATT whenever I access tethering. Maybe changing my country to something that's not US might fix it.

    I have not tried that so far.
    Use Access Point to make sure your APN's are correct. When I put a T Mobile or AT&T SIM card in my Verizon Lumia 928 I get the same pop up, but Access Point configures it properly
    08-13-2013 03:29 PM
  22. whatup12's Avatar
    After reading all of this things about the tethering, i'm still confused. It seems to me that AT&T branded L1020 has purposely messed up tethering by AT&T. I have Nexus 4 too with the same APN as my Lumia 1020 and the tethering on my Nexus 4 works without any problem (the Nexus 4 is bone stock, nothing modded) on any supported network. I'm not sure how ATT knows that tethering is being turned ON if it is not a function of the software/firmware that pops that error message (on Android there is a small daemon that runs in background and first thing people remove after they root)? The towers can't tell the phone "Oh, you have not payed for tethering plan, so next time better luck buddy" (or at least not yet). It has to be the firmware that is blocking the tethering, so if this is true it could explain why we are seeing this erratic behavior of the ATT L1020 tethering when different sim card is used (assuming sim unlocked). It seems to that AT&T is to blame for messing up (blocking) the tethering, since tethering should work with a different sim card. But it could be a bug on Nokia/Microsoft side.
    So you are saying that with a stock Nexus 4 from ATT that is sim unlocked--you can internet tether?

    And amazingly, I just tried to order the 1020 from MSFT store and was shot down since i tried to ship it to my work address and bill to my home address. Both in the same city. they even took my whole SSN and birthdate, confirmed my identity and then told me no shipping to different address. I am no fan of AAPL, but I am sure it must be easier to buy a product from them...and that pains me to even type.
    08-13-2013 03:33 PM

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