10-01-2013 10:45 AM
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  1. snowmutt's Avatar
    Hey, the Z1 may have a fantastic camera. By all accounts, it does. But from what I hear, the 1020 is just plain that much better.

    Besides, it is WP. Certain segments will spend months looking for the Android to knock it off. It was the same when the iPhone had the best camera, which it did for truly a very long time. There was always an Android "iPhone killer" with the camera to dethrone it. Of course, it didn't, but Android seems to breed a small group of defensive Android-supporting writers. The 1020 is just an amazing piece of tech.
    psudotechzealot likes this.
    09-09-2013 05:08 PM
  2. MyNL822's Avatar
    Are you only talking about camera? If not, for more apps, freedom, games, and more customization you need Z1. I love my phone but I couldn't afford Xperia I wanted by cutting lawns for $10, so I got a windows phone I liked(NL 822). Z1 is definitely gonna be great for playing games, just tell me a little more of your interests and I'll help you out. Top apps? Top games on your current device?
    09-09-2013 08:18 PM
  3. dba415's Avatar
    I'd be shocked if the Z1 had a better camera than the 1020. Nokia compromised the design by adding that ugly large back just to accommodate the camera.

    Needless to say, they put way more effort in order to make the camera good than Sony. The camera is the only thing that would make people switch from android to windowsphone, while Sony is content with android and being the best camera on android.
    09-09-2013 08:40 PM
  4. Hero Calibo's Avatar
    i those pictures are manipulated. we have all seen how the 1020 took pictures, and those pictures in that site totally sucks. i was like "man, these are not from the 1020. i can tell."
    09-09-2013 09:36 PM
  5. realwarder's Avatar
    The 1020 pictures are clearly made to look at their worst. E.g. the coin and flower picture are simply taken from too close - reviews say the 1020 cannot be held super close on macro shots, but you simply hold it a little further back and zoom as required.

    While the Z1 may be the best Andoid camera (yet to be proven), the 1020 6 lens setup and OIS will win overall.
    snowmutt likes this.
    09-10-2013 12:01 AM
  6. JaimitoFrog's Avatar
    the OP link show the pics at 100%. there is more noise in the 1020. but that's expected with more pixels. they have to compare it at the same mag. white balance on the Z is better, but like others have said, WB can be easily adjusted on 1020.

    the pix on post #4 here is the right way to compare, and 1020 does look better. look at the bricks on the road in the center.
    09-10-2013 01:01 AM
  7. frank ha's Avatar
    If you think that the 1020 image has soft corner, then you havent seen z1 image.. check out http://2.static.img-dpreview.com/fil...1573456428.jpg
    look at the crane in the left..wtf with that? It was a daylight shot but the crane's steel structures are blurry as hell.
    Look at the windows lines at the white building in the centre..even at 100% crop, they have jagged lines, not straight.
    also if you 100% crop the full resolution image, look at the sky and you'll see many black artifacts/dots.
    Last edited by frank ha; 09-10-2013 at 01:55 AM.
    09-10-2013 01:43 AM
  8. chmun77's Avatar
    Z1 is not actually any better. Take a look at these comparisons.

    Camera comparison: how do the Sony Xperia Z1 and LG G2 fare against the competition? - Recombu

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    It looks like Sony is trying to manipulate the results and hypes of the phone.

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    LastBattle and snowmutt like this.
    09-10-2013 01:52 AM
  9. Pavel_Y's Avatar
    Guys from dpreview also managed to take some photos with Z1 Sample gallery: Sony's 20.7-megapixel Xperia Z1: Connect

    IMO, they look much worse than pictures taken with 1020. Yay! :)
    09-10-2013 02:53 AM
  10. stalemate1's Avatar
    Hi everyone, im a huge NokiafFan and own the Lumia 920. I am eagerly awaiting the Lumia 1020 upgrade for the monster camera.

    Anyway I just came across this on GSMArena: Sony Xperia Z1 vs Nokia Lumia 1020 shootout surfaces, yields surprising results - GSMArena Blog

    It came from this source: Camera comparison: Nokia Lumia 1020 vs Sony Xperia Z1 - tbreak

    They are basically saying the Z1 camera is better than the 1020 camera?

    Was wondering what you all thought about this? Anyone have any other comparisons of these two cameras? With the 1020 we have something to brag about and tell all our iSheep and Droid friends that Windows Phone is the best for camera phones, it would be a shame to lose that title before its even released in UK.
    Why brag ?....you can never change someone's opinion of what device is better, who cares what other people think about your phone....it's your own money you used to get it , not theirs....if you are happy with it then thats all that counts, I also used to suffer from fanboyism, it's a good thing to break free from as you are untouchable from opinions from those around you, so you will never have to look at your device in a negative light.

    Just relax and stop trying to justify everything

    Just my 2 cents...
    09-10-2013 06:28 AM
  11. scottygb2k's Avatar
    I understand what your saying. I just like showing off what WP can do and the Camera would be awesome way of doing that.

    Guess it helps people see what WP is about as alot of iSheep just write it off but when they actually use my phone most of them say they like it.
    09-10-2013 07:09 AM
  12. stalemate1's Avatar
    I understand what your saying. I just like showing off what WP can do and the Camera would be awesome way of doing that.

    Guess it helps people see what WP is about as alot of iSheep just write it off but when they actually use my phone most of them say they like it.
    If you want to impress iPhone users then show them your SD card slot and removable battery, also they believe in numbers and not performance, as soon as they hear 41MP camera they will stand in aw no matter how good or terrible it is. Oh and when they ask about the os, tell them that your lumia runs on some experimental version of ios, that will stop their biased opinions. Most (NOT ALL-MAINLY THE NON TECH SAVVY ONES) of them are that gullible, (they buy new iPhones simply because apple says they are better without checking specs and NEUTRAL reviews)

    PS (post script)

    I wish you all the best in promoting Windows phone

    Oh and don't forget to blot out the Nokia logo and stick on an Apple logo sticker.
    Last edited by Stalemate 1; 09-11-2013 at 02:25 PM.
    09-10-2013 07:59 AM
  13. In Limbo's Avatar
    Nope
    09-10-2013 12:43 PM
  14. LastBattle's Avatar
    Z1 is not actually any better. Take a look at these comparisons.

    Camera comparison: how do the Sony Xperia Z1 and LG G2 fare against the competition? - Recombu

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    It looks like Sony is trying to manipulate the results and hypes of the phone.

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    Well they always do. Remember how Sony tries to claim the PS3 that's over 3x faster than Xbox 360?
    Look what happened, its the interplay of software and hardware that matters. And many games run significantly better on the Xbox than PS3.
    Same thing can be applied on Android, S4 still lags even with octa core. While iOS/Windows Phone runs fine on single/dual core.

    So again, do you think the 30% gain of performance on PS4 over Xbox One is better?


    Whatever product you launch, you need something for fans to brag about.. they are the ones that'll hype it even if its crap
    Last edited by LastBattle; 09-10-2013 at 05:20 PM.
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    09-10-2013 05:03 PM
  15. stalemate1's Avatar
    The only way to really know is to hold up both phones together and fire away with the cameras...I will say that Sony do build excellent camera phones, I mean several years ago they brought out the cyber shot range. I believe that Sony have the best camera phones out of Android,
    But I have not seen it WITH MY OWN EYES in MY OWN HANDS, go against the galaxy zoom and galaxy S4...until then I cant base my judgments on anything. The best way I can think of comparing any camera phones (other than holding them in your own hands) is YouTube, it's harder to edit the image quality in a video.
    09-11-2013 03:33 AM
  16. montsa007's Avatar
    Z1 is not actually any better. Take a look at these comparisons.

    Camera comparison: how do the Sony Xperia Z1 and LG G2 fare against the competition? - Recombu

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    It looks like Sony is trying to manipulate the results and hypes of the phone.

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    I almost LOLed on the S4 photo, maybe one can wave their hand in the air (Gesture control if you know what I mean) to get rid of the darkness curtain :p.
    I don't know who was paid to do these photos, whoever was did a bad job.
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    09-11-2013 05:59 AM
  17. Sinabu's Avatar
    I have a 920 now (former iphone4s) and I had saw the deal on the older Z and now see the Z1. I kind of want to try it. never having android before I am not sure what I'm getting myself into though. I've always liked Sony gear and the specs look really nice for the Z1. Plus I have tons of Sony Reward points to use so hopefully could get it with a nice discount.

    I'm still on the fence though. I love my 920 and the windows phone but a few things disappoint and this Z1 caught my eye.
    09-11-2013 07:00 AM
  18. montsa007's Avatar
    I have a 920 now (former iphone4s) and I had saw the deal on the older Z and now see the Z1. I kind of want to try it. never having android before I am not sure what I'm getting myself into though. I've always liked Sony gear and the specs look really nice for the Z1. Plus I have tons of Sony Reward points to use so hopefully could get it with a nice discount.

    I'm still on the fence though. I love my 920 and the windows phone but a few things disappoint and this Z1 caught my eye.
    I am not sure what I'm getting myself into - Crow Crap, that's the word I use for android ;).
    Of course it has its own pros and cons but am very much happy with wp8 (Former Android user after haggling on many flagships)
    09-12-2013 12:31 AM
  19. Nick_1020's Avatar
    Hey, the Z1 may have a fantastic camera. By all accounts, it does. But from what I hear, the 1020 is just plain that much better.

    Besides, it is WP. Certain segments will spend months looking for the Android to knock it off. It was the same when the iPhone had the best camera, which it did for truly a very long time. There was always an Android "iPhone killer" with the camera to dethrone it. Of course, it didn't, but Android seems to breed a small group of defensive Android-supporting writers. The 1020 is just an amazing piece of tech.
    I must've missed this memo...when exactly did the iPhone have the best camera? It can't be any time recently as the 920, 808 and N8 are just 3 devices that are hands down better than the iPhone for taking photos.
    montsa007 likes this.
    09-12-2013 04:38 AM
  20. crash1989's Avatar
    Both are very good IMO. I think Android users will be very happy to get the Z1

    09-12-2013 05:54 AM
  21. martinmc78's Avatar
    Both are very good IMO. I think Android users will be very happy to get the Z1

    How much is that lens going to cost?? Its hardly a fair comparison of the two cameras when you have to buy a massive lens for the Sony to get the most out of it.
    09-12-2013 05:59 AM
  22. montsa007's Avatar
    Both are very good IMO. I think Android users will be very happy to get the Z1

    2.35/36, they didn't even bother removing that LOL.

    Seriously, would you carry a phone that has a mind blasting camera or a phone that needs a jacket on it to attach a umm i donno if its mind shaking camera?

    So I wanna take the pictures of a cute baby, let me see if I can take it quickly with a L1020 or that lens thing without losing the moment or breaking anything on the phone and yes, without that error shown in the video :D
    09-12-2013 06:05 AM
  23. LastBattle's Avatar
    2.35/36, they didn't even bother removing that LOL.

    Seriously, would you carry a phone that has a mind blasting camera or a phone that needs a jacket on it to attach a umm i donno if its mind shaking camera?

    So I wanna take the pictures of a cute baby, let me see if I can take it quickly with a L1020 or that lens thing without losing the moment or breaking anything on the phone and yes, without that error shown in the video :D
    Typical Android.. I've had enough of Asus Transformer and Nexus 7. I will never buy anymore Android again.

    Yeah, performance is freaking good when you first open it. Over the time frame of just weeks, it starts to head south.
    Lags everywhere, crashes here and there.. just annoying.

    I thought Google would do a better job than Asus with Nexus 7 (pure stock android), it just failed big time.
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    09-12-2013 06:41 AM
  24. crash1989's Avatar
    How much is that lens going to cost?? Its hardly a fair comparison of the two cameras when you have to buy a massive lens for the Sony to get the most out of it.
    He did compare the phone cameras too, I think both look very good albeit 1020 has the advantage of Pro Cam app and reframing and few more things. I want Nokia to slightly reduce the saturation levels in auto mode.
    09-12-2013 06:52 AM
  25. crash1989's Avatar
    2.35/36, they didn't even bother removing that LOL.

    Seriously, would you carry a phone that has a mind blasting camera or a phone that needs a jacket on it to attach a umm i donno if its mind shaking camera?

    So I wanna take the pictures of a cute baby, let me see if I can take it quickly with a L1020 or that lens thing without losing the moment or breaking anything on the phone and yes, without that error shown in the video :D
    Hey,
    I think he was just showing that module. Getting the qx100 is much slower than taking a pic on a 1020 camera but he does show off both the cameras at the end.

    I still think QX10 and QX100 are too much of a hassle, I mean wasn't the whole point of smartphone camera just to pull it out and shoot. I don't want to connect to the module, then take a shot.
    09-12-2013 06:54 AM
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