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09-14-2013 08:19 AM
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  1. wamsille's Avatar
    One of the more neutral reviews of the Lumia 1020 that I read gave the impression the device has too many shooting options and is therefore confusing for the consumer. Front and center, by default, is the Nokia Pro Cam application. This is as it should be; highlighting the main feature of the device before someone even has a chance to drop the phone and put a dent in it. But I digress...

    Pro Cam is an application you will use for most of your expected shots. Smart Cam is for expected shots with more movement. The Microsoft camera is there by default, baked into the OS. You will rarely use this unless you scan QR codes. I believe this is the camera app Authenticator uses to scan QR codes. While other devices have one camera application with many different features, Nokia spreads the features out using the lenses option.

    Open the camera application and hit the double arrow icon (Lenses) and scroll through your list of options. I did a reset last night to free up 8GB of "Other" storage, so I only have a few. You get a strong variety of choices here, with more to follow. You can argue that Windows Phone really does have one camera application but different HUDs that provide the user control over the finer details. Is there still a delay when switching Lenses? Yes, but understand that each "lens" has a special function and utilizes the camera hardware differently. I'm sure that there will be an eventualy re-write of applications to make better use of the 41MP sensor, which in turn should decrease the load times.

    Could you give it a second?

    Louis C.K. said it best when he mentioned the ****iest phone in the world is a miracle. No one really stops and says "Look what my phone can do" and truly be happy with that sentiment.

    Oh your phone has a 41MP camera? Well my camera doesn't take 10 seconds to load!

    Yeah, but your shots look like ***. You have more applications, but hundreds (if not thousands) of duplicates.



    Back to the topic at hand:

    What does it take to be the person that reviews products for websites? Would you think a basic understanding of your subject? More than just 2-3 minutes without an account set up on it?

    If someone is going to review a device, spend a week with it. Don't go to a "music festival" on assigment so you can get in a free show and pretend like you know what you are talking about. The Central websites feature real reviews, albiet with a slight bias towards their OS of choice, that take devices through the paces and present the information for what it is, even if it pains them to be wrong.

    Thanks, but I will be keeping my Lumia 1020. If I am not happy with the shots from Pro Cam, I'll switch the lens to Smart Cam, Pro Shot or whatever application I happen to have on my device at the time.
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    09-10-2013 09:00 AM
  2. crash1989's Avatar
    I have to agree with everyone here, i myself moved from iphone 5 to a L1020, and i can tell you it definitely did not have the "best" even before L1020 came out.

    "stunt to get peoples attention", whaaaaaaat?

    And about the instagram part, tons of other apps you could use ! I mean what she says is true there is no "official" instagram app , but it is false saying you can not upload them to instagram.

    And about the camera, i would have to agree here pulling my iphone 5 out and snapping a pic would definitely be faster albeit 5mp vs 38. On my L1020 it takes about 3-4 sec from opening the app till it is ready to shoot. I noticed smart cam does load 1sec faster or so. thats why i have the smart cam tiled so i can whip up a fast one just in case. She should have just used smart cam for the bubbles....instead of aimlessly trying to point and shoot, the fact she attempted so many times was quite embarrassing to me especially with a app made just for these occasions. Have yet to miss a shot ot encounter a moment where my ip5 could take a better pic than my L1020.

    The shutter speed is definitely slower than my iphone 5, i remember tapping the shoot button on my Ip5 like crazy just for the fun of it and it would take pics like crazy.
    ( but for me this was just a fun bonus, didnt affect me much in terms of actually snapping pictures.)

    To me this person just didn't know enough about this phone to be actually reviewing it. It honestly sounds and looks like she was given that phone to test run on that very day. I mean at least give it to a reviewer who knows about windows phone and actually spent SOME time with it.
    it's not the shutter speed its the capture delay.
    09-10-2013 09:08 AM
  3. Tracy Daken's Avatar
    "LIKE OMG, I need to LIKE PRESS MY HAIR and LIKE DO THIS REVIEW OF THIS PHONE. I like it because it is like YELLOW." The mentality here is just scary. How a person like that gets a chance to even be a reviewer suprises me to no end. It actually insults me as musician that someone like that would even be at one of my shows man. I bet she has to call apple care to figure out how to turn on your monitor when it goes on sleep mode.
    09-10-2013 09:14 AM
  4. Tracy Daken's Avatar
    Because it is a 41 MP SHOT! LOL. That is a huge picture.
    09-10-2013 09:17 AM
  5. nohra's Avatar
    The iPhone 5 has the best camera on a smartphone? Wow, just... Wow!
    My thoughts exactly... stopped watching at that point because my 920 takes better photos than iPhone 5. I don't think photography is why people hang on to iphones; more because that's the 'hip' phone to have.

    I'd rather be 'better' than be 'hip'.
    09-10-2013 09:43 AM
  6. wamsille's Avatar
    I don't think photography is why people hang on to iphones; more because that's the 'hip' phone to have.

    I'd rather be 'better' than be 'hip'.
    Apple knew how to market the iPhone. Instead of making iTunes a killer application for other smartphone ecosystems, they made a phone around iTunes. The iPhone OS has remained relatively unchanged, and the perceived value of iPhones has remained relatively high despite limited innovation and increased competition in the mobile space. The familiarity, along with the plethora of universal accessories you can find just about anywhere make the device attractive. It certainly doesn't hurt that it is perceived to be user-friendly, despite the contrary. The perception is that Apple does things better, even if people have discovered over the years they didn't do them first.

    Apple doesn't do all things better, some things look nicer but I can't honestly say better. Development for iOS and Android is stronger than other operating systems, so they will always have that. Apple still commands a signifcant share of the market, so Google will always develop applications for the platform. Strategically, Apple is positioned to maintain the course and do just fine. The iPhone isn't irrelevant, for even if the next iPhone flops it will still have enormous influence on how the mobile landscape shapes up for the balance of 2013 and 2014. If Apple introduces a budget-friendly iPhone, I sincerely hope they consider making it a middle of the road device. Alternatively, if they make it on par with the iPhone 5 and make it dirt cheap they might manage to steal a good number of daily activations away from Android.

    With any flagship device launch, the hope is its release drives further innovation in the industry. If Apple says "we made it plastic" and calls it a day, I will **** my pants. If the 5S improvements amount to being taller (again) rather than wider, I'm sure Steve Jobs go BSOD in his grave.
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    09-10-2013 10:11 AM
  7. Smyrna5's Avatar
    I remember when all the hip people had Blackberries. These things can change pretty fast.
    Bartdog likes this.
    09-10-2013 10:26 AM
  8. JerseySal's Avatar
    Is it this person?untitled.jpg
    09-10-2013 10:36 AM
  9. VegaNovus's Avatar
    I left them my review of their review.

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    WavingReds, nohra, nocial and 3 others like this.
    09-10-2013 10:46 AM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    So now we have to decide which app to fire up depending on how quickly we want a shot? 'Oh I can wait 5 seconds so lets fire up Pro Cam'. 'Oh I need this shot quick so lets dig in and launch the default camera app'. Why can't the Pro Cam app just take 1 second to take a pic? I don't care what it does in the background, 5 seconds is an eternity to wait for a second shot.
    Choice sucks doesn't it?

    It would be much better if we only had the option to take the lower quality picture so we could be more like the competitors.

    LoL
    09-10-2013 10:52 AM
  11. wamsille's Avatar
    I think going on the offensive with a reviewer is pointless. Much like a meteorologist on television, they just have to cover the main points and not necessarily get it right. In my television market there are three main channels, and typically they share the same relative opinion but how they get there could be vastly different. I used to watch the news based on how attractive the female anchors were. Now I care about accuracy more.

    Now I'm not suggesting the woman who reviewed the 1020 is or is not attractive. She wouldn't be my type anyway based on her perceived lack of intelligence. The review was poorly conceived and executed, and did not give a good overall assessment of the device. I won't call it a hit piece in favor of other platforms like iOS or Android, but this reporter didn't do any favors for Windows Phone.
    09-10-2013 11:06 AM
  12. VegaNovus's Avatar
    I think going on the offensive with a reviewer is pointless. Much like a meteorologist on television, they just have to cover the main points and not necessarily get it right. In my television market there are three main channels, and typically they share the same relative opinion but how they get there could be vastly different. I used to watch the news based on how attractive the female anchors were. Now I care about accuracy more.

    Now I'm not suggesting the woman who reviewed the 1020 is or is not attractive. She wouldn't be my type anyway based on her perceived lack of intelligence. The review was poorly conceived and executed, and did not give a good overall assessment of the device. I won't call it a hit piece in favor of other platforms like iOS or Android, but this reporter didn't do any favors for Windows Phone.

    She's fairly attractive but I think the phone is more attractive.

    Call me a tech freak :(
    09-10-2013 11:11 AM
  13. wamsille's Avatar
    Choice sucks doesn't it?
    +1

    Give it a second. Would yeah? Could you give it a second? It's going to space. Can you give it a second?

    I'm sorry, but considering the phone is creating two photos from one image and allows you to manipulate it further after the fact to a degree unheard of previously in the mobile space is worth the extra loading and processing times.

    Take your 1020 and go outside to take some pictures. Don't come back until you've filled up the device's memory and need to pull the pictures off.

    Lather, rinse and repeat.

    If you want to overcome the perception this phone is bunk, you need to show it isn't. Pictures are worth a 1,000 words. Those taken with the 1020 are worth 10x that.
    09-10-2013 11:14 AM
  14. txkimmers's Avatar
    is people surprised about it? its MOLLY WOOD!
    did you forget the first time Microsoft-Brandon Watson sent her a Mango challenge Windows Phone and it was a waste? do people already forget how it took Molly Wood 2 days to find the apps list? I mean... she is simply that dumb! you cant expect something Smart from here, when she clearly doesnt know much about phones.
    I didnt even watch the video, I dont need to watch it to know Molly Wood, wouldnt say anything Smart about Windows Phone. I mean... she had a pre-mango device, and after 2 years she never understood or try to understand how to upload to Facebook?
    if she, after 2 years cant do a simple thing, I really dont know how people could expect her to know and give good information about skydrive and zune 2 years ago? lol
    she is the ones that think "there just needs to be an app for that.". but yeah, Im sure she is just dumb and I wouldnt expect much from her, not 2 years ago, not now, and not in next 5 years... never! the only thing i would expect from her, its to put the phones in really retarded tests (destroying the phones) like if it was a real usage test. and like if those test would make her smarter.
    I stopped listening to a podcast she was on a few years ago when she asked (and not rhetorically, mind you) if Amazon was still a relevant company. Just bleh.
    09-10-2013 11:17 AM
  15. sph0308's Avatar
    Use Nokia Smart Cam or MSFT Blink app for rapid fire pictures

    Well, as far as shutter speed goes I'd have to agree. Though I haven't personally used the 1020, shutter speeds in Windows Phone are generally very slow and that makes it difficult to use in certain situations, like taking photos of the kids.
    I dislike the iPhone very much, but in all honesty, I'm kinda jealous that my sister can take a bunch of pictures with hers in just a few seconds while my Windows Phone is struggling to focus.
    09-10-2013 11:25 AM
  16. Smyrna5's Avatar
    I must admit that this video of rapid shooting is pretty impressive. I'm not sure I would enjoy deleting all those shots though

    09-10-2013 11:48 AM
  17. VegaNovus's Avatar
    I must admit that this video of rapid shooting is pretty impressive. I'm not sure I would enjoy deleting all those shots though


    Let's take 10 photos to find 1 nearly perfect shot.
    Or take your time and get 1 perfect shot.

    At the end of the day it's down to choice.

    Taking 10 shots can be done with blink, then you can pick the perfect one.
    09-10-2013 11:53 AM
  18. crash1989's Avatar
    I must admit that this video of rapid shooting is pretty impressive. I'm not sure I would enjoy deleting all those shots though

    Agreed , the orginial post I made already agreed to this. Why are you guys arguing this again?
    09-10-2013 11:54 AM
  19. metalchick719's Avatar
    As someone who previously used an iPhone 4 and who has an iPod touch 5th generation, just because the camera app is faster doesn't mean it's better. I've gotten many more WAY better shots on my 920 and my 810 before it than I have from the two Apple devices. Nokia Lumia phones just have that superior of cameras, IMO. No contest.
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    09-10-2013 12:03 PM
  20. nocial's Avatar
    People with no tech experience shouldn't be allowed to review phones. Also her voice is annoying.
    09-10-2013 12:04 PM
  21. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Just think, she got paid for this review.
    09-10-2013 12:10 PM
  22. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Choice sucks doesn't it?

    It would be much better if we only had the option to take the lower quality picture so we could be more like the competitors.

    LoL
    I'm sorry but was that an excuse you just made? What choice do I have here? Why the heck would I even choose to use the default camera app over the Pro Cam app? Isn't Pro Cam app the entire deal of this phone? Why can't that work as fast as the default app?
    09-10-2013 12:16 PM
  23. crash1989's Avatar
    I hope this review by WPCentral gets to them .. and they are ashamed of themselves
    CNET throws the Lumia 1020 under the bus in latest "review", gets facts wrong too | Windows Phone Central

    Thanks Daniel and WPCentral team for putting this out and informing people that you cannot get away with misinforming people
    Last edited by crash1989; 09-10-2013 at 01:39 PM.
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    09-10-2013 12:55 PM
  24. Giddora's Avatar
    *Yawn* Please wake me up when she has used the phone once.
    09-10-2013 01:47 PM
  25. Amritash Pathania's Avatar
    i disliked it .you people do the same
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    09-10-2013 02:12 PM
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