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  1. cj-m's Avatar
    This thread has degenerated into an almost all out bar room brawl...
    09-12-2013 03:12 PM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    But the only reason we noticed is because we have interest. Journalist mess everything up. They try to grab headlines and facts don't matter. She is catering to the millions on iPhone.
    Look, you've admitted that she is unprofessional. You've admitted that at least 10% of journalists do their job well. We agree on most things.

    Still, you seem to think we can't expect more from the remaining 90%. I disagree. We should always expect more. That doesn't mean we will get more, but it's better to expect perfection and get it rarely, than to expect mediocrity and get it commonly.

    If we didn't expect more we wouldn't be having this conversation, meaning people like Molly would have zero opposition and get away with everything. That would leave us in an even bleaker journalism landscape than we inhabit now.

    Her level of professionalism is unacceptable, under any circumstance, and should be called out. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that is the only reason this simple topic has dragged on for so long.

    During your military career, would you have accepted it if 90% of your unit sucked? Of course not. We shouldn't expect less of any professional, no matter what their line of work is.

    I'll leave it at that.
    09-12-2013 03:25 PM
  3. falconeight's Avatar
    Look, you've admitted that she is unprofessional. You've admitted that at least 10% of journalists do their job well. We agree on most things.

    Still, you seem to think we can't expect more from the remaining 90%. I disagree. We should always expect more. That doesn't mean we will get more, but it's better to expect perfection and get it rarely, than to expect mediocrity and get it commonly.

    If we didn't expect more we wouldn't be having this conversation, meaning people like Molly would have zero opposition and get away with everything. That would leave us in an even bleaker journalism landscape than we inhabit now.

    Her level of professionalism is unacceptable, under any circumstance, and should be called out. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that is the only reason this simple topic has dragged on for so long.

    During your military career, would you have accepted it if 90% of your unit sucked? Of course not. We shouldn't expect less of any professional, no matter what their line of work is.

    I'll leave it at that.
    You complaining just because for some reason it means a lot to you. Journalist mess everything up. Thats all there is too it. We should be more concerned about them messing up syria and not uploading pictures on Facebook.
    09-12-2013 03:58 PM
  4. falconeight's Avatar
    This thread has degenerated into an almost all out bar room brawl...
    Im not brawling and just don't think its that big of a deal.
    09-12-2013 04:00 PM
  5. tgr42's Avatar
    Between the posts of you more or less defending Molly Wood and now this graph one, I have a little trouble swallowing what you are saying. Care to further ellaborate or cite some sources?
    My intention was not to defend Ms. Wood, to the contrary - I basically said that she sucks at her job. I have expressed my frustration with the community's reaction to others in this thread who have brought up valid points and been shut down by, for the most part, delusional fanboy extremism. Anyway, here's a link to a post I made with a graph that shows the kind of abnormal battery draining I've observed:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ml#post2064919

    In this case the culprit was HERE Maps, but I regularly get the same kind of result with IE. Usually what happens is I go to lunch, browse the web for 5-10 minutes while I'm waiting, the food arrives and I turn off the phone. A couple hours later I realize "crap, I forgot to close out IE again" and in the meantime it's been steadily burning down the battery. It's really starting to bother me that if I'm super careful to always close everything, I can get excellent battery life - 3 days, and that's not just a projection. Actually real and tested. But if I make one mistake, it's right out the window. It shouldn't be this way.
    09-12-2013 04:05 PM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    You complaining just because for some reason it means a lot to you. Journalist mess everything up. Thats all there is too it. We should be more concerned about them messing up syria and not uploading pictures on Facebook.
    You just don't get it. Your laissez faire attitude regarding journalism (and those that share it) is what concernes me. The idea that her lacking professionalism should be tolerated, or worse, the idea that she should be defended because we just can't expect more, that too concernes me. I say this not just about gadget reviews, but about journalism in general. The same standards should apply. Molly's review, no, I'm not complaining about that. It's a shame, but she got the message. That is done.

    Again, I'm not complaining about Molly or her review. I'm complaining about people's standards having fallen so low, that they don't find it necessary to hold journalists to higher standards.

    I thought that was clear, but I hope it is now.
    chocka likes this.
    09-12-2013 04:53 PM
  7. Lucidlore's Avatar
    My intention was not to defend Ms. Wood, to the contrary - I basically said that she sucks at her job. I have expressed my frustration with the community's reaction to others in this thread who have brought up valid points and been shut down by, for the most part, delusional fanboy extremism. Anyway, here's a link to a post I made with a graph that shows the kind of abnormal battery draining I've observed:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ml#post2064919

    In this case the culprit was HERE Maps, but I regularly get the same kind of result with IE. Usually what happens is I go to lunch, browse the web for 5-10 minutes while I'm waiting, the food arrives and I turn off the phone. A couple hours later I realize "crap, I forgot to close out IE again" and in the meantime it's been steadily burning down the battery. It's really starting to bother me that if I'm super careful to always close everything, I can get excellent battery life - 3 days, and that's not just a projection. Actually real and tested. But if I make one mistake, it's right out the window. It shouldn't be this way.
    That's because there have been no valid points made. Let me run it down for you:

    *Tech reviewer reviews the phone but gets basically 90% of the factual details of the phone wrong. She is an avid tech user, and an editor at a well known website. She is NOT the average user.
    *Other people tar and feather her for spreading false information.
    *YOU jump into the thread and throw out a red-herring: "Well if SHE's incompetent in doing her job, that must obviously mean that wp8 is a poorly designed and un-intuitive operating system !" Yet you haven't really explained how anything about wp8 is any less intuitive than ios or android.

    And now, you try to throw another red herring about the battery life -- an issue no one is discussing.

    Do you see the problem here ? Why discuss the phone's battery life ? You may have a valid point and you may be right, but that had nothing to with this thread. I'm sure there are other threads discussing the phone's battery life. If we're fanboys for calling you out, then you're a hater for trying to slander the wp8 by bringing in irrelevant information.
    chocka and Reflexx like this.
    09-12-2013 04:59 PM
  8. crash1989's Avatar
    As the OP I'm done with this thread. The information/misinformation being spewed out is beyond me.
    09-12-2013 05:35 PM
  9. tgr42's Avatar
    Do you see the problem here ?
    Yup!

    Why discuss the phone's battery life ? You may have a valid point and you may be right, but that had nothing to with this thread. I'm sure there are other threads discussing the phone's battery life.
    It was only in response to previous derailment of the thread. Completely OT but this thread is a trainwreck anyway.

    If we're fanboys for calling you out, then you're a hater for trying to slander the wp8 by bringing in irrelevant information.
    If you actually read anything I wrote, you'd know I only want this platform to succeed. Which do you think is going to help more with that? Denial + witch hunt, or improving the design of the OS so that it's impossible for average people to come to these wrong conclusions?
    09-12-2013 06:32 PM
  10. falconeight's Avatar
    You just don't get it. Your laissez faire attitude regarding journalism (and those that share it) is what concernes me. The idea that her lacking professionalism should be tolerated, or worse, the idea that she should be defended because we just can't expect more, that too concernes me. I say this not just about gadget reviews, but about journalism in general. The same standards should apply. Molly's review, no, I'm not complaining about that. It's a shame, but she got the message. That is done.

    Again, I'm not complaining about Molly or her review. I'm complaining about people's standards having fallen so low, that they don't find it necessary to hold journalists to higher standards.

    Its thought that was clear, but I hope it is now.
    Its just a phone
    Last edited by falconeight; 09-13-2013 at 10:57 AM.
    09-12-2013 08:09 PM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    I just a phone
    It's not about just a phone.

    It's about honesty and integrity in reviews where people expect to get factual information.

    I'm not sure why expecting integrity at a job is such a problem with you. Just because YOU don't expect it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    a5cent likes this.
    09-12-2013 08:25 PM
  12. falconeight's Avatar
    It's not about just a phone.

    It's about honesty and integrity in reviews where people expect to get factual information.

    I'm not sure why expecting integrity at a job is such a problem with you. Just because YOU don't expect it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    Here is the simple truth. If you see a sight with advertising in it. It will not be totally factual.
    09-12-2013 08:41 PM
  13. Reflexx's Avatar
    Here is the simple truth. If you see a sight with advertising in it. It will not be totally factual.
    Excuses excuses. Just avoiding the point.
    09-12-2013 08:45 PM
  14. Ultimateone's Avatar
    Lock the thread, that video does not deserve any more views!
    09-12-2013 08:47 PM
  15. falconrap's Avatar
    I just a phone
    Tell that to the individuals who design, market, and manufacture this phone, whose paychecks and livelihood are impacted by false reporting. It may just be a phone to you and me, but to a large number of people, lower sales caused by inaccurate statements can impact their lives and the lives of the people that count on them.

    When we accept lying as a way of life, we reap what we sow.
    a5cent and Reflexx like this.
    09-12-2013 08:54 PM
  16. crash1989's Avatar
    Ok,

    There have been a few posts which ask for this thread to be closed. Although I can close it, since this post was featured on the WPCentral site I don't know if it is a good idea.

    Maybe if I get more than 15 likes on this comment to close this thread I will close it. If any MOD sees this and feels the need to closed or continue please do it asap.

    Cheers.
    09-12-2013 09:15 PM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    Its just a phone
    Tell that to the people in Espoo and Redmond who spent years making it all come together in the L1020, and who's jobs are on the line if they can't capture a larger market share with their products. If their work is as shoddy as Molly describes it, then all 38'000 truly deserve a pink slip. Given enough unchallenged Molly's, that will happen...

    At this point, I find it hard to believe that any intelligent human still doesn't get it. It's not about the phone. It's about professional journalism.

    Every human being cares about fairness. Apparently, you find that the people who make these devices don't deserve a fair shake, but I'm not buying that. I think it's far more likely that you just have a problem conceding an argument, which is why we're still just running in circles.

    Good day.
    Reflexx likes this.
    09-12-2013 09:22 PM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    Tell that to the individuals who design, market.
    Freakishly similar our posts. Sorry, didn't even see yours before I posted.
    falconrap likes this.
    09-12-2013 09:25 PM
  19. guillams's Avatar
    She is an Apple products fan Or Apple pay her program, I just saw I resistance test between L920 and Iphone 5 and she put a protector to the Iphone 5, Gash that's just ridiculous!
    09-12-2013 09:47 PM
  20. SwimSwim's Avatar


    they did it here, iphone seems to be the only phone people should use according to cnet
    She says the camera grip needs to be charged to be used: false. I've used my camera grip when its battery was dead countless times. The camera grip can use a tiny bit of power from the phone should its own supply be dead. Shows how much they actually used the thing...
    09-12-2013 10:15 PM
  21. teckris's Avatar
    My intention was not to defend Ms. Wood, to the contrary - I basically said that she sucks at her job. I have expressed my frustration with the community's reaction to others in this thread who have brought up valid points and been shut down by, for the most part, delusional fanboy extremism. Anyway, here's a link to a post I made with a graph that shows the kind of abnormal battery draining I've observed:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ml#post2064919

    In this case the culprit was HERE Maps, but I regularly get the same kind of result with IE. Usually what happens is I go to lunch, browse the web for 5-10 minutes while I'm waiting, the food arrives and I turn off the phone. A couple hours later I realize "crap, I forgot to close out IE again" and in the meantime it's been steadily burning down the battery. It's really starting to bother me that if I'm super careful to always close everything, I can get excellent battery life - 3 days, and that's not just a projection. Actually real and tested. But if I make one mistake, it's right out the window. It shouldn't be this way.
    hello Sir, you r trying your best to Stick to your Pointless Arguments and has opened your mouth only when there was some thing false you could say.
    now you have brought a new topic to this thread, which is clearly showing how lazy you are. when you are using your IE and browsing you r responsible for closing it. Dont you turnoff your car after the drive? or it will turn off itself?

    just dont shoot at us saying You want this platform to GO GOOD. its just like saying I will put you behind bars so that you will become good citizen.
    09-13-2013 12:45 AM
  22. lantern20's Avatar
    Here is the simple truth. If you see a sight with advertising in it. It will not be totally factual.
    I think that's the issue. It is not an advertisement, it is supposed to be a review, from a site known as a review site. It would be similar to other sites; say a car site trusted to provide you with factual information you need to use to make a purchase. Then they gave a car a poor review because they couldn't drive a manual transmission saying they couldn't get the car to actually go even if said car worked perfectly.
    09-13-2013 05:51 AM
  23. falconeight's Avatar
    I think that's the issue. It is not an advertisement, it is supposed to be a review, from a site known as a review site. It would be similar to other sites; say a car site trusted to provide you with factual information you need to use to make a purchase. Then they gave a car a poor review because they couldn't drive a manual transmission saying they couldn't get the car to actually go even if said car worked perfectly.
    Doesn't matter. If your reading a science journal with advertising in it. The content will not always be factual. I learned this fact in school. They are providing a service to advertisers not to consumers. Look at any site conducting reviews and pick an item that you are familiar with. Chances are that they will try to sensationalize one item that really isn't an issue. Its constant and its a human flaw. When CNET has a majority of advertisers that are affiliated with apple or android then they will cater to them. The market is also a majority apple and android so it benefits them to say things such as. Its a nice phone but iPhone does it better. Cnet probably has 100 viewers that use WP8 compared to 10,000 that use iPhone. I don't understand why people are making such a big deal. Its always been this way and always will be.
    09-13-2013 10:55 AM
  24. falconeight's Avatar
    It's not about just a phone.

    It's about honesty and integrity in reviews where people expect to get factual information.

    I'm not sure why expecting integrity at a job is such a problem with you. Just because YOU don't expect it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    Is everything people say in this forum factual? No its not, its biased and fan boyish. Not as bad as other sites but it happens.
    09-13-2013 10:58 AM
  25. chocka's Avatar
    Doesn't matter. If your reading a science journal with advertising in it. The content will not always be factual. I learned this fact in school. They are providing a service to advertisers not to consumers. Look at any site conducting reviews and pick an item that you are familiar with. Chances are that they will try to sensationalize one item that really isn't an issue. Its constant and its a human flaw. When CNET has a majority of advertisers that are affiliated with apple or android then they will cater to them. The market is also a majority apple and android so it benefits them to say things such as. Its a nice phone but iPhone does it better. Cnet probably has 100 viewers that use WP8 compared to 10,000 that use iPhone. I don't understand why people are making such a big deal. Its always been this way and always will be.
    You are making it a big deal. You are not stopping defending her. Iphones are better in some ways. WP8 has its advantages too. But a lie is a lie and you cannot tell that it is wrong to call a lie a lie
    09-13-2013 11:04 AM
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