09-19-2013 07:44 AM
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  1. pavvento's Avatar
    The new GDR3 phones with quad-core CPUs and 2GB RAM will make existing Windows Phone obsolete regardless of what people owning current phones are saying to make themselves feel better.
    Do you know the definition of obsolete? Just because better spec'd phones will be coming out doesn't mean these phones will stop functioning in a way that will negatively impact the user experience.

    There is such a variety of power/graphics from the 520 all the way up to the 1520 that apps will continue to be made to work on a majority of devices, not a small percentage of them. GDR3 and Blue will be on all WP8 devices according to Nokia and MS meaning users will still get the new features.

    There is a big difference between phones having lower specs and phones being rendered useless.
    nohra likes this.
    09-18-2013 08:32 AM
  2. nohra's Avatar
    Most people don't want a 6 inch phone, so for most people it doesn't matter how good the 1520 is.
    Good thing Nokia/MS doesn't cater to "most people" then because for those of us who apparently aren't "most people" a 6 inch screen is a perfect compromise between a "too big to carry on your belt and hold up to your ear" tablet and a "too small to do meaningful things on" phone.

    The "most people" argument is probably why we don't have physical keyboards, so for those of us who want things like bigger phones and physical keyboards and super cool cameras in our phones I'm glad the manufactures don't always listen to "most people". We hear the same "most people" crap when people talk about a 41MP camera being unnecessary too. Who cares? I'm surprised WP users would even start with the "most people don't want this" crap because by using Windows Phone, YOU ARE ALREADY NOT MOST PEOPLE!
    tgr42 and Technoloay like this.
    09-18-2013 08:52 AM
  3. Kellzea's Avatar
    The new GDR3 phones with quad-core CPUs and 2GB RAM will make existing Windows Phone obsolete regardless of what people owning current phones are saying to make themselves feel better.
    lrn2brain.
    09-18-2013 10:05 AM
  4. antiochian2010's Avatar
    I want a 1020 variant on Verizon. 6in is just too big.
    That's what she said..
    baseballbert likes this.
    09-18-2013 10:53 AM
  5. antiochian2010's Avatar
    I remember the arguments when WP8 was around the corner and people that had just bought the 920 were howling about it. Which is understandable since over the life of their new phones, some apps written for WP8 are now out of reach.

    I thought then as I do now that MS made the right call on this. Whenever I consider my 1020 to be obsolete whether 6 mos, 1 year or 5 years down the road I'm glad that Windows Phone will have something viable to move into. Had they stayed with the old kernel to placate people that had just bought into high end models, Windows Phone would have been that much more delayed in their ability to move into the new processors and displays and would have been permanently shunted off as an unique quirky thing that didn't last too long...

    I think I agree with others here who have stated that obsolescence occurs when production is no longer underway and the manufacturer stops supporting any given model. But to me, real obsolescence occurs when I as the owner no longer find what I own to be useful.

    Surprisingly, the 808 was around 6 months for me before hitting obsolescence - and I think it arguably has the better overall camera mechanism. However, the email and internet clients on Belle through not being supported anymore fell so far behind to where they weren't very well functional anymore made the phone useless except for taking out for weekends - so the 808 became the same thing as my Canon PowerShot. The rest of the working week, I really didn't like using it and found myself missing the Lumia 900 as a phone. Once the 1020 came out I jumped on it and sold my 808.

    On the other hand, I use and maintain two feature phones - Nokia 6610 and Sony T637 as emergency phones and some days I actually enjoy going retro and burning up some of my prepaid SIM that I have. The 6610 I rebuilt completely - there are still to this day OEM components available such as keyboards, LCD screens, batteries, etc. The T637 just took an OEM battery as my original just wouldn't recharge well (after a decade).

    So in my experience I have two decade-old phones that can still take new parts that I find useful in a pinch and still enjoyable to use sometimes in their own right - so I don't really consider them truly obsolete. On the other hand the 808 which IMO could have been the top of the line in the industry with either Window Phone OS - or some kind of updated super Symbian if Nokia hadn't dropped that OS - became obsolete faster than I normally go through phones even though my primary consideration with any smartphone is the type of camera.

    I guess everything hinges around defining what obsolete is for any one user..
    09-18-2013 11:18 AM
  6. majortom1981's Avatar
    The only thing that will make the 1020 obsolete per say is the processor. The 1020 already has 2 gigs of ram.
    09-18-2013 01:40 PM
  7. nola75's Avatar
    This is the last generation of true Nokia phones. Inevitably, each of the top end devices will have a successor. Not yet though and it will be a Microsoft product with a Nokia lineage. I will be considering that fact before I move on to the "upgraded" product because the value may be missing that a Nokia successor might have provided. Specs do matter but it will be a while before the higher specs generate more real functionality on the windows platform. The 1520 is a nice new device but it is a different device that complements the current product line. It would have been impossible to market a 6 inch phone without the new hardware GDR3 makes possible. The 1020 successor will benefit from improved processing power but it isn't essential. We will just have to wait and see what standards Microsoft maintains when they do develop a successor to the 1020. My guess is the transition to Microsoft will extend the 1020's practical product life beyond what we could expect if Nokia had remained an independent phone manufacturer.
    09-18-2013 03:32 PM
  8. Junaid96's Avatar
    That's what she said..
    Hilarious. I'm guessing you're about 12 years old?

    Do you know the definition of obsolete? Just because better spec'd phones will be coming out doesn't mean these phones will stop functioning in a way that will negatively impact the user experience.

    There is such a variety of power/graphics from the 520 all the way up to the 1520 that apps will continue to be made to work on a majority of devices, not a small percentage of them. GDR3 and Blue will be on all WP8 devices according to Nokia and MS meaning users will still get the new features.

    There is a big difference between phones having lower specs and phones being rendered useless.
    I think you're the one that needs to look up the definition of obsolete. Obsolete =/= useless
    09-18-2013 06:47 PM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    My Treo 650 says no
    nohra and wamsille like this.
    09-18-2013 08:24 PM
  10. wamsille's Avatar
    My Treo 650 says no
    +1
    nohra and xandros9 like this.
    09-18-2013 08:44 PM
  11. bobsentell's Avatar
    The iPhone 5c is getting glowing reviews and all it is is a year old iPhone in a plastic shell.

    We are reaching the point of spec saturation. Just as with computers, faster specs won't be noticeable to the average consumer. It's all about functionality and the Lumia 1020 has that in spades.



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    09-18-2013 08:55 PM
  12. willied's Avatar
    Good thing Nokia/MS doesn't cater to "most people" then because for those of us who apparently aren't "most people" a 6 inch screen is a perfect compromise between a "too big to carry on your belt and hold up to your ear" tablet and a "too small to do meaningful things on" phone.

    The "most people" argument is probably why we don't have physical keyboards, so for those of us who want things like bigger phones and physical keyboards and super cool cameras in our phones I'm glad the manufactures don't always listen to "most people". We hear the same "most people" crap when people talk about a 41MP camera being unnecessary too. Who cares? I'm surprised WP users would even start with the "most people don't want this" crap because by using Windows Phone, YOU ARE ALREADY NOT MOST PEOPLE!
    I'm not arguing against it. What I'm saying is that the 1520 isn't even an option for a lot of people, so the 1020 is going to suit more people's needs since it's a more manageable size for most and therefore it doesn't matter what the specs of the 1520 are.
    nohra likes this.
    09-18-2013 09:10 PM
  13. derple's Avatar
    Not obsolete at all.

    Tons of users are picking up the new Lumia and a TON of website are adding the Lumia to their existing cell phone sites like HDPW with Newest Lumia 1020 Wallpapers
    09-18-2013 09:23 PM
  14. tgr42's Avatar
    The iPhone 5c is getting glowing reviews and all it is is a year old iPhone in a plastic shell.

    We are reaching the point of spec saturation. Just as with computers, faster specs won't be noticeable to the average consumer. It's all about functionality and the Lumia 1020 has that in spades.
    I think phones still have a ways to go. When an average consumer can put two phones next to each other, and one is noticeably faster than the other at performing the same tasks, processing speed matters. They will consider the faster one to have an advantage. There are still plenty of times I'm waiting around for the phone to do something. Not everything happens instantly. Probably the biggest example of this on the 1020 is when taking pictures. Are the delays a deal-killer? No. Would it be nice if it was faster? Yes.

    Also important is performance per watt, a metric where specs will continue to improve long beyond the point where most things happen near instantly. You can burn through the battery pretty quickly on the 1020 when actively using it. Certainly people will appreciate better battery life for a long time to come.
    09-19-2013 07:44 AM
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