1020 Vs the S4

[_Emi_]

punch your brother in the face and ignore his silly arguments about technology. enjoy your device and be happy... if you can put his phone under the car to see if he likes the S4 after that.

and of course android on specs are better, but if doesnt mean its any better.... thats the argument we always have in technology, like Xbox one vs PS4... one thing you must understand its Windows Phone runs better without having 80gb of memory and 50 cores in the cpu... of course the phones will improve especially with the rumored RT and WP becoming "one" soon, it will allow more stuff on the platform. but while you see a paper throwing commercial information that is worthless in real world performance, and arguing about the phone with your brother, you could enjoy it and be happy with it. of course it misses some apps, but sometimes you wont even use those apps, or you will find 3rd party ones that work better. so if you like it, who cares what people say?

so again, punch him in the face and throw his phone to a river and shut his mouth!... good advice no? I love giving advices to people who need them.

 

[Nick_1020]

punch your brother in the face and ignore his silly arguments about technology. enjoy your device and be happy... if you can put his phone under the car to see if he likes the S4 after that.

and of course android on specs are better, but if doesnt mean its any better.... thats the argument we always have in technology, like Xbox one vs PS4... one thing you must understand its Windows Phone runs better without having 80gb of memory and 50 cores in the cpu... of course the phones will improve especially with the rumored RT and WP becoming "one" soon, it will allow more stuff on the platform. but while you see a paper throwing commercial information that is worthless in real world performance, and arguing about the phone with your brother, you could enjoy it and be happy with it. of course it misses some apps, but sometimes you wont even use those apps, or you will find 3rd party ones that work better. so if you like it, who cares what people say?

so again, punch him in the face and throw his phone to a river and shut his mouth!... good advice no? I love giving advices to people who need them.

You should be a counsellor....if you're not one already!

Thank you

 

[cckgz4]

I think the best feeling or to win an argument like that, being satisfied with your purchase and not having to prove ANYTHING is the best answer to provide. Every OS has strengths and weaknesses. You don't have to justify your spending, ESPECIALLY for a cell phone. If he is happy with his GS4, that's fine. He shouldn't make you feel bad about it tho.

 

[falconeight]

tell him that his phone is a virus with two operating systems attached to it.

 

[Anglerdk]

tell him that his phone is a virus with two operating systems attached to it.

you're right - the android phones can take all your time since there is so much to play with / investigate (launchers, widget, browsers,custom rom, kernels, vpn, keyboards

, new apps) with wp8 the options is a lot more limited (great for many



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[ejb222]

WOW...so many opinions...why not add one more ;P

Well, I've used an iPhone and now I have a WP. My GF android would be cool if it was upgradable to Jellybean like Moto said they would. But when all said and done. I really like the smoothness, the social integration, the better cameras. It's all really what you like. I would go Android overall they offer more things I would use. But I really believe (hope) MS has some cool stuff...uniques stuff...instore for WP. Don't take my word for it. Just use what you like and forget what everyone else says. Like it for the reasons you like it. Then at least your truly where you want to be.

 

[zipro]

Honestly - this has to do with personal taste and there's no point in arguing about taste. I have both an S4 and a Lumia 1020 and can't really say I prefer one over the other. That said: I had to install Nova Launcher and disable all of the gesture controls to get the S4 to decent fluidity as far as the UI goes. On Android, there are still many apps that are very slow, though. The biggest thing the 1020 has going for it is clearly its camera - other than that it's "just" another flagship phone and isn't any better or worse than an S4 or an iPhone 5(S)

 

[Nick_1020]

I think the best feeling or to win an argument like that, being satisfied with your purchase and not having to prove ANYTHING is the best answer to provide. Every OS has strengths and weaknesses. You don't have to justify your spending, ESPECIALLY for a cell phone. If he is happy with his GS4, that's fine. He shouldn't make you feel bad about it tho.

There's no place for common sense in this thread!!

You're completely right though but as with many things in life, some people like to boast and compare things; sports teams, cars, belongings etc and these feelings tend to be amplified amongst family members.

It's all good though

 

[Dave Blake]

There's no place for common sense in this thread!!

You're completely right though but as with many things in life, some people like to boast and compare things; sports teams, cars, belongings etc and these feelings tend to be amplified amongst family members.

It's all good though

As you all might imagine I have this conversation a lot. I am to the point where I have my friends that have Windows Phones they will call me and insert me to into the conversation. The more popular phones, they are popular for a reason. Phones like the GS4 line have much to offer. What has changed is that now Windows Phone has much to offer as well. It really is just a matter of what you want for you. Hardware wise the GS4 beets the L1020 in most ways, camera, phone radio, and design are the glaring acceptations, That said the design part is subject to debate. Software wise its is just a matter of what YOU need.

I disagree in that it is good to weight your argument that is just commonsense to get the information going in. Also do agree that its is all good every person has their own opinion about what is better for them. I hope we all get what we want in the end.

 

[brau0303]

I have been reading thru this thread and have to put my 2 cents in..

When someone asks for my help getting any new bit of tech, I reply with a question.. "What do you want to do with it?" then we work from there and try to find the best match for their needs. So you found what does what you want to do... Done there is no debate. be happy and enjoy your tech
Your brother has what he wants and you have what you want (as was said earlier in the thread, you don't have to justify what you got, it is what you wanted and that's all that really matters)

I also work in Tech. My opinion, is just that.. My opinion.

Cheers

BR

 

[anony_mouse]

No need to try a hundred different themes and such to try to get the feel you want.

It is annoying that Android forces you to try 100 different themes. When I first switched on my phone, I thought I would be set up within a few minutes, but no! First theme 1 and you have to try that for five minutes, then theme 2, theme 3, and so on. And worse still, a little gun pops out of the phone and threatens to shoot your cat if you don't do it!
Hard to understand how Android still outsells WP.

 

[anony_mouse]

Your description of him, techy and quoting all those specs. He sounds like the kind of person that might get lost in tiny details and never grasp what truly matters and adds to life.

I find that comment quite ironic in the context of this thread.

 

[wamsille]

There are too many chefs in the kitchen with Android. (And Linux in general) Since there is a pretty shallow standard that allows for divergence at every aspect of the operating system, you have various branches that have their own unique following. People like TouchWiz, Sense and other overlays because of the added value the interfaces are designed to bring.

If you hop over to XDA, all the modders and tweakers kill off TouchWiz and Sense. They build AOSP ROMs that start off Android but then become a bastardized child of Cyanogenmod. Then you have all the themes, replacement launchers and icons, etc. People think choice is better and Android embraces it, but all I see there is a cluster**** of **** a bunch of themers have thrown together to make something look "cool".

Don't get me wrong, Android in general gives me what I need and want but I'm tired of being some major corporation's product. I'd rather pay for applications and services, keep my privacy and go with more fluid and better designed operating systems. I hate to say it, but I would rather buy an iPhone now at this point than an Android device.

 

[tgr42]

There are too many chefs in the kitchen with Android. (And Linux in general) Since there is a pretty shallow standard that allows for divergence at every aspect of the operating system, you have various branches that have their own unique following. People like TouchWiz, Sense and other overlays because of the added value the interfaces are designed to bring.

If you hop over to XDA, all the modders and tweakers kill off TouchWiz and Sense. They build AOSP ROMs that start off Android but then become a bastardized child of Cyanogenmod. Then you have all the themes, replacement launchers and icons, etc. People think choice is better and Android embraces it, but all I see there is a cluster**** of **** a bunch of themers have thrown together to make something look "cool".

This is such a weak argument. Just get stock Android via a Nexus or Google Play edition device, problem solved. I've never had to deal with themes, mods, tweaks, launchers, ROMs, etc on any of my Android devices.

Don't get me wrong, Android in general gives me what I need and want but I'm tired of being some major corporation's product. I'd rather pay for applications and services, keep my privacy and go with more fluid and better designed operating systems. I hate to say it, but I would rather buy an iPhone now at this point than an Android device.

You may trust one company more than another, but whether you choose Google, Apple, or Microsoft, you are a major corporation's product.

 

[Nick_1020]

You may trust one company more than another, but whether you choose Google, Apple, or Microsoft, you are a major corporation's product.

Yep.

 

[wamsille]

This is such a weak argument. Just get stock Android via a Nexus or Google Play edition device, problem solved. I've never had to deal with themes, mods, tweaks, launchers, ROMs, etc on any of my Android devices.

Why is it weak? Oh, right it's you again with your battery graphs, charts and test results.

Nexus devices have not historically had the best in class specifications. What if I want LTE and I'm on AT&T? What if I want a better camera than what was available on the Nexus 4? What if I want a microSD card to increase storage? Mods and scripts can reverse internal storage with the microSD card, giving you inevitably up to 64GB of usable space for games and applications.

Google has their own limitations on Android to control what is possible and to calm concerns from developers and content distributors alike. But at the same time its that openness which leads to innovation. Sure, Nexus devices represent pure Android but unlock the bootloader and install Cyanogenmod and you likely have better hardware. Want to compare the Nexus 4 to a Galaxy S4?

You may trust one company more than another, but whether you choose Google, Apple, or Microsoft, you are a major corporation's product.

Google offers free (as in beer) services for billions of users world-wide. Through the use of targeted advertising and the all-encompassing Google Account, Google Wallet purchases, Gmail messages and web searches are all under one hub. Frequent Starbucks to the point when traveling you search Maps for the nearest location? What about navigating there? What if on your Nexus you use Google Wallet on their NFC scanner? Google knows where you are, when you are there and how best to target you based on that Hello Kitty forum you linked to your Google Account and the Drive documents you accessed on campus.

I set up a client on Google apps and had a frantic call as to why Payday loans and Bankruptcy law firm listings were appearing in targeted ads in Gmail. (They use the web client) I explained why - that Google scans the emails for relevant data - and based on emails within the office discussing bankruptcy, loans, and personal notes of what will be spent on payday (bills), certain ads would appear. I told them accessing their email through IMAP would get rid of this, but the concern was still there at messages were scanned for the purpose of advertising. I had to turn off most of the applications in Google to keep them on the service.

I showed them ads in Yahoo, Hotmail/Live/Outlook and others to prove that it's just the way things are trending. I did show them the $20 I paid for my Outlook account to remove ads and they asked for a simliar solution on Gmail. (Without installing a browser extension) No such luck.

If you cut out targeted advertising, you take a blowtorch to Google's profits. Since you can never truly opt-out, you either live with it or you don't. My Gmail account has been disabled (by Google) since the beginning of September. I can't restore it because it is being investigated. In the mean time I've lost touch with some people that only have that address plus it's a vanity / Google aps account, meaning I would need to turn off Google Aps and go with another hosting solution to use my email. That's a lot of fuss for an email address.

Had this happened with Microsoft, I can call up a support number and speak with a rep. Google requires filling out a form and answering emails that ask for the most mundane details from your account's initial setup.

 

[tgr42]

Why is it weak? Oh, right it's you again with your battery graphs, charts and test results.

Nexus devices have not historically had the best in class specifications. What if I want LTE and I'm on AT&T? What if I want a better camera than what was available on the Nexus 4? What if I want a microSD card to increase storage? Mods and scripts can reverse internal storage with the microSD card, giving you inevitably up to 64GB of usable space for games and applications.

Google has their own limitations on Android to control what is possible and to calm concerns from developers and content distributors alike. But at the same time its that openness which leads to innovation. Sure, Nexus devices represent pure Android but unlock the bootloader and install Cyanogenmod and you likely have better hardware. Want to compare the Nexus 4 to a Galaxy S4?

I guess you're not familiar with Google Play edition. You can get the Galaxy S4 or HTC One from Google with stock Android, same advantages as Nexus with the better hardware (and higher price):

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=samsung_galaxy_s4&hl=en

I said your argument is weak because if someone doesn't want to deal with all that crap, they don't have to. You try to make it sound like they do, but they don't. Therefore I don't see it as the platform-ruining thing you make it out to be.

 

[wamsille]

I guess you're not familiar with Google Play edition. You can get the Galaxy S4 or HTC One from Google with stock Android, same advantages as Nexus with the better hardware (and higher price):

https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=samsung_galaxy_s4&hl=en

I said your argument is weak because if someone doesn't want to deal with all that crap, they don't have to. You try to make it sound like they do, but they don't. Therefore I don't see it as the platform-ruining thing you make it out to be.

1. You assume way too much. I am familiar with the Google Play Edition line of devices.
2. Comparing a Google Play Edition device to a Nexus model isn't "apples to apples", for various reasons.
   
   If you want Google in charge of your updates, without carrier or manufacturer intervention you will get a Nexus device. If you want an experience similar to a Nexus but want current hardware and high-speed internet you would use a GPE device. Each of them come with their own trade-offs, though.
3. If you are on a site like XDA, you aren't there because you enjoy using TouchWiz or Sense exclusively. More than likely you want to take an already more than capable Galaxy S4 (non-GPE) and have it running like a beast. You most likely don't want bloatware, want to install software your carrier blocks or enable features not present in the stock ROM it shipped with.

Does everyone want this? No. More importantly, where did I say this? I didn't. Now here is a statement based more on fact - if you frequent XDA you aren't likely the typical consumer. Percentage wise you might not account for 80% of Android devices in use but you aren't a vocal miniority either. These users - rather the developers that address these and more important concerns - drive Android development. Obviously people think there is room for improvement, otherwise why invest the time to tinker with it so much? Phone today aren't necessarily computers - show me a phone that comes with a high spec range and allows me to install iOS, Android or Windows Phone.

If I want high-end hardware but a Nexus-like experience, I need to spend $600 if I don't want to root and run ROMs. If I want to get a phone that could be somewhat dated on lanch I could get an actual Nexus for about $200 cheaper. It's unlocked, but typically it's a GSM-only device.

Seems to me like there is a fair amount of "crap" people might have subject themselves to in order to get the device they want.

/applies to iOS
/applies to Windows Phone
/applies to Blackberry
/applies to slashes

 

[tgr42]

On Google's product pages for the Google Play edition phones it says:

"The Google Play edition phones automatically receive updates of the latest Android software. Optimized for the latest apps, more storage for your content and a fast, clean user experience all come standard."

Isn't that the main point of the Nexus experience? I interpret this statement as meaning you get the updates and stock Android. Just like Nexus devices. Is Google's statement here misleading in some way? If not, I fail to see why anyone needs to bother with custom ROMs, themes, and all that complexity that you and others in this thread have argued is a big problem with Android. To me it seems like something that is easily avoided whether you want cheap or expensive hardware.

 

[EvilFiek]

Just to chip-in: GPE is not an option for a vast majority of people. It's limited to very few countries, as an example in Germany, which is by no means a third world developing country, I don't get access to GPE devices. Nexus are a go in most of the world but then again, you are pretty limited with the devices in that regard.