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  1. chobits's Avatar
    Anyone else feel the Same as i do?
    After u press the shutter button, the pic looks awesome while it's saving
    But then it looks bad after it's saved

    Any ways to fix this?
    Maybe by using 3d party apps?
    What kind of camera apps that supports 41mp Lumia1020?
    Please let me know

    note: left is before and right is after post processing
    see how the skin tones changes on the second pic because of the white balance


    Last edited by chobits; 12-14-2013 at 03:46 AM.
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    12-13-2013 11:33 PM
  2. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Okay, if everything's on auto, you may have been moving the phone while it's still taking the photo. Or you may have been using poor settings for the situation you're in.
    12-13-2013 11:42 PM
  3. chobits's Avatar
    Okay, if everything's on auto, you may have been moving the phone while it's still taking the photo. Or you may have been using poor settings for the situation you're in.
    the end result is the Same auto or manual
    in the end it's worsen
    12-14-2013 12:26 AM
  4. blue1k's Avatar
    This has been touched on multiple threads. It's the result of crappy jpeg processing algorithms from Amber. Lumia Black will fix these issues. I myself can't believe Nokia thought Amber was acceptable for public release.
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    12-15-2013 01:56 AM
  5. Vicente Ibarra's Avatar
    You buy a very expensive phone waiting for the best camera ever and you have to wait for Nokia fixing the quality of the pictures for months (I am waiting since september ) . I think is not the best policy for a company who has been on the tightrope for the last years ... I'm thinking about Nexus 5 and the way that Google has fixed camera problems .
    I'm very dissapointed about this issue because camera is the most important in a smartphone for me .
    12-15-2013 05:36 AM
  6. blue1k's Avatar
    You buy a very expensive phone waiting for the best camera ever and you have to wait for Nokia fixing the quality of the pictures for months (I am waiting since september ) . I think is not the best policy for a company who has been on the tightrope for the last years ... I'm thinking about Nexus 5 and the way that Google has fixed camera problems .
    I'm very dissapointed about this issue because camera is the most important in a smartphone for me .
    Exactly. If a company hypes a product then it better deliver. And not, months after a release. Try weeks. Nokia are you listening. With that said I have managed to capture some amazing shots with this phone but conversely, have been amazed how badly this phone struggles with indoor shots and sharpness. Portraits are very difficult to capture compared to my HTC One or IP5.
    12-15-2013 12:12 PM
  7. chobits's Avatar
    Exactly. If a company hypes a product then it better deliver. And not, months after a release. Try weeks. Nokia are you listening. With that said I have managed to capture some amazing shots with this phone but conversely, have been amazed how badly this phone struggles with indoor shots and sharpness. Portraits are very difficult to capture compared to my HTC One or IP5.
    So i'm not the only thinking that trying to capture portrait is harder ... much harder than the iphone 5
    Is there anyway to disable the IOS?
    I read an article saying that choosing hi shutter speed / sport mode will disable the OIS?
    I mean ... is that possible?
    12-15-2013 06:34 PM
  8. Del Rei's Avatar
    I created a thread with same subject some days ago:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...y-samples.html


    Yeah, it very disappointing to realize that will take some months to fix it.
    Rumor has it the Black update will fix it.... But the problem is this long wait.

    In some months people will want an other new phone, not a late update.

    I came back to iOS. Not just because of it, but some others points too.
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    12-15-2013 06:39 PM
  9. chobits's Avatar
    I created a thread with same subject some days ago:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...y-samples.html


    Yeah, it very disappointing to realize that will take some months to fix it.
    Rumor has it the Black update will fix it.... But the problem is this long wait.

    In some months people will want an other new phone, not a late update.

    I came back to iOS. Not just because of it, but some others points too.
    We just have L1020 this month in Indonesia, and I still have to wait another months to get my hand on the GDR3 + Black
    I can't imagine folks in the state for waiting since July I believe for this kind of update
    I mean .... what Microsoft is thinking?
    Goole Nexus 5 has camera issue and bam ... not too long they update its OS
    Z1 has an issue on the camera, and it's fixed in one month after it's released
    And here comes Nokia ..... July until next year 2014 Q1 (not even month is known?)



    Try to install Nokia Camera Beta
    Its end result is better justttt a little bit but still better *sigh*
    12-16-2013 09:38 AM
  10. Blacklac's Avatar
    Exactly. If a company hypes a product then it better deliver.
    According to basically all reviews, it did deliver. Review units had the same software we did.

    While I'm anxiously awaiting Black as well, lets not get carried away.
    12-16-2013 01:42 PM
  11. vlad0's Avatar
    Black .
    Just look at some 1520 photos... they look like they were taken with a Symbian based camera phone, which is very ... very good news.
    12-16-2013 07:59 PM
  12. chobits's Avatar
    Look what I found on the web
    It's a Lumia 1020 with BLACK update

    h*tp://transitions1020.com/#lumia/raw_gallery

    It's stunning!
    12-18-2013 09:50 AM
  13. petedgr8's Avatar
    Same issues with Black update. Photo looks great at first, but then the processing kicks in and it gets green and blurry. Sigh.
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    12-19-2013 08:26 PM
  14. FBirraque's Avatar
    Same issues with Black update. Photo looks great at first, but then the processing kicks in and it gets green and blurry. Sigh.
    +1
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    01-17-2014 12:57 AM
  15. AndrewL920's Avatar
    Same problem with 920 and 925. http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...er-update.html and http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ck-update.html Portico Update does not have this problem. Amber started this and hoping Black will fix. Unfortunately, this yellowish blurry problem still exist in Black Update.
    01-17-2014 03:36 PM
  16. AndrewL920's Avatar
    This has been touched on multiple threads. It's the result of crappy jpeg processing algorithms from Amber. Lumia Black will fix these issues. I myself can't believe Nokia thought Amber was acceptable for public release.
    Black did not fix this problem
    01-17-2014 03:38 PM
  17. jojoe42's Avatar
    Same issues with Black update. Photo looks great at first, but then the processing kicks in and it gets green and blurry. Sigh.
    I tended to notice the over-the-top colour saturation more in Amber than I did the yellowish tinge.....as for so-called "blurriness" of photos I did a little test using the Pro Cam (5MP oversampled version and 34MP full-resolution) and the default camera app (oversample 5MP image). I used my dog as a makeshift white balance card (her fur is pretty much whitist white) and a gauge as to how much detail the respective modes spit out. I cropped the images to the same ratio in photoshop and then screenshotted them in the default Photo Viewer (I'll explain why after the photos) Here are the photos (sorry for the grain I had to resize the overall images so I could upload them here):

    34MP image (cropped)
    pro34mp.jpg
    5MP Nokia Camera image (oversampled, cropped)
    pro5mp.jpg
    5MP Default Camera image (oversampled, cropped)
    default5mp.jpg

    The reason why I screenshotted the photos in my photo viewer on my computer with a 1080p display is because most computers/phones these days have a resolution of 1080p and so thus this is what the image initially looks like when you open the photo. On my 1080p 23" monitor, the 34MP image looks the "softest", followed by the 5MP Pro Cam image and finally the default Camera image. However if you zoom in on the 34MP image a little bit you get a similar "sharpness" to that of the default camera image:
    capture.jpg
    ...this is because there are merely not enough pixels for the 34MP image (zoomed out fully like the 5MP image) to show ALL the details present in the photo - if we were to have a 4K monitor (I don't, sorry) then the 34MP would appear sharper than the 5MP images because there are more pixels present on the display and so more room to display the 'more pixels' in the 34MP image.

    This is why we all think the screenshotted "saving" image is better looking than the final image as well - think of oversampling except extremefied (you're not going to get a full-resolution digital viewfinder on this phone without some judder) and you get the viewfinder/"saving" image - the camera will oversample and thus have the viewfinder at a lower resolution that it can handle to stream live to the screen without judder. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the 5MP image...at this point in time the ridiculous megapixel count gives more benefit to reframing and oversampling that simply an initially "sharper" picture as our screens don't have nearly as many pixels as the photos contain.

    As for the green/yellow tinges I don't notice them too much.....although I do prefer RAW images myself because I have more granular control over the settings
    Last edited by jojoe42; 01-18-2014 at 08:59 PM.
    01-18-2014 08:47 PM
  18. AndrewL920's Avatar
    Black Update did not fix this problem
    01-19-2014 10:19 AM
  19. Snazrael's Avatar
    I dont get it. My 1020 has blown away my expectations since day one with and has only gotten better. Continues to impress me with each new situation. Sorry you guys aren't having the same experience 😥
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    01-19-2014 10:33 AM
  20. AndrewL920's Avatar
    I dont get it. My 1020 has blown away my expectations since day one with and has only gotten better. Continues to impress me with each new situation. Sorry you guys aren't having the same experience 😥
    Is your photo review turn on in the settings of Nokia Camera?
    01-19-2014 11:36 AM
  21. TheCrazySwede's Avatar
    I tended to notice the over-the-top colour saturation more in Amber than I did the yellowish tinge.....as for so-called "blurriness" of photos I did a little test using the Pro Cam (5MP oversampled version and 34MP full-resolution) and the default camera app (oversample 5MP image). I used my dog as a makeshift white balance card (her fur is pretty much whitist white) and a gauge as to how much detail the respective modes spit out. I cropped the images to the same ratio in photoshop and then screenshotted them in the default Photo Viewer (I'll explain why after the photos) Here are the photos (sorry for the grain I had to resize the overall images so I could upload them here):

    34MP image (cropped)
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    5MP Nokia Camera image (oversampled, cropped)
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    The reason why I screenshotted the photos in my photo viewer on my computer with a 1080p display is because most computers/phones these days have a resolution of 1080p and so thus this is what the image initially looks like when you open the photo. On my 1080p 23" monitor, the 34MP image looks the "softest", followed by the 5MP Pro Cam image and finally the default Camera image. However if you zoom in on the 34MP image a little bit you get a similar "sharpness" to that of the default camera image:
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    ...this is because there are merely not enough pixels for the 34MP image (zoomed out fully like the 5MP image) to show ALL the details present in the photo - if we were to have a 4K monitor (I don't, sorry) then the 34MP would appear sharper than the 5MP images because there are more pixels present on the display and so more room to display the 'more pixels' in the 34MP image.

    This is why we all think the screenshotted "saving" image is better looking than the final image as well - think of oversampling except extremefied (you're not going to get a full-resolution digital viewfinder on this phone without some judder) and you get the viewfinder/"saving" image - the camera will oversample and thus have the viewfinder at a lower resolution that it can handle to stream live to the screen without judder. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the 5MP image...at this point in time the ridiculous megapixel count gives more benefit to reframing and oversampling that simply an initially "sharper" picture as our screens don't have nearly as many pixels as the photos contain.

    As for the green/yellow tinges I don't notice them too much.....although I do prefer RAW images myself because I have more granular control over the settings
    ^This +1

    The whole WB issue with the 1020's JPEG processing keeps popping up on these forums over and over again, and yet, nobody reads sensible posts like the one above explaining why. I have, too, explained this exact thing again, and again, but nobody seems to want to care. Perhaps people don't want a solution; they just want to complain. The real culprit of the "blurry and saturated" photos is the phone's display. Even with the coolest colour profile, it still looks horrible. View the same image on a better display (If you have access to a Galaxy S4, try sending that phone a picture and see how different it looks) and you'll notice a huge difference. I've seen some amazing results from the 1020 displayed on a 2014 Macbook Pro (with Retina Display,) meanwhile those same pictures look less clear on my other laptop with 1366x786 resolution, and even worse on the phone itself. My biggest disappointment, by far, with the 1020 is the display. For high quality photos, you have to have a high quality display.

    For those of you who completely ignore the above, here are some simple solutions:
    1. Use Nokia's Auto-Fix feature (Helps in most cases)
    2. Use Creative Studio
    3. Shoot in RAW
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    01-19-2014 01:43 PM
  22. buxz777's Avatar
    Is your photo review turn on in the settings of Nokia Camera?
    there is no doubting that the image in the photo preview looks different to what the actual saved photo does ........ does that mean the 1020 is taking bad photos? no way , my 1020 is taking great pictures , ok now and again the auto settings could be a bit better but they have got a lot better with black as has the noise levels and colour balance

    can I just ask a very sensible question here ...... the raw data captured from the sensor before any processing would be the dng file? yes? no? I think personally yes , it is info straight from the sensor without any processing etc done to the picture so this should reflect what the 1020 is taking from the sensor ....... not a preview image showing what has been captured ..... so what does the preview image show? the processed image that the phone has made? well it could be? a half processed image? well that is possible but surely this isn't the way it would be done? a quick sample of the image? again possible and it could explain why the preview is different from the saved processed jpeg?? I don't know but I do know that the raw data from the sensor is in the dng file and not what you see on the screen after the photo has been taken ...... the photo on the screen after the picture has been taken has to either be a quick preview shot , the processed image or something else

    I think the user above me jojoe has come up with a logical explanation to why the preview image looks different/better and it has nothing to do with processing but more to do with pixels/the screen its being viewed on for the following reasons

    a) the raw data can be seen in the dng file which is different to the preview shot so the preview shot is not a raw image before the processing, which means that this is not a case of nokias bad processing

    b) the processed image is different to the preview shot so how can the preview shot be a processed shot? how many processes does the 1020 do , it does not process the same image multiple times displaying one as a quick preview and then saving another this would be ridiculous

    there seems to be a lot of assumptions in this thread but if you ask some questions then really it looks like jojoe has come up with a very logical explanation?? I think the biggest question is what is the preview image , it isn't the raw data and it isn't the processed image so what is it?? surely it has to be the processed image just being displayed different??

    as the crazy swede and jojoe has said it has to be something to do with pixels/screen not bad processing from raw data to jpeg ....... in fact nokias processing is some of the best you will see , even better then some very very good cameras that take great raw images but are let down in jpeg mode to bad processing!!

    check your pictures out on a 1080p hd monitor or tv ...... they look amazing on my 40" Samsung 1080p tv ...... a decent photo is literally jaw dropping ;-)
    Last edited by buxz777; 01-19-2014 at 04:21 PM.
    01-19-2014 01:55 PM
  23. chmun77's Avatar
    It seems that 1020 has difficulty focusing on people in dim places. It is able to capture good lights, but somehow the background looks sharper than people in the photos, although i have already tapped focus on the foreground. Something is just not right.
    01-19-2014 07:23 PM
  24. jojoe42's Avatar
    It seems that 1020 has difficulty focusing on people in dim places. It is able to capture good lights, but somehow the background looks sharper than people in the photos, although i have already tapped focus on the foreground. Something is just not right.
    Most cameras will have issues focusing in low-light - have you made sure the focus assist light is on? The other way is to use manual focus, which can give mixed results if you're taking a portrait

    there is no doubting that the image in the photo preview looks different to what the actual saved photo does ........ does that mean the 1020 is taking bad photos? no way , my 1020 is taking great pictures , ok now and again the auto settings could be a bit better but they have got a lot better with black as has the noise levels and colour balance

    can I just ask a very sensible question here ...... the raw data captured from the sensor before any processing would be the dng file? yes? no? I think personally yes , it is info straight from the sensor without any processing etc done to the picture so this should reflect what the 1020 is taking from the sensor ....... not a preview image showing what has been captured ..... so what does the preview image show? the processed image that the phone has made? well it could be? a half processed image? well that is possible but surely this isn't the way it would be done? a quick sample of the image? again possible and it could explain why the preview is different from the saved processed jpeg?? I don't know but I do know that the raw data from the sensor is in the dng file and not what you see on the screen after the photo has been taken ...... the photo on the screen after the picture has been taken has to either be a quick preview shot , the processed image or something else

    I think the user above me jojoe has come up with a logical explanation to why the preview image looks different/better and it has nothing to do with processing but more to do with pixels/the screen its being viewed on for the following reasons

    a) the raw data can be seen in the dng file which is different to the preview shot so the preview shot is not a raw image before the processing, which means that this is not a case of nokias bad processing

    b) the processed image is different to the preview shot so how can the preview shot be a processed shot? how many processes does the 1020 do , it does not process the same image multiple times displaying one as a quick preview and then saving another this would be ridiculous

    there seems to be a lot of assumptions in this thread but if you ask some questions then really it looks like jojoe has come up with a very logical explanation?? I think the biggest question is what is the preview image , it isn't the raw data and it isn't the processed image so what is it?? surely it has to be the processed image just being displayed different??

    as the crazy swede and jojoe has said it has to be something to do with pixels/screen not bad processing from raw data to jpeg ....... in fact nokias processing is some of the best you will see , even better then some very very good cameras that take great raw images but are let down in jpeg mode to bad processing!!

    check your pictures out on a 1080p hd monitor or tv ...... they look amazing on my 40" Samsung 1080p tv ...... a decent photo is literally jaw dropping ;-)
    The 1020 is not simply taking bad photos - like I said most the screens we have these days simply cannot show off how awesome the photos look because of a lack of pixels (on the screens).

    Yes, the raw camera data is the .dng file - when you take a regular JPEG photo, the phone will take the raw camera data and convert it into a JPEG. Obviously raw camera data converted straight into a photo can look bad without any processing, so the phone applies some general processing to the photo to make it look better which is what people are blaming for the so-called "bad" photos. Instead of doing all this, when you shoot in RAW/.DNG mode, the phone will take two photos - one being the raw camera sensor data, and then the phone will also process a separate copy of the raw camera data to produce an oversampled 5MP image which is the photo you see in the camera roll as WP does not allow viewing of .DNG files by default. So you are looking at a processed oversampled 5MP image on the phone but there is a separate file in the phone's storage that has the file extension .dng instead of .jpg

    In regard to the "processing" of the preview photo that you see when it is 'saving' and the final image, refer to my post earlier; when you see the 'saving' image or in the digital viewfinder (live shooting preview) it is a lower resolution, "oversampled" preview - there is no processing involved in both the viewfinder mode or the 'saving' image - since both are at a lower resolution so it is at a manageable framerate, the sensor oversamples the given data to a lower resolution i.e. every 17 pixels are represented by 1 pixel on the viewfinder/screen, to reduce the constant computing power and thus CPU usage to show a live view. So if say one area of 17 pixels is black at centre and dark gray around the outside, the camera will "oversample" or average the colours in that area of 17 into one pixel - so in this case the actual 17 pixel area instead of being black at centre and grey around the outside will appear black (in that one pixel representing that area of 17) in the live viewfinder. The sensor will "average" out colours in the live/'saving' views and thus why some colours appear better in contrast because although not representative of the actual image, we can physically see the areas of darkness better because the lower resolution view matches the lower resolution screen, and so we aren't missing any detail. However on a larger screen this live preview/'saving' image would appear 'blurry' and would lack fine detail. I'm sorry this is probably not the best explanation....but I try :P

    So in conclusion, the preview/'saving' image, the final processed image and the raw camera data are all three separate things - the preview/'saving' image being the ridiculously colour inaccurate and ridiculously oversampled lower resolution view. the raw camera data just the data taken from the camera sensor and stored directly without any processing applied to it and the final JPEG processed image being the raw camera data fully processed to not look as harsh as the raw camera data is initially.
    01-19-2014 10:59 PM
  25. jojoe42's Avatar
    ^This +1

    The whole WB issue with the 1020's JPEG processing keeps popping up on these forums over and over again, and yet, nobody reads sensible posts like the one above explaining why. I have, too, explained this exact thing again, and again, but nobody seems to want to care. Perhaps people don't want a solution; they just want to complain. The real culprit of the "blurry and saturated" photos is the phone's display. Even with the coolest colour profile, it still looks horrible. View the same image on a better display (If you have access to a Galaxy S4, try sending that phone a picture and see how different it looks) and you'll notice a huge difference. I've seen some amazing results from the 1020 displayed on a 2014 Macbook Pro (with Retina Display,) meanwhile those same pictures look less clear on my other laptop with 1366x786 resolution, and even worse on the phone itself. My biggest disappointment, by far, with the 1020 is the display. For high quality photos, you have to have a high quality display.

    For those of you who completely ignore the above, here are some simple solutions:
    1. Use Nokia's Auto-Fix feature (Helps in most cases)
    2. Use Creative Studio
    3. Shoot in RAW
    Or try shooting in oversampled 5MP mode :P until we all have 4K/8K screens 38MP images will not look as great as they can be
    01-19-2014 11:06 PM
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