01-06-2014 08:01 PM
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  1. David Dawson1's Avatar
    hi im new here.

    ive recently bought the nokia lumia 1020 and im looking forward tot taking some nice pictures.
    i spend alot of time fishing so get the chance to take many pics.

    the question i have and need help with is this.

    ive took some pics,the 5mp and 34 mp look exactly the same on the phone and the pc?? no different??
    i can zoom in more on the larger pics but they still blur the same as the normal.i cant notice any difference at all.
    also whats the point of me taking a 34mp picture when i can only post on facebook or email a 5mp??

    tottally confused as my galaxy note is taking very simialr pics and is much easier to operate.im sure im doing something wrong.

    i cant get any imfo inline,where does the larger pic go and whats the point if i cant use it?im left with a 5mp?
    when i load upto pc i can see the other higher mp picture but like i said its the exact same?

    thx in advance

    dave
    01-01-2014 01:33 PM
  2. Emix1988's Avatar
    Hi and welcome.

    1st i think that you are not doing anything wrong, it's like that you can take 2 pics at same time.

    2nd No they are not the same. 5mp pics can't be same like 34mpx pics when you both zoom at 100%.

    HighRes pics are good for editing. 5mpx are for sharing and that's it.


    I have a feeling that you expected something more, something special?
    01-01-2014 02:21 PM
  3. David Dawson1's Avatar
    Ok thx for the reply.

    Im not expecting special but better than my galaxy note 2..

    The thing thats getting me is both of my pics are identical.no difference at all.
    I cant understand it i must be doing something wrong?
    01-01-2014 03:19 PM
  4. Emix1988's Avatar
    They both are much better than Note 2 trust me.

    And how do you mean identical? They should be identical. I told you 34/38mpx pics you can zoom much more to 100% you can see many details that you can't with other phones.
    And 5mpx are great for sharing, printing... And they have great details. Try zooming at 100% you will see how sharp and good quality they are.
    01-01-2014 03:35 PM
  5. taymur's Avatar
    How is your 38mp shot, be the same as the note 2! That's impossible.
    01-01-2014 03:46 PM
  6. Zerveone's Avatar
    They are not the same. From Your words I can say that you're not doing anything wrong. They look the same, but they aren't. For instance the large photo is a bit more soft than the smaller one (oversampling applies a lot of sharpening). As Emix said, just check your pictures at 100% zoom level, you're going to see the difference right away.

    About Your galaxy 2 comparison: Most of daylight photos look "the same" to a lot of people, especially if You're not paying attention to the details (Lumia shots are just plain better, but You need to know how to spot the difference). 1020 captures much more detailed pictures, just zoom them in to see it. What You need to learn is that the biggest advantage your new phone gives you is control over your shots. If You really want to see the difference, You need to start using creative mode controlling ISO, shutter speed, manual focusing and more. That's where Lumia 1020 excels over any other smartphone camera. Auto mode does the job if You want to get a "general picture", but that's not what photography is all about.
    01-01-2014 03:51 PM
  7. David Dawson1's Avatar
    ok thx guys

    im a novice when it comes to pics.
    what do you mean zoom 100%? what zoom in or out?
    if i zoom out to 100 it doesnt fit on my led tv and thats 32inch.


    sorry guys im confused thinking 5 mega pixel means a poorer photo than say a 10 mega pixel or 34 mega pixel ect.?

    sorry to be a pain but trying to get my head round it.
    so i can ajust my 34 megapixel pic and then reduce it to 5 mega pixel and it will look better than the one i have ? if so how do i save it to 5 megapixel after i have altered it?
    i take it the phone does that for me?

    again sorry but im very new to this side of taking pics,my camera is point and shoot and then send wireless to face book or usb to pc.


    thx


    dave
    01-01-2014 05:20 PM
  8. Paul May's Avatar
    You kind of answered your own question. The MP count refers to the size of the picture. That's why when you zoom to 100% it is too big for your screen, whereas the 5MP version is smaller and oversampled for better quality. The idea behind the 38mp is for Bigger pictures with more detail so the can be zoomed and cropped to your liking without losing as much quality like you would lose on the 5mp. You will see he 5mp at 100% scale and 38mp at 100% scale are different in that they both should have the same or similar quality picture but the 38mp keeps that quality on a larger scale.
    David Dawson1 likes this.
    01-01-2014 07:03 PM
  9. headphoneus's Avatar
    Okay, let me answer your question.

    When you click a picture on 1020 with Nokia Camera app, it saves two jpeg versions (5mp and 38mp).
    The 5 mp version is oversampled with large pixels and can be viewed directly in Camera library while the 38 mp normal sampled shot is only visible while reframing or with some special apps (see below)

    Over sampling is the reason 5mp looks as good as a 38mp shot. Although, if you open both the pictures together side by side on computer, you can appreciate the small differences.

    Select Hi-res folder when using the app: Phriz.be phriz.be | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)

    Click here to see Lumia 1020's power: http://m.youtube.com/#/playlist?feat...eltpZAVS8g-L9M

    Ps. The Quality of Lumia 1020 shines when you test the DOF (Depth of Field). The bokeh effects you can get in 1020 are impossible to get on your Note 2. Have you tried using the Lossless zoom feature? Notes or iPhones don't even come close.

    Hope this post answered all your questions! :)
    Last edited by headphoneus; 01-02-2014 at 01:48 AM. Reason: inaccurate info removed
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    01-01-2014 11:45 PM
  10. Bahamen's Avatar
    The 5 mp version is oversampled with large pixels (HTC One uses this technology in HTC One 4mp camera over sampling a 8mp shot).
    Not trying to nitpick here but HTC One uses an actual 4MP sensor, not oversampled from an 8MP sensor. Unlike Nokia's technology it is not possible to recover a high resolution image from the HTC1. It was a rather dumb engineering decision which has haunted HTC ever since.
    01-02-2014 12:16 AM
  11. headphoneus's Avatar
    Not trying to nitpick here but HTC One uses an actual 4MP sensor, not oversampled from an 8MP sensor. Unlike Nokia's technology it is not possible to recover a high resolution image from the HTC1. It was a rather dumb engineering decision which has haunted HTC ever since.
    Not a problem. I was actually not sure about it. Thanks, edited!
    01-02-2014 01:46 AM
  12. David Dawson1's Avatar
    Cool thx guys getting the hang of it now.
    Just to clear one other thing please.when ive chosen my pic i want of the 34mp pic my phone automatically
    Saves it to 5 mp....is this the right size? Or am i supossed to alter on my pc .
    Thx for the links as well.
    Im getting there now.
    I have nokia procam but it doesnt have a timer or voice but it takes a good pic.
    I also have proshot which is user friendly and u can save uptp 12mp but im finding the nokia procam takes slightly better pics even at 5mp

    Wish the procam had a way i could take a self shot as like i said its for fishing.seeing as though i cant see
    Myself the zoom and croping is dead handy.

    Thx for the help really appreciate it.think i can go ahead and sell my note 2 now.only got the nokia for
    Camera and feel as though i understand more now.only a little though.
    Oh when ive picked a frame i want to us3 from the 34mp pic its more blurry what would i use to clea4
    It up best.is the nokia sofware on the phone good enough?


    Thx


    Dav3
    01-02-2014 01:36 PM
  13. Moiz Mian's Avatar
    Not trying to nitpick here but HTC One uses an actual 4MP sensor, not oversampled from an 8MP sensor. Unlike Nokia's technology it is not possible to recover a high resolution image from the HTC1. It was a rather dumb engineering decision which has haunted HTC ever since.
    The concept is similar though. Nokia is using oversampling to achieve a similar output as HTC's One. Of course having the option for high megapixel count gives you a lot of benefits as well, but pixel-peeping is not so good with such tiny pixels.
    01-02-2014 01:41 PM
  14. Moiz Mian's Avatar
    Cool thx guys getting the hang of it now.
    Just to clear one other thing please.when ive chosen my pic i want of the 34mp pic my phone automatically
    Saves it to 5 mp....is this the right size? Or am i supossed to alter on my pc .
    Thx for the links as well.
    Im getting there now.
    I have nokia procam but it doesnt have a timer or voice but it takes a good pic.
    I also have proshot which is user friendly and u can save uptp 12mp but im finding the nokia procam takes slightly better pics even at 5mp

    Wish the procam had a way i could take a self shot as like i said its for fishing.seeing as though i cant see
    Myself the zoom and croping is dead handy.

    Thx for the help really appreciate it.think i can go ahead and sell my note 2 now.only got the nokia for
    Camera and feel as though i understand more now.only a little though.
    Oh when ive picked a frame i want to us3 from the 34mp pic its more blurry what would i use to clea4
    It up best.is the nokia sofware on the phone good enough?


    Thx


    Dav3
    If you zoom in ALL the way, it's going to be more blurry, but if you stick to some 2-3x zoom, the pictures will look great.
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    01-02-2014 01:43 PM
  15. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    How are you seeing them on your PC, are you emailing them from your phone ?
    You won't get a 38MP ( not 34MP) sent by email. Connect your phone to your PC and open the Camera Roll file and copy picture both pictures
    and then view each full size, you'll see the huge difference.
    David Dawson1 likes this.
    01-02-2014 01:50 PM
  16. Bahamen's Avatar
    The concept is similar though. Nokia is using oversampling to achieve a similar output as HTC's One. Of course having the option for high megapixel count gives you a lot of benefits as well, but pixel-peeping is not so good with such tiny pixels.
    No, the concept is not similar at all. HTC basically said OK, cameras have been going from 1MP to 3MP to 5MP to 8MP to 13/16MP, let's step back to where we were a few years ago and settle at 4MP.

    Nokia started by using a large sensor (4x larger than others) with high resolution to enable a reasonable zooming capability. If zooming or reframing is not required then the pixels are combined to create a cleaner and sharper image.

    The approach is fundamentally different and I believe HTC's is sadly fundamentally flawed as many reviews have panned its camera performance. It's not even on par with the iPhones and Galaxies, let alone the 1020 or 1520. They have betted on the false premise that how you slice a cake can make a big difference in image quality while Nokia simply uses a larger cake.
    01-03-2014 04:50 AM
  17. undulose's Avatar
    On another note, the images you see on your phone have lower resolution t than the actual photos. You can only see the real resolution with a PC or when you buy the HD Viewer app.
    01-03-2014 05:10 AM
  18. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    On another note, the images you see on your phone have lower resolution t than the actual photos. You can only see the real resolution with a PC or when you buy the HD Viewer app.
    If you're on the 1020 or 1520, this isn't really the case. For starters, the files you end up viewing are the 5MP downsampled photos.

    This is on the HD Viewer app, that is.
    01-03-2014 05:40 AM
  19. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    They will look the same on whatever device you put them on. Even a 42" 1080p TV is only capable of showing a 2mpx picture unzoomed. You will never see a difference between the 38mpx and 5mpx unless you zoom. Simply because there aren't any screens out there that can show the detail.
    vietgamedev likes this.
    01-03-2014 07:46 AM
  20. Cheewii Poon's Avatar
    Cool thx guys getting the hang of it now.
    Just to clear one other thing please.when ive chosen my pic i want of the 34mp pic my phone automatically
    Saves it to 5 mp....is this the right size? Or am i supossed to alter on my pc .
    Thx for the links as well.
    Im getting there now.
    I have nokia procam but it doesnt have a timer or voice but it takes a good pic.
    I also have proshot which is user friendly and u can save uptp 12mp but im finding the nokia procam takes slightly better pics even at 5mp

    Wish the procam had a way i could take a self shot as like i said its for fishing.seeing as though i cant see
    Myself the zoom and croping is dead handy.

    Thx for the help really appreciate it.think i can go ahead and sell my note 2 now.only got the nokia for
    Camera and feel as though i understand more now.only a little though.
    Oh when ive picked a frame i want to us3 from the 34mp pic its more blurry what would i use to clea4
    It up best.is the nokia sofware on the phone good enough?


    Thx


    Dav3
    Hi Dav,

    I don't think there is a voice activated capture right now, but there is a timer for Pro Cam. Just click on the 3 small dots on the bottom right and click timer, then choose how long you want the timer to be. Also you can use the camera on the front (which is not as good) by pressing the same 3 dots and then "front-facing".

    Because it is 34mp, you can zoom in a bit without making the picture blurry and unclear, but it is not a normal camera that has moving lens, so you cannot zoom in too much like normal camera.

    Good luck!
    01-03-2014 08:46 AM
  21. ArmedandDangerous's Avatar
    No, the concept is not similar at all. HTC basically said OK, cameras have been going from 1MP to 3MP to 5MP to 8MP to 13/16MP, let's step back to where we were a few years ago and settle at 4MP.

    Nokia started by using a large sensor (4x larger than others) with high resolution to enable a reasonable zooming capability. If zooming or reframing is not required then the pixels are combined to create a cleaner and sharper image.

    The approach is fundamentally different and I believe HTC's is sadly fundamentally flawed as many reviews have panned its camera performance. It's not even on par with the iPhones and Galaxies, let alone the 1020 or 1520. They have betted on the false premise that how you slice a cake can make a big difference in image quality while Nokia simply uses a larger cake.
    You are intentionally not including further information on HTC's choices to go with the 4MP route. No, the HTC One does not oversample like the Lumia 1020, but it does have bigger photosites which DOES make a very big difference in the amount of light being captured. Almost nothing touches the HTC One in low light, it's the brightly lit areas where the HTC One is most weak at. It has terrible dynamic range with blown highlights and washed out blacks. Two phones good at two different things. The 1020 doesn't hold a candle to the HTC One's low-light performance while the HTC One can only dream of resolving as much detail as the 1020.
    01-03-2014 08:56 AM
  22. Bahamen's Avatar
    You are intentionally not including further information on HTC's choices to go with the 4MP route. No, the HTC One does not oversample like the Lumia 1020, but it does have bigger photosites which DOES make a very big difference in the amount of light being captured.
    Oh, I think I've covered HTC One's 4MP camera pretty well. As I said, we have progressed from 1MP to 4MP to 8MP to 16MP, and HTC just decided to wind the clock a few years back to 4MP. Don't get too caught up with the "Ultrapixel" BS, in fact, the iPhone 4 already had a revolutionary Ultrapixel camera 3 years ago with their 5MP camera on a 1/3.2" BSI sensor, before they wisely threw out their i-Ultrapixel technology in the iPhone 4S's 8MP camera. If you are interested in numbers, the HTC One's pixel size of 2 microns is barely larger than iPhone 4's 1.75 micron, 3 years ago.

    Another trivia: Nokia N95's 5MP camera had pixel size of 2.2 microns, 6 years ago.

    Almost nothing touches the HTC One in low light, it's the brightly lit areas where the HTC One is most weak at. It has terrible dynamic range with blown highlights and washed out blacks. Two phones good at two different things. The 1020 doesn't hold a candle to the HTC One's low-light performance while the HTC One can only dream of resolving as much detail as the 1020.
    The 1020 is not meant to shoot at full resolution (except for reframing/zooming purposes). By default it is downsampled to 5MP (i.e., effective pixel size of 3.2 microns) which produces very good images at lowlight.
    Juanma Herrera likes this.
    01-04-2014 03:21 AM
  23. David Dawson1's Avatar
    Great replie guys really appreciate it.

    Just one last question......
    The nokia 1020 save s 2 pics.the 5 mp one that i can see and email and share or the 34mp i can see on pc.
    If i was happy with the 5mp one and didnt want to zoom in .is there a way it could look better if i shared the 34mp
    One instead or wouodnit look the same in quality.u know sharing on facebook or websites or printing off
    Say postcard size.

    Or is the 34 mp pic just there so i can zoom in to different parts and then have to save to 5mp
    Thats whats really confusing me most. I allways like to have or use the best of what i have.so when i rent
    A movie from the local store it will be blueray.i have normal dvd but why would i watch that when in
    Also have a blueray player.if the picture was the same quality id use the cheaper dvd player.

    Hope that makes some sense


    Thx


    Dave
    01-04-2014 04:11 PM
  24. Paul May's Avatar
    There is no way to use the 38mp file from the phone to post to Facebook. If you put it on your computer and used that as the picture to post to Facebook I don't think it would look any better. Facebook will scale the picture anyway to be within their parameters and size.

    Your best bet would be to save the Hi-resolution images to SkyDrive and set it to public view and then post the link on Facebook for everyone to view that way.
    01-04-2014 04:24 PM
  25. TheCrazySwede's Avatar
    Great replie guys really appreciate it.

    Just one last question......
    The nokia 1020 save s 2 pics.the 5 mp one that i can see and email and share or the 34mp i can see on pc.
    If i was happy with the 5mp one and didnt want to zoom in .is there a way it could look better if i shared the 34mp
    One instead or wouodnit look the same in quality.u know sharing on facebook or websites or printing off
    Say postcard size.

    Or is the 34 mp pic just there so i can zoom in to different parts and then have to save to 5mp
    Thats whats really confusing me most. I allways like to have or use the best of what i have.so when i rent
    A movie from the local store it will be blueray.i have normal dvd but why would i watch that when in
    Also have a blueray player.if the picture was the same quality id use the cheaper dvd player.

    Hope that makes some sense


    Thx


    Dave
    I think there's a bit of confusion about what exactly is going on inside of your phone's camera and software.
    The phone has a 41MP sensor (38MP usable.) When you take a photo, it uses that large sensor to take the shot. It then creates and over-sampled shot in 5MP, which is much smaller in size, but delivers the same image. On your phone, the 5MP and the 38MP photo will look identical. The benefit of the photo that isn't oversampled to 5MP is editing. Every time you save a JPEG, you lose quality. Try it for yourself: Pick a photo, then open it up in Nokia Creative Studio. Barely alter the image (Clarity, Brightness, etc.) and save it. Do this over and over and you'll notice that the quality gets lost more and more with every save. The larger 38MP photo is less prone to this when you initially edit the photo, because it isn't an oversampled image like the 5MP. If you really want to stack up on quality control, you can use the new RAW feature issued in Nokia Black's Firmware update, which lets you shoot photos that are un-processed all together, allowing you to edit them without any loss of quality. These photos, in comparison, are 4-5 times larger than the 38MP JPEG photo. By comparison, the 38MP is also vastly larger than the 5MP. Starting to see a pattern here?

    In short, the photos you view that are 5MP are not made for editing, but for sharing. The 38MP can be edited without sacrificing too much quality, and the RAW photos are made for post-processing and sacrifice no quality. I hope this information helps.
    01-04-2014 04:27 PM
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