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  1. RFPhotog's Avatar
    I've got the photo gallery app tiled on the home screen of my phone. There are sample photos that, unfortunately, get installed with the Nokia camera app and that show on the slideshow of the gallery app. I've deleted all the sample photos I can find from within the Nokia camera app. There are still sample images on the home screen slideshow rather than my own uploaded photos; however. These sample photos do not appear in the camera role nor in any albums. How can Inget these things off my phone? Or, at the very least, get them out of the rotating slideshow on the home screen?

    Thanks.
    01-14-2014 06:25 PM
  2. rain620's Avatar
    Favourite the photos from any album you want to appear on the tile. They should show after doing that.
    01-14-2014 06:36 PM
  3. RFPhotog's Avatar
    Thanks, that'll work but it's less than optimal. I want these sample images off the phone.
    01-14-2014 09:06 PM
  4. buxz777's Avatar
    delete them , then they are probably stored in the cache of the app or system memory , try going to storage and deleting temp files as well ;-) if not I wouldn't worry if they are deleted and not showing in any album then they are gone , did they get backed up to skydrive as well?? if so try deleting them from there ;-)
    01-14-2014 09:33 PM
  5. RFPhotog's Avatar
    Thanks. I don't use Skydrive so they shouldn't be there.

    As far as deleting them, yes that's what I'd like to do but I can't FIND them on the phone. I've tried plugging the phone into my desktop computer to access the folder structure but there are only a few folders that MS allows access to. There is no access to a Temp folder. I've looked in the Pictures main folder and all the subfolders and these images are not there. Yet they show up on the home screen in the Gallery widget. I don't want images that are not mine showing up.
    01-15-2014 07:42 AM
  6. buxz777's Avatar
    I meant temp files/cache in settings I should have been more clear

    settings - storage - scroll down - delete temp files ;-)

    if not they may be embedded in the system files , also mine don't show up any more , they seem to have stopped showing as my camera roll has filled up ;-)
    01-15-2014 09:47 AM
  7. RFPhotog's Avatar
    There is no Storage option in the Settings of the Gallery app. At least not that I can see. When I go into the Gallery app, I'm presented with the Camera Roll, Albums, etc. choices. I tap on the ... in the bottom right, choose Settings and there's nothing there related to Storage.
    01-15-2014 10:32 AM
  8. Ixia's Avatar
    The settings option from the phone menu, not the gallery menu...Settings-system-phone storage, click on phone, click on temporary files for option to delete.
    01-15-2014 12:58 PM
  9. Ixia's Avatar
    I'd also be tempted to unpin the tile, delete temp files, then repin.
    01-15-2014 01:00 PM
  10. RFPhotog's Avatar
    No difference with either option.

    Gotta say, as a long time Android user, Windows/Nokia is a POS.
    01-15-2014 01:25 PM
  11. buxz777's Avatar
    No difference with either option.

    Gotta say, as a long time Android user, Windows/Nokia is a POS.
    one mans silver is another mans gold and all that , I sold my s4 for the 1020 and I wont be going back to android in a hurry no way , lucky we have choices ey , if its that much of a pos why not sell up and go back to android? life is to short to be unhappy with lil things that can easily be changed ;-)

    anyways there has been two suggestions which will fix your issue , save photos as faves so they show up on the photo tile or fill up your camera roll a bit so the demo photos don't show ....... both these options will fix your issue ...... now lets not pretend that widgets on android don't need setting up and just magically work as you want them to as soon as you install them in fact android phones take so much setting up its unreal ...... this photo tile is like a widget really you just save your fave pics and it will show them ....... I am sure photo widgets on android would want you to choose your fave pics or would randomly scroll just like the tile is
    01-15-2014 01:48 PM
  12. RFPhotog's Avatar
    Well, set 7 or 8 images from my Albums as favourites and nothing changed. The sample images still show up in the widget. Went out this afternoon and took some shots, so have 7 or 8 in the Camera Roll...... sample images still show in the widget.

    As far as Android widgets go, no I'm not saying that everything works perfectly out of the box with Android. But at least I can get things to look the way I want. The widget issue isn't the only thing that I find odd about this phone. I outline a number of other shortcomings here, Nokia Lumia 1020 – Does it Live Up to the Hype? | RF-Photography.

    Not the least of it is that there is effectively no tech support from Nokia. HTC, Samsung, Sony and Asus aren't always great, but at least support exists.

    Anyway, it appears this sample images/photos widget is a more difficult one to resolve. I posted this question on the Nokia forum as well and there's been zero response.

    I'm not trying to start an argument or get anyone upset. I'd like to see the Nokia/Windows platform grow to be a viable competitor to Apple and Android, but right now my hopes aren't high.
    01-15-2014 05:18 PM
  13. Ixia's Avatar
    The POS could possibly offend. :/
    But it would appear you're not the only one with this issue.
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...-pictures.html

    I use HD Viewer's live tile to display my photos and have the official photo app just as a small tile. But even with HD viewer you have to select your favourites.
    01-16-2014 01:43 AM
  14. tehaer's Avatar
    After deleting the sample photos, go to main Gallery screen, press more in lower right corner and tap "Use random photos". It will fix your tile and background in the main Gallery screen. Always works on mine 1020.
    rain620 likes this.
    01-16-2014 01:45 AM
  15. RFPhotog's Avatar
    I'm sorry if POS offends, but if you read my review, there's a lot wrong with this phone from a photography perspective. If it's an issue with other Nokia phones as well then it must be a programming issue that Nokia or MS need to sort out.

    Tehaer, when you say "main gallery screen", I'm not sure what you're referring to. Are you referring to the first screen that appears after pressing the tile on the home screen? If so, then 'use random photos' isn't one of the choices when pressing ... but Shuffle background is. Is that what you're referring to?
    01-16-2014 06:15 AM
  16. Bahamen's Avatar
    I outline a number of other shortcomings here, Nokia Lumia 1020 – Does it Live Up to the Hype? | RF-Photography.
    I read your blog. One particular quote caught my attention:
    The app landscape for Windows mobile devices is pretty barren at the time of writing, November 6, 2013. There are no third-party gallery apps that I could find.
    Ever heard of HD Photo Viewer?
    01-16-2014 08:54 AM
  17. Bahamen's Avatar
    I outline a number of other shortcomings here, Nokia Lumia 1020 – Does it Live Up to the Hype? | RF-Photography.
    I'm finding more and more issues with your blog. Wow, I think you have a credibility issue.
    01-16-2014 08:58 AM
  18. RFPhotog's Avatar
    I have heard of HD Photo Viewer. I didn't become aware of it till after I wrote the article. I haven't updated the article to note it because it's not very good. It's better than the stock app but still far less than optimal. When I think of a gallery app, I'm thinking of apps like QuickPik, F-Stop Gallery or Port4Droid on the Android platform.

    Scrolling from image to image with HD Photo Viewer is not a smooth experience. It's not possible to flip to the next image if the phone is in the horizontal (landscape) position and the photo is zoomed in at all. The image has to be zoomed out to the smallest size before the image can be flipped to the next one. The ordering is still random. The control buttons remain on screen when images are being flipped through. I want a clean presentation, with images in the proper order and with smooth scrolling. HD Photo Viewer doesn't do that.

    You found issues with the blog article? OK, I'm happy to hear them. What are they? If something is factually incorrect then I'm quite happy to be corrected and to make the correction in the article. If it's a matter that is more subjective then, obviously, it's more open to interpretation. I'm happy to have the discussion.
    01-16-2014 09:48 AM
  19. Bahamen's Avatar
    You found issues with the blog article? OK, I'm happy to hear them. What are they? If something is factually incorrect then I'm quite happy to be corrected and to make the correction in the article. If it's a matter that is more subjective then, obviously, it's more open to interpretation. I'm happy to have the discussion.
    First of all, that title in your blog is rather provocative. With that 'hype' label I presume that you must have done some research on the 1020, beyond just "41MP", "OIS" and "RAW". You must have read the reviews and various people's comments. The relevant timeline - Nov 6, 2013 - means that the 1020 has already been out for several months and much has already been known about it. You must have seen the many many samples.

    Surely you must know the general consensus that the 1020's images tend to be more vivid, contrasty, saturated, punchy. Some people may prefer a more natural look, others may absolutely love it. This is highly subjective.

    My point is: If your preference was for more natural look, and if you had known the 1020 produces more saturated and boosted colours, then why the heck did you buy and review it? Of course the end result is exactly predictable - you are going to dislike it and bit** about it. So why did you even bother?

    Further, you already knew by the time you purchased the phone, that RAW capability was coming to 1020 which would address that colour saturation issue, so that regardless what your personal preference is you have the full flexibility to make your own adjustments. Again, why bother coming out with that article knowing that a solution is already imminent?

    That whole article sounds like a poorly researched "gotcha!" piece. You did not even bother to find whether there are any third party photo gallery apps before dissing the phone. And frankly, you come across as being too eager to diss it. How good is that HD Photo Viewer app, that is a separate issue. The point is that you did not even bother looking for it. I note that your account is newly created with this thread being your first post at WPC. Perhaps you could have created an account earlier to ask for recommendations about third party photo gallery apps before writing that article?

    And what's very surprising for a photographer - you've only made scant reference to image quality. Most of your photos are Facebook thumbnail sized that hides the flaws from the HTC One X. In that solitary 100% crop from the HTC One X, you can clearly see "blockiness and blotchiness" in the HTC One X's photo while the 1020's is much better. You noted that the HTC is noisier but you sure didn't dwell too long on this. How about giving credit to the Nokia where credit is due? Why complain about "blocky and blotchy" only for the 1020 in 38MP mode at 100% crop? Surely you are aware that the Nokia downsamples to 5MP in order to produce a cleaner image? Surely you are aware that being stretched to 100% at 38MP means that you have cropped in much further than any other cameraphones are even capable of (without being severely pixelated)?

    We can summarize your article as follows: saturation, colour, saturation, colour, saturation, colour, saturation, colour, photo gallery, tech support. WAIT - what the heck does tech support have to do with the 1020's supposed hype??

    Image sharpness, noise and zoom? Nah, these aren't important for Commercial and Fine Art Photography.
    01-17-2014 07:33 AM
  20. RFPhotog's Avatar
    First, thanks for coming back and responding. I'll address your points individually below. Let me start by saying that a lot of the shortcomings I found were relative to what exists in the Android space, that is true. I also outlined what my 'mobile photographer' philosophy entails and the Nokia/Windows offerings don't meet that standard. Don't even come close, really. Not all of that is related to the camera. Some of it relates to the OS and the app landscape but I did note that as well.

    First of all, that title in your blog is rather provocative. With that 'hype' label I presume that you must have done some research on the 1020, beyond just "41MP", "OIS" and "RAW". You must have read the reviews and various people's comments. The relevant timeline - Nov 6, 2013 - means that the 1020 has already been out for several months and much has already been known about it. You must have seen the many many samples.
    Sure it's provocative. That's entirely the point. It's a title designed to try to generate views and attention. That's a known strategy for writing article titles. Not just for blogs. Newspapers and magazines have been doing it for decades. Yes, I saw samples others posted.

    Surely you must know the general consensus that the 1020's images tend to be more vivid, contrasty, saturated, punchy. Some people may prefer a more natural look, others may absolutely love it. This is highly subjective.
    Sure it's subjective. And yes I know what several other reviewers found. But, what I didn't know until I got the phone is that there are no options to adjust those parameters in the camera app. To me, that's a natural inclusion. The fact that Nokia didn't include them is, in my view, a mistake.

    My point is: If your preference was for more natural look, and if you had known the 1020 produces more saturated and boosted colours, then why the heck did you buy and review it? Of course the end result is exactly predictable - you are going to dislike it and bit** about it. So why did you even bother?
    See comment above. I disagree that the end result is predictable.

    Further, you already knew by the time you purchased the phone, that RAW capability was coming to 1020 which would address that colour saturation issue, so that regardless what your personal preference is you have the full flexibility to make your own adjustments. Again, why bother coming out with that article knowing that a solution is already imminent?
    Why bother? That's like the old question 'should I upgrade now or wait since a new model will be coming along in a few months'? It's a circular question that leaves people stuck in the mud. I wrote the review at the time I did because that was the state of play at that time. The Black update was originally scheduled to be released before the end of 2013 but was pushed back. I got the Black update on my phone last weekend. I've been out testing it the last few days and will be doing an extensive write-up on it as a follow up to the original review. Preview: It's pretty damned good - for a phone - and is a large leap ahead of the JPEG capability.

    That whole article sounds like a poorly researched "gotcha!" piece. You did not even bother to find whether there are any third party photo gallery apps before dissing the phone. And frankly, you come across as being too eager to diss it. How good is that HD Photo Viewer app, that is a separate issue. The point is that you did not even bother looking for it. I note that your account is newly created with this thread being your first post at WPC. Perhaps you could have created an account earlier to ask for recommendations about third party photo gallery apps before writing that article?
    Poorly researched? No. I'll take issue with that. I did, in fact, try to find other gallery apps and HD Photo Viewer didn't show up in my search. It's possible that the search string I used (and I don't remember what the exact search string was now) didn't cause it to appear in the results. I will grant that. But the fact remains that there are no good gallery apps, comparable to what is available for the iPhone or Android, in the WP app landscape. Yes, my account is newly created. No, I didn't have an account under another name to look for gallery app suggestions.

    And what's very surprising for a photographer - you've only made scant reference to image quality. Most of your photos are Facebook thumbnail sized that hides the flaws from the HTC One X. In that solitary 100% crop from the HTC One X, you can clearly see "blockiness and blotchiness" in the HTC One X's photo while the 1020's is much better. You noted that the HTC is noisier but you sure didn't dwell too long on this. How about giving credit to the Nokia where credit is due? Why complain about "blocky and blotchy" only for the 1020 in 38MP mode at 100% crop? Surely you are aware that the Nokia downsamples to 5MP in order to produce a cleaner image? Surely you are aware that being stretched to 100% at 38MP means that you have cropped in much further than any other cameraphones are even capable of (without being severely pixelated)?
    Well, I made several comments about image quality. My point was; however, that the image quality of the Nokia, overall, wasn't really any different from the HTC I was comparing to and, in several ways, it wasn't as good. Why complain about blocky and blotchy only the 38MP images? Because Nokia touts the quality of its sensor and resultant image quality of the full sensor. Yes I'm aware that the 5MP images are downsampled and I discussed that fairly extensively by saying it appears they're using a pixel averaging methodology rather than pixel binning. Nokia isn't talking so it's difficult to know for sure. You are not 'stretching' anything when cropping in to 100%. You are are not rezzing up the image at all, simply taking a small slice of the full size image. The bockiness I found is odd and disturbing. WRT the size of the images, all the images in the article are able to be zoomed to a larger image. There are limitations on image size when using Wordpress so it's not possible to post full size images. What you see in the HTC image you're referring to is a difference in noise. And I did note that the noise performance of the Nokia was better.

    We can summarize your article as follows: saturation, colour, saturation, colour, saturation, colour, saturation, colour, photo gallery, tech support. WAIT - what the heck does tech support have to do with the 1020's supposed hype??
    Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and.... yes. Colour and saturation (contrast too) are key components of image quality. The white balance issues are also key to image quality and colour accuracy. Tech support isn't a component of image quality but it is something that users care about and that Nokia offers next to nothing in the way of tech support is something that should be noted.

    Image sharpness, noise and zoom? Nah, these aren't important for Commercial and Fine Art Photography.
    I addressed sharpness, noise and zoom in the article. I noted that the images are oversharp - to me. I discussed the better noise performance relative to the HTC, particularly in night shots and I did note that the night shooting capability was quite good. Zoom? You don't think I addressed the zoom? I have to ask if you read the entire article. I absolutely addressed the zoom capability and said that it was very good. I showed examples compared to the HTC to prove how good it was. I also discussed why it is as good as it is. As far as whether these are important to me as a commercial and fine art photographer; of course they are. But.... I'm also not going to be using a phone camera for client work.

    Again, thank you for coming back and providing me with your feedback. I do appreciate it. You've noted no factual errors in the article so I won't be going back and making any changes from that standpoint. I will go back and clarify further the difference in the noise on the comparison of the two 100% crops because I think that's an important point. Well, I supposed the gallery app could be a factual error but I also had a caveat in the article to say there were no 3rd party gallery apps 'that I could find'. And as I said yesterday, HD Photo Viewer really isn't that good so it can't be recommended. You can say I didn't search, but I did. You'll just have to take my word for that. Yeah, I know, fat chance, right? Everything else you've noted are items that are subjective in nature. I understand that. I stated right upfront in the article that I didn't agree with many other reviews of the camera that were out there. I've had other users; including WP app developers, tell me they have similar feelings about the 1020.

    Now, as I also said, I have been working with the RAW capture capability and will be doing a write-up on that in the next couple of days. It's going to paint quite a different, and much more positive, picture (punny, I know) of the capabilities of the 1020. And what it will show is that the camera isn't so much the issue as the onboard JPEG conversion engine that Nokia has programmed. Based on what I've seen so far, while I wouldn't still use the camera for client work, it does appear to be quite a capable camera with RAW capture. Not, certainly, up to DSLR, M43 or other compact MILC level, but still pretty good.

    Here's something else to keep in mind when you're reading other reviews as well. Many of the review sites are dependent upon camera and gear manufacturers to send them equipment to review. As such, they can't be as forthcoming about problems or issues. They have to put as positive a spin on a piece of gear as they can.
    Last edited by RFPhotog; 01-17-2014 at 09:30 AM.
    01-17-2014 08:50 AM
  21. RFPhotog's Avatar
    As an update, I've published my findings on RAW capture with the 1020. In summary, I think this is what Nokia was expecting in terms of image quality when it produced this camera and planned the firmware update to include RAW capture. It's vastly superior to in-camera JPEG and makes the camera very useable. What this does illustrate is just how bad the JPEG rendering is in this camera.
    01-17-2014 01:42 PM

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