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02-08-2014 02:58 AM
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  1. anon(5650876)'s Avatar
    My friend has an iPhone 5S. I've a Lumia 1020. We both took photo in a dark room with ZERO lighting, using the flash (LED for iPhone, Xenon for 1020).

    iPhone 5S photos were visibly significantly brighter than 1020.
    The 1020 photos were very darker even with a powerful Xenon flash.

    **captured in full Auto settings **

    Colors were more natural for 5S than the saturated 1020.

    Please explain.
    Last edited by Muessig; 02-08-2014 at 03:13 AM. Reason: Clarified topic title
    02-05-2014 11:53 AM
  2. James8561's Avatar
    can you post the images?
    02-05-2014 11:57 AM
  3. DennisvdG's Avatar
    1020 will beat it easily without flash, props to 5s though
    Last edited by DennisvdG; 02-05-2014 at 12:36 PM.
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    02-05-2014 12:03 PM
  4. boovish's Avatar
    My friend has an iPhone 5S. I've a Lumia 1020. We both took photo in a dark room with ZERO lighting, using the flash (LED for iPhone, Xenon for 1020).

    iPhone 5S photos were visibly significantly brighter than 1020.
    The 1020 photos were very darker even with a powerful Xenon flash.

    **captured in full Auto settings **

    Colors were more natural for 5S than the saturated 1020.

    Please explain.
    That's probably because of the dual color LED flash. It can create up to 1001 colors, and it automatically chooses what color it makes.
    02-05-2014 12:15 PM
  5. Slater_GS's Avatar
    I think this thread should be "low light FLASH photography".
    1020 hands down when no flash is used and I am going with boovish as to why the 5s would seem to perform/look better with the flash on.
    02-05-2014 12:23 PM
  6. Crasstoe's Avatar
    The iPhone is designed to be used by morons hence the AUTO settings on the camera being superior to the 1020's AUTO settings, as the 1020 tries to push you towards using manual settings... at least that is the best explanation I can come up with.

    The thing I would ask you is, which closely replicated the ACTUAL scene? Do you have the ISO information for each photo? Normally flash photography gives you a scene with washed out colours and is actually far brighter than the scene in real life.
    02-05-2014 12:36 PM
  7. vlad0's Avatar
    I am surprised that the LED on the iPhone 5s can hang with the 1020... I would love to put it up against my 808
    02-05-2014 03:01 PM
  8. TheCrazySwede's Avatar
    My friend has an iPhone 5S. I've a Lumia 1020. We both took photo in a dark room with ZERO lighting, using the flash (LED for iPhone, Xenon for 1020).

    iPhone 5S photos were visibly significantly brighter than 1020.
    The 1020 photos were very darker even with a powerful Xenon flash.

    **captured in full Auto settings **

    Colors were more natural for 5S than the saturated 1020.

    Please explain.
    Can you please post the two comparison photos?
    It is possible that the iPhone shot with a longer shutter speed. The 1020 may have lowered the shutter speed to preserve quality and to prevent the picture from over-exposure to the powerful Xenon flash. Also, do remember to adjust your color profile in your 1020 if photos are too saturated.
    02-05-2014 03:49 PM
  9. Giddora's Avatar
    Just checked... The Iphone 5S takes MUCH worse pictures in dark settings than the 1020 does... Just a simple user-error.
    02-06-2014 02:05 PM
  10. boovish's Avatar
    Then show us your pictures
    02-06-2014 02:27 PM
  11. PureView's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 takes pretty average pictures under auto settings. The beauty of the iPhone is that it takes great pictures without giving any manual control. To make full use of the Lumia 1020, you gotta get down and dirty with the manual controls.
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    02-06-2014 03:25 PM
  12. anon(5650876)'s Avatar
    Lumia 1020 takes pretty average pictures under auto settings. The beauty of the iPhone is that it takes great pictures without giving any manual control. To make full use of the Lumia 1020, you gotta get down and dirty with the manual controls.
    I'll have to learn manual settings. I've 1020 since only 10 days. Then I'll compare once again.
    02-06-2014 07:22 PM
  13. Gilbert Marcoux's Avatar
    i happen to have both those phones, so here's a comparison, full auto, flash/no flash, iPhone 5s, Lumia pro cam (5mpx) and WP stock cam (5mpx)
    https://drive.google.com/folderview?...UU&usp=sharing
    02-06-2014 08:22 PM
  14. Bahamen's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 takes pretty average pictures under auto settings. The beauty of the iPhone is that it takes great pictures without giving any manual control. To make full use of the Lumia 1020, you gotta get down and dirty with the manual controls.
    I can't really agree with that. In good lighting the auto mode is sufficient in almost every situation except special cases like close-up where you may need manual focusing, or if you need to correct the white balance (for the most part, this has been rectified in the Black update).

    Of course with lowlight the shutter speed becomes more important. The auto mode tends to choose a faster shutter to prevent motion blur, but due to the OIS I'm usually comfortable with a slower shutter.
    02-06-2014 08:42 PM
  15. Bahamen's Avatar
    One more reason why the 1020 may be perceived to be more difficult to use is that the sensor size being far bigger means that it has a shallower depth of field, and it is more important to have the correct focus point. This can be more important in lowlight but that's because of the 1020's superior optics, rather than a weakness.
    02-06-2014 09:05 PM
  16. willied's Avatar
    i happen to have both those phones, so here's a comparison, full auto, flash/no flash, iPhone 5s, Lumia pro cam (5mpx) and WP stock cam (5mpx)
    https://drive.google.com/folderview?...UU&usp=sharing
    Google Drive? Eww! :P You should be using Sk...I mean...OneDrive. heh
    02-06-2014 11:16 PM
  17. Crasstoe's Avatar
    i happen to have both those phones, so here's a comparison, full auto, flash/no flash, iPhone 5s, Lumia pro cam (5mpx) and WP stock cam (5mpx)
    https://drive.google.com/folderview?...UU&usp=sharing
    Looking at those the only reason the iPhones photo may look better is the wood isn't as washed out, but to be honest you could use ANY SLR that close and the Xenon flash would wipe out the colour. If you were a tiny bit further away you wouldn't get as much reflection off the wood and the colours would be more pleasing.
    02-07-2014 03:14 AM
  18. Demonchld's Avatar
    Lmao iPhone does not even come close I have a 5s and the Lumina iPhone is no where near it

    Also use manual mode auto is for iPhones make use of what Nokia gave u
    Microsoftjunkie likes this.
    02-07-2014 03:49 AM
  19. Demonchld's Avatar


    Not even close lol try taking that on a iPhone
    I have a 5s ill try and do a comparison in low light tmrw
    02-07-2014 03:50 AM
  20. Gilbert Marcoux's Avatar
    i can take some additional shots of different subjects
    02-07-2014 05:01 AM
  21. Gilbert Marcoux's Avatar
    i've taken additional shots of my cat on my lap. later this evening i'll take some outdoor shots
    https://drive.google.com/folderview?...UU&usp=sharing
    Last edited by Gilbert Marcoux; 02-07-2014 at 05:50 AM.
    02-07-2014 05:34 AM
  22. Localhorst86's Avatar
    http://imageshack.com/a/img834/4983/z1ka.jpg

    Not even close lol try taking that on a iPhone
    I have a 5s ill try and do a comparison in low light tmrw
    That picture makes me want to play GTA Vice City again...
    02-07-2014 06:50 AM
  23. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    One question, why wouldn't the 5S beat the 1020? Just because it has a 38mpx camera it doesn't make it the best.

    Also, set the 1020 to 4:3 mode for a proper comparison.
    02-07-2014 07:44 AM
  24. Gilbert Marcoux's Avatar
    If we're to do that, then we need to lower the resolution on the iPhone pics to 5MPX. My understanding was that we were comparing the low light capabilities. Not sure how the ratio would affect this. And you're correct, MPX don't matter. In full auto mode I still find that the 5S does better with colour representation in every other light setting. It's also quicker on the draw. But when I have time to setup the shot, I prefer to use my 1020 if not for the lossless zoom ability alone
    02-07-2014 07:55 AM
  25. Live2Deliver's Avatar
    I'm bad at explaining technicalities. First understand this. When flash is enabled cameras will fire two flash for Through-The-Lens exposure calculations. Before the actual exposure one or more small flashes, called "preflashes", are emitted. The light returning through the lens is measured and this value is used to calculate the amount of light necessary for the actual exposure.

    Now visit this site and jump straight to Metering Differences where they starts to talk about TTL metering and why our camera limits slowest (minimum) shutter speed, resulting in OP's complain. Four Flash Photography Basics we must know - Shutter speed does not affect flash.
    And understand the summary point 1. Flash is greatly affected by its inverse square distance,
    http://www.scantips.com/lights/flashbasics.html#1

    I know this article uses speedlight and studio flashes, but the basics and technicalities are the same for all kind of flash systems. To layman users, flash may seems simple, but in fact with and without it changes everything of how things works out.

    @OP, after reading, compare the EXIF of your iPhone photo and Lumia 1020, namely Shutter speed and ISO to understand more.

    To help you guys understand more about flash and shutter, take three pictures manual shutter w/ flash -> auto shutter with flash -> full auto no flash
    Compare

    If you are wondering why your shutter speed is stuck at 1/1000 sec even when you've set 1/16000 in pro mode, its about the Flash Sync Speed


    One more reason why the 1020 may be perceived to be more difficult to use is that the sensor size being far bigger means that it has a shallower depth of field, and it is more important to have the correct focus point. This can be more important in lowlight but that's because of the 1020's superior optics, rather than a weakness.
    sensor size don't affect DoF, aperture does. larger sensor size enables more light to be captured, of course having bigger pixel size (not count) is a plus too.
    Last edited by Live2Deliver; 02-07-2014 at 09:05 AM.
    02-07-2014 08:05 AM
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