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  1. Zamalekz's Avatar
    i am very hesitant , lumia 1020 is nearly 1 year old and the battery is low i think and screen is small , but the camera is very powerful , so should i wait for the next camera phone? or my sight to the lumia 1020 is wrong? what about the battery? how many hours it stands if i use facebook , watching youtube or taking photos? thanks !
    04-04-2014 08:00 AM
  2. filfat's Avatar
    Consider asking yourself this question first, "do I need the phone now?"
    If "yes" then go for it.
    If "no" then ask yourself "can I wait and see if there ever comes a new camera phone then buy it?"
    If "yes" then wait.
    If "no" go for it
    ven07 likes this.
    04-04-2014 08:25 AM
  3. filfat's Avatar
    Edit: double post.
    04-04-2014 08:25 AM
  4. 3earnhardt3's Avatar
    I personally don't believe we will see another 1020 quality camera in a phone again for a while. 1020 sales were not very good, and Nokia seems content with the 20mp shooter in the most recent devices.
    Ma1dere, ven07 and Avenzuno like this.
    04-04-2014 08:34 AM
  5. psychotron's Avatar
    Since the 1020 is a pretty unique device, I personally think that it will be some time before we see it's successor. Due to it's nature and the engineering requirements I honestly believe that it will take longer than the normal upgrade cycle for Nokia to come up with another handset with a high end camera like this one. I bought a 1020 just recently and don't regret it one bit. It still performs just as smoothly as any other Windows Phone 8 handset and will see the upgrade to 8.1. Battery life is definitely it's biggest challenge, though. I have found some days that it's about average and on other days when I'm using the web heavily I can easily eat up 30% or more of the battery by noon. Overall I generally get a days worth of average use (for me - checking email and Facebook about once or twice an hour, texting) out of it between 7:00 AM and 9:00 PM before I have to charge. Your mileage may vary depending on your habits, of course.
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    04-04-2014 08:36 AM
  6. psychotron's Avatar
    I personally don't believe we will see another 1020 quality camera in a phone again for a while. 1020 sales were not very good, and Nokia seems content with the 20mp shooter in the most recent devices.
    Actually, on the contrary, the 1020 has done pretty well: Galaxy S4 Lumia 1020 sales strong, BlackBerry 10 sales weak | BGR
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    04-04-2014 08:46 AM
  7. xandros9's Avatar
    i am very hesitant , lumia 1020 is nearly 1 year old and the battery is low i think and screen is small , but the camera is very powerful , so should i wait for the next camera phone? or my sight to the lumia 1020 is wrong? what about the battery? how many hours it stands if i use facebook , watching youtube or taking photos? thanks !
    Being one year old doesn't mean its bad or necessarily behind the curve. I picked up a 920 last September and it was already a year/year half old and I haven't had second thoughts.
    Its a fine device, it will work just fine as Windows Phone can run well with what its given.

    The battery is going to last around 16 hours or so with on-off use (should be on par with the Lumia 92x's) although constant use such as a web browsing, youtube binge would drain it faster like any other phone. It's not exactly bad unless you get a defective device, but then again it isn't exactly great battery life either.

    If you think the 4.5" display is dinky, then I suggest looking at the 1520. The battery is much better I hear, the display is a force to be reckoned with at a 6" panel which is also rather nice. Coupled with the highest specs in Windows Phone-land (and ones that stands up decently to the highest end of Androids) to date and a camera that still kicks ****. It won't stand up to the 1020, but that's because the 1020 is just that good.
    04-04-2014 09:00 AM
  8. Usman Mubashir's Avatar
    I presume the Nokia Lumia Goldfinger is the next 1020, its supposed to have "cutting edge technology" as WPCentral puts it and its due not until 2015, again as WPCentral deduces!. Thats a full year even from now!

    Sources:
    Report: Nokia's next Windows Phones to include '3D Touch' hand gesture support | Windows Phone Central

    Sorry, there is no Nokia 'Lumia 1820' | Windows Phone Central
    ven07 likes this.
    04-04-2014 09:02 AM
  9. vlad0's Avatar
    We should at least see an updated 1020 by the end of the year.. whatever they decide to call it. It might not be another leap forward in terms of imaging, but it should have updated hardware that can better match the camera.
    Beijendorf likes this.
    04-04-2014 01:28 PM
  10. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    It may be a while before we see a 1020 successor (i hope it is sooner and packs a blinking SD card slot!!!! Grrrrrr).

    That said, the current model is fantastic. I've got around having weak battery by carrying a blackberry q10 battery charger pack (something like 2800 mah and small and slim) so problem solved. I picked it up for under 20 on amazon uk - proces will vary but these accessories do go for cheap.

    That goldfinger wont be around anywhere before august, if that, so it really comes down to how fast you need a phone.
    04-04-2014 01:36 PM
  11. buxz777's Avatar
    simple question .... do you want to be taking great photos now or in quite a waits time ...... how many decent photos could you have taken while you was waiting for the 1020 big bro ..... time waits for no man and photo opportunities don't sit about and wait for you to get that new phone ;-)

    will you look back in 10 years time and think hummmm I wish I had bought tha yellow bad boy 1020 when I had the chance these pictures of that '' insert special day here'' would have been so much better ;-)
    Marlon Bu likes this.
    04-04-2014 02:50 PM
  12. Marlon Bu's Avatar
    The 1020 has a small screen? My 1020 has a 4,5 screen.
    04-05-2014 04:43 AM
  13. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    The 1020 has a small screen? My 1020 has a 4,5 screen.
    Welll considering the current development, it seems like next year the traditional 7" tablet will simply die and be replaced by 7" "phablets". I don't understand the size craziness myself, in the end it comes down to the user whether he or she wants a large screen or a more compact device.
    Personally I still think the 1020 is almost a bit too large for my tastes, so I don't have a single problem with the "tiny" 4.5" display ;)
    Marlon Bu likes this.
    04-05-2014 08:45 AM
  14. amrut_m's Avatar
    I would like to point out, 1020 upgrade wont come soon,
    Nokia does'nt like to repeat what they have achieved in the past. for eg
    N8 1st 12mp phone
    808 1st 41 mp phone
    920 1st phone wit OIS and great low light photography

    Now 1020 was that they combined 808 wit OIS and brought a new phone, it took a long time and good engineering and research.

    1820 wont be having 41 mp's but it will be what HTC has done wit ONE (M8), but in Nokia's way of doing it.

    it will take time for the 1020 to get a upgrade, 1020 is a niche device, not all want the 41mp sensor procuring on their phone.
    Now Nokia and MS are focused on penetrating and gaining the market share by giving out low cost and the phones which suit every1, like the 930.
    Marlon Bu likes this.
    04-05-2014 09:11 AM
  15. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I'm still rockin my yellow 1020 and have not seen any new phones come out yet that would persuade me into "upgrading"... the 1020 is STILL the king as far as photography goes... So if photography/imaging is important to you, the 1020 is still the best option...
    And I myself haven't had any issues with battery life as I also carry the Nokia camera grip with the extended battery. It lasts all day for me with taking many pictures, surfing the web, email, text, calls, etc etc.
    Also, the 4.5" screen is a perfect size for me... If I want to use a tablet, I just use my Surface 2 with it's 11.5" screen.
    04-05-2014 09:38 AM
  16. psychotron's Avatar
    1820 wont be having 41 mp's but it will be what HTC has done wit ONE (M8), but in Nokia's way of doing it.
    Where did you get this information? I would absolutely hate if they did this. My son has the HTC One and in my opinion the camera is not nearly as great as everyone says it is.
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    04-05-2014 10:35 AM
  17. Narr's Avatar
    I would like to point out, 1020 upgrade wont come soon,
    Nokia does'nt like to repeat what they have achieved in the past. for eg
    N8 1st 12mp phone
    808 1st 41 mp phone
    920 1st phone wit OIS and great low light photography

    .
    On the contrary Nokia have been regularly reusing the same tech (in a good way). Windows Phone 7 wasn't ready for the 41MP camera so they released the 808 even though Symbian was being retired and the 1020 was the same tech as the 808 only with WP8. The 920 on the other hand has been re-badged multiple times with very minor tweeks; 925, 928.

    I could very well imagine an updated 1020 with a 41MP camera but quad core.
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    04-05-2014 11:17 AM
  18. psychotron's Avatar
    I've found it interesting that externally the phone is designated the 1020, but if you look at the info on the phone in the "About" screen it says the model is 909, which would make sense if it had been running Symbian and succeeded the 808. I guess it really is it's spiritual successor even if it's running WP8, though.
    Usman Mubashir and Beijendorf like this.
    04-05-2014 11:32 AM
  19. amrut_m's Avatar
    Where did you get this information? I would absolutely hate if they did this. My son has the HTC One and in my opinion the camera is not nearly as great as everyone says it is.
    I'm talking about HTC ONE (M8) the new one,
    which has a camera and a sensor which makes it used for playing with the focus in the pictures,but it has many drawbacks.
    From what i know Nokia does'nt compromises on the Camera ever, so they dont make any gimicky things,

    Now their is a problem, some reports saying that their is no phone as 1820.
    But the Good news is that, their will be a new camera tech coming with Nokia, they have allready invested alot in graphene tech and Pelican Imaging,
    It is now time that we see it.
    04-05-2014 12:44 PM
  20. vlad0's Avatar
    On the contrary Nokia have been regularly reusing the same tech (in a good way). Windows Phone 7 wasn't ready for the 41MP camera so they released the 808 even though Symbian was being retired and the 1020 was the same tech as the 808 only with WP8. The 920 on the other hand has been re-badged multiple times with very minor tweeks; 925, 928.

    I could very well imagine an updated 1020 with a 41MP camera but quad core.
    The pureview technology in the 1020 and the 808 was a 5 year project prior to Nokia adopting WP... so the whole project was developed around the Symbian OS. I am still impressed that they managed to port it over to WP in two years or so.. I mean yes, they had the basic technology and the optics sort of ready, but still.

    Nokia won't just let the 41Mpix pureview stuff go that easily... they will milk that cow for a while by adding things to it like they did with the OIS system. Its too big of investment to be replaced so quickly. They might scale it down toward the mid range camera devices, but I don't think its time yet.. the 20Mpix module they are using for the 1520/Icon/930 is good enough for at least another year.
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    04-05-2014 12:52 PM
  21. psychotron's Avatar
    I'm talking about HTC ONE (M8) the new one,.
    So was I. He just got it a week or so ago when I upgraded my phone.
    04-05-2014 01:19 PM
  22. Bahamen's Avatar
    Where did you get this information? I would absolutely hate if they did this. My son has the HTC One and in my opinion the camera is not nearly as great as everyone says it is.
    There is no way Nokia would ever do a HTC on their cameras. If you observe the general trend, every HTC attempt in camera technology has originated from their feeble attempt at copying Nokia, but always with much more inferior implementation.

    1. The HTC One's Ultrapixel
    - The Ultrapixel has its roots in the Nokia 808. HTC was trying to imitate the 808's 41MP camera, but lacked the technical expertise to copy this wholesale. Instead, they copied Nokia's concept that an oversampled 5MP image would have good details with lower noise. HTC failed to realize that the key ingredient to the success of Nokia's camera is in the sensor and optics. You can't just use the same 1/3" sensor with 4MP and expect good results.

    2. OIS
    - This was an attempt to keep up with the Lumia 920, but with only 2-axis stabilization versus the 920's 3-axis, the HTC's OIS is inferior.

    3. Dual camera
    - It is widely known that Nokia is interested in Lytro-like technology, possibly with a camera lens array. The Nokia Refocus app provides the software implementation for existing cameras. HTC's solution is quite terrible. Instead of capturing images at multiple focal distances, which Nokia Refocus does, it merely measures depth and applying artificial blurring effect to an image taken at a fixed focal distance. So if you are taking close-up where the subject is in sharp focus while the background is already blurred, there is no way you can sharpen the background. The only thing you can do is blur the close-up subject but this would mean the entire picture will be blurred. It's just a mess. If HTC's hardware can't even match Nokia's software implementation, you can only imagine what happens when Nokia actually launches the camera array (if it does).

    Of these 3 attempts by HTC, I'd say only the OIS is reasonably useful and not gimmicky. Which surprises me that they pulled it from the M8 to make room for Dual Camera.

    There is simply no comparison between HTC and Nokia when it comes to camera technology. Nokia has introduced genuinely useful technology whereas HTC's has always been me-too and bordering on gimmicky. I don't see the possibility of Nokia doing a 4MP camera in future, but if they do, you can expect the result to blow everyone away.
    Last edited by Bahamen; 04-05-2014 at 09:39 PM.
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    04-05-2014 08:46 PM
  23. Bahamen's Avatar
    The pureview technology in the 1020 and the 808 was a 5 year project prior to Nokia adopting WP... so the whole project was developed around the Symbian OS. I am still impressed that they managed to port it over to WP in two years or so.. I mean yes, they had the basic technology and the optics sort of ready, but still.

    Nokia won't just let the 41Mpix pureview stuff go that easily... they will milk that cow for a while by adding things to it like they did with the OIS system. Its too big of investment to be replaced so quickly. They might scale it down toward the mid range camera devices, but I don't think its time yet.. the 20Mpix module they are using for the 1520/Icon/930 is good enough for at least another year.
    Actually, the 1020 was launched only one year after the 808, not two years. I'm quite sure adding OIS (which is a very useful feature in itself) also complicated the overall implementation and design decisions. I don't necessarily consider this to be "milking the cow". The 41MP is a genuinely successful technology which enables lossless zooming and clean oversampled images. The OIS really complements the 41MP by enabling even better handheld lowlight performance, as well as stabilized video (especially when zooming). So adding OIS to the 41MP really makes sense to me. If Nokia invents future technologies with better zooming, better lowlight and better stabilization, I'm quite sure they will do it. But Nokia's existing implementation is good enough as it is today. More likely they will tackle other problems in imaging (e.g. focusing etc).
    04-05-2014 09:52 PM
  24. buxz777's Avatar
    key words in your sentence ..... good enough .... why not make it better still ;-) bigger sensor .... keep the 41mp optics ..... bigger pixels for ultimate night time photography .... they can also work on focus and other things like improving ois further , improving rich recording , the build of the optics so we don't get side softness in some 1020s , variable flash settings , there is no doubting nokia have excelled with the 1020 it has a smaller sensor then the 808 and still goes toe to toe with it , however nokia could still improve the 1020 and make an even better camera phone the main thing that would allow this is by adding a few mm to the design but in a world of lover for anorexic/skinny phones nokia are being hampered by todays design language , the 808 had a bigger sensor and a great stealth like design but people still moaned about the hump , the 1020 is very thin and has a nice camera hump yet people still moaned about the camera hump which still makes me scratch my head ...... imagine what nokia could do if they didn't have to make their phones so thin for the media to accept them etc .... imagine what nokia could do with the thickness of the s4 zoom ;-)
    04-05-2014 11:55 PM
  25. ven07's Avatar
    i am very hesitant , lumia 1020 is nearly 1 year old and the battery is low i think and screen is small , but the camera is very powerful , so should i wait for the next camera phone? or my sight to the lumia 1020 is wrong? what about the battery? how many hours it stands if i use facebook , watching youtube or taking photos? thanks !
    I honestly think you should wait 😊 especially if you don't need the phone, but just want one lol.. It's better to wait for a new one to come out than to be disappointed later that you don't have the newest or the best software pre-installed
    04-06-2014 12:35 AM
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