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  1. antodelg's Avatar
    09-08-2014 05:00 AM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    Pretty much what has already been said, or am I missing something?
    09-08-2014 05:49 AM
  3. theefman's Avatar
    You know, until something is released that surpasses it in the most important area, picture quality, none of the fancy stuff announced really matters to me. Faster operation definitely would be welcome but what really matters is the quality of the picture and the 1020 is still unrivalled. Long live the King!!!
    antodelg, raycpl, a5cent and 2 others like this.
    09-08-2014 06:07 AM
  4. Jas00555's Avatar
    a) what you mention is just one feature of the Lumia Camera app, so even if true, the lack of an sd800 wouldn't stand in the way of bringing over at least the other features.

    b) what you mention works on an L830, albeit at a lower resolution, and it works despite the L830 having an overall weaker CPU than the L1020. If the lack of CPU processing power is really the problem, then why not just use the same approach on the L1020 as on the L830?

    So, again, no, the lack of CPU processing power is not the issue. Also note that in the article, it is stated that bringing this functionality to other phones would be "very hard". That is not the same as saying "it's impossible", which it would be if the CPU just couldn't handle it.
    4K recording won't be on the 830 either
    09-08-2014 08:12 AM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    4K recording won't be on the 830 either
    Isn't that exactly what I said?

    The L830 supports the moment capture feature, "albeit at a lower resolution". According to Daniel's article, that would be 1080p instead of 2160p (a.k.a. 4k).

    Again, my point was that if CPU processing power were the problem, the L1020 could just support it the same way the L830 does, by using a lower resolution. That just isn't the problem. Microsoft has pretty much explained it at this point, but once again, tech journalism lacks the technical background to understand and correctly interpret the message.
    09-08-2014 08:23 AM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    Isn't that exactly what I said?

    The L830 supports the moment capture feature, "albeit at a lower resolution". According to Daniel's article, that would be 1080p instead of 2160p (a.k.a. 4k).

    Again, my point was that if CPU processing power were the problem, the L1020 could just support it the same way the L830 does, by using a lower resolution. That just isn't the problem. Microsoft has pretty much explained it at this point, but once again, tech journalism lacks the technical background to understand and correctly interpret the message.
    Oh, I get what you mean now. I thought you meant the screen when you said lower resolution lol *facepalm*. But to be fair "the same thing, but lower resolution" is basically just saying "it'll record videos"
    09-08-2014 08:31 AM
  7. darthhen's Avatar
    I wouldn't consider it "cheating." But I guess it's a free country, you can word as you feel. :-) J/K.

    Seriously, at some point, L1020 will not be supported. It's a matter of when.
    09-08-2014 09:14 AM
  8. DJCBS's Avatar
    The L1020 will get Denim...but it will be as if it didn't, just like Cyan. Microsoft has abandoned ALL hardware that wasn't released for sale by Microsoft Mobile and the 1520 because they couldn't come up with the hardware excuse to leave it out.

    Welcome to the World where Nokia is no longer in charge of your phone, Microsoft is. Enjoy the painful, ungratifying ride.
    09-08-2014 09:15 AM
  9. berty6294's Avatar
    Nobody is being cheated. The 1020 has Snapdragon S4. The S4 is not capable of 4k video.
    09-08-2014 09:20 AM
  10. masud1372's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 is the best phone with Amazing camera :)
    09-08-2014 09:21 AM
  11. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Hello Sir, or Ma'am, your Nokia Lumia 1020 will get the latest firmware update, called DENIM, but it won't get all the features. However, your phone will still take better pictures than the Lumia 830, Lumia 930, and Lumia 1520, so don't fret too much, you still own a beast of a phone, that surpasses 4k resolution! ;D
    09-08-2014 09:30 AM
  12. a5cent's Avatar
    Oh, I get what you mean now. I thought you meant the screen when you said lower resolution lol *facepalm*. But to be fair "the same thing, but lower resolution" is basically just saying "it'll record videos"
    lol, no need to facepalm. Been there too.

    Anyway, I think we might still be misunderstanding something, because I disagree that it's basically just saying "it'll record videos". The whole point of moment capture is not to record 4k video, but rather the ability to select any frame from that video, and have it be just as sharp as a still camera shot. That isn't possible if you're extracting a frame from an actual video, which includes all the artefacts and blurriness that go along with video compression. IMHO that is a really nice feature, at 2160p as well as 1080p.
    09-08-2014 09:30 AM
  13. jagdeep chohan's Avatar
    Anybody else having problem with battery saver on 1020?? Mine does not dims the screen brightness nor it puts capacative buttons light off. Facing this problem from last 2-3 days. Help me!!
    09-08-2014 09:36 AM
  14. RaRa85's Avatar
    I bet you will get denim ... you will just not be able to make use of all the features. hardware behaviour just cant always be changed by software updates. It is also 2 years old already
    The Lumia 1020 came out last year. Just one year old and by not waiting to see what new features Microsoft would announce for the OS that same year, the phone was essentially obsolete software wise for the cooler and more modern features like passive voice assistant and 4k recording as soon as it was released. Hardware wise the OS will run just fine and the cool tricks cannot nullify how great the camera sensor always will be. But for a phone if this caliber, a phone with 41 megapixels, I would've thought that Nokia would've made sure this phone at least would get every software feature related to the camera for two years. Clearly it stands out amongst any Windows Phone but in the end treated as equal to the 920s, 820s and 520s of the world. They launched this phone a tad bit too early.
    09-08-2014 09:46 AM
  15. Marc Cupido's Avatar
    The funny this is that most of you are saying is that the 1020 wil get denim but not with all of the camera features, so my question is than what do we get then? As all of the denim features are camera based.

    So all in all we will get a denim update that changes nothing.

    Another thing is that Nokia managed to use a 41mp camera on a CPU that only supports 20mp. So of they could do that than surely they can bring some of these features to the 1020
    Jakez98 likes this.
    09-08-2014 10:09 AM
  16. se7en20's Avatar
    Basically we're just getting an official release of 8.1 Update 1.

    Let's accept it. We've been taking great pictures without those fancy features anyway.
    Last edited by se7en20; 09-08-2014 at 10:48 AM.
    theefman likes this.
    09-08-2014 10:20 AM
  17. bryanibuan's Avatar
    It will certainly get the Denim update, but won't get the new camera features because it's processor cannot handle taking a series of 41MP images in a second. I believe it would be possible for 920 and 925, but I doubt they will be bringing Rich Capture to these devices.
    09-08-2014 10:28 AM
  18. loribinca's Avatar
    I'm resigned to the fact that the 1020 won't get a lot of the cool stuff going forwards due to the lack of power in the phone. I even found it struggling with living images to be honest.

    My hope is that MS release an updated version of the 1020 with 41MPx and plenty of RAM and SD card .. hopefully next year. I can hold out, I'm not in a hurry.


    09-08-2014 10:40 AM
  19. antiochian2010's Avatar
    L 1020 when introduced was costliest phone... Even today on many sites it's costliest of all... WHAT'S WRONG IF BUYERS EXPECT LONGER SUPPORT? But most WPC articles suggests we won't get DENIM... F**** MSFT ... it's like android kicking HTC ONE or Sansung S5 out... If LUMIA 1020 after spending 1000 US dollars (55k INR then) , deprive us I'd denim, what's point in remaining brand loyal? Thanks WPC for guiding us... XIOMI, here I come..

    Oh God, here we go again.

    Question - do you expect Microsoft to hold off innovations until you are personally ready to buy into a new phone?

    I'm in the same boat. I don't mind. - as with the Kernel change a year or two ago I am GLAD that in a year or two when I'm ready to change out my 1020 there's going to be some ripping good products waiting..
    09-08-2014 11:04 AM
  20. antiochian2010's Avatar
    Improving camera speed and HDR support are probably the most important for me
    And I'm just cool with camera speed.. 4 Blend does a good job with HDR - or just bracketing from Lumia/Nokia Camera and merging in Photoshop..
    Jakez98 likes this.
    09-08-2014 11:12 AM
  21. RTGent's Avatar
    I don't know what Denim is, but all I need is the current Camera, Phone, and Drive software to make my 1020 black beauty ideal.
    09-08-2014 12:01 PM
  22. Zulfigar's Avatar
    I'm resigned to the fact that the 1020 won't get a lot of the cool stuff going forwards due to the lack of power in the phone. I even found it struggling with living images to be honest.

    My hope is that MS release an updated version of the 1020 with 41MPx and plenty of RAM and SD card .. hopefully next year. I can hold out, I'm not in a hurry.


    I'm hoping they do incorporate those features, maybe even put the 930's screen on it (with Glance support), or even a bit bigger as long as it has a micro SD card slot. 128+32GB of photos and apps can go a longer way than just 32GB. ;) Heck, even Microsoft /Nokia said the 830 has the smallest OIS unit compared to previous models, so the camera hump shouldn't be as big in the next version.

    Just a day dream though until we start hearing rumors, sadly. :/
    09-08-2014 12:24 PM
  23. SlideWRX's Avatar
    Translation:
    "Oops, we laid off the people who knew how to program the 1020 processor. OUR BAD!"
    09-08-2014 12:26 PM
  24. Qtweeder's Avatar
    omgz i feel cheated, that moore's law didn't cease the minute i bought a phone!!!! nO00o
    antiochian2010 likes this.
    09-08-2014 12:29 PM
  25. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Translation:
    "Oops, we laid off the people who knew how to program the 1020 processor. OUR BAD!"
    No, more like people wanted an epic photo talking phone before the latest tech was out. Enjoy the beta phone, we'll make a better one soon.
    09-08-2014 12:34 PM
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