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  1. a5cent's Avatar
    Lamest excuse ever. "Hey Cortana" is nothing more than a copy of "Ok, Google Now". Motorola got it to work on a dual-core phones WITHOUT an SD800. <snipped> Poor Microsoft, they just couldn't make "Hey Cortana" work on phones without an SD800...they're so helpless and new and without experience when it comes to software....
    It's a rather good excuse actually, because always-on listening requires specialized hardware. Motorola got it to work without an sd800 by including a separate TI C55 DSP chip specifically for that purpose. No other smartphone, from any other manufacturer, included such hardware at the time. No amount of software updating will provide the same capability. Since then, Qualcomm has duplicated those hardware capabilities in their sd800 series chips, which is why always-on listening is coming only to those devices. It's the opposite of an excuse. It's technical necessity.

    Anyway, always-on listening is not a trivial feature! If anyone is interested, I recently posted a thread where I explain what SensorCore is, how it relates to Qualcomm's sensor engine, and how always-on listening ties into both.

    At least in terms of "Hey Cortana", nobody is being cheated. It's fully justified that devices lacking an sd800 series SoC will not get this feature.
    09-09-2014 07:22 AM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    It's a rather good excuse actually, because always-on listening requires specialized hardware. Motorola got it to work without an sd800 by including a separate TI C55 DSP chip specifically for that purpose. No other smartphone, from any other manufacturer, included such hardware at the time. No amount of software updating will provide the same capability. Since then, Qualcomm has duplicated those hardware capabilities in their sd800 series chips, which is why always-on listening is coming only to those devices. It's the opposite of an excuse. It's technical necessity.
    And there you go. Facts over fantasy. :)
    a5cent and Karthik Naik like this.
    09-09-2014 10:06 AM
  3. badr0b0t's Avatar
    L 1020 when introduced was costliest phone... Even today on many sites it's costliest of all... WHAT'S WRONG IF BUYERS EXPECT LONGER SUPPORT? But most WPC articles suggests we won't get DENIM... F**** MSFT ... it's like android kicking HTC ONE or Sansung S5 out... If LUMIA 1020 after spending 1000 US dollars (55k INR then) , deprive us I'd denim, what's point in remaining brand loyal? Thanks WPC for guiding us... XIOMI, here I come..
    You might have forgotten that each update is hardware dependent. If a phone hardware can't support the new update what can you do? I'm not saying 1020 will be left out but as long as the hardware can take it, you will get the update.

    But of course, MS or any company will intentionally make the hardware specs an excuse so that you have to buy a new one and get ripped off. It's a sad truth but it's beyond our control as consumers.
    xandros9 likes this.
    09-09-2014 11:27 AM
  4. DalekSnare's Avatar
    It's 4k filmed at 24 fps for 24 seconds. This is Moment Capture. It's not normal shooting. It replaces Action Shot. For 1st Gen WP8 devices it probably eliminates Living Images too.
    24 seconds? That's kind of random as limitations go. Where did you read that?
    09-09-2014 11:34 AM
  5. colinkiama's Avatar
    All Nokia/Microsoft mobile made devices are getting denim, depending on the carrier. Why are you complaining? Denim is coming. I know you feel like Microsoft are stripping camera features away from a camera phone however the specs are holding it back from doing 4K, living images and other features. That doesn't mean they are not trying their best to bring as many features to the 1020. They aren't cheating anyone. Remember that nokia camera used to be exclusive for pureview devices. Now every wp8 nokia can get nokia camera.
    Karthik Naik and xandros9 like this.
    09-09-2014 11:40 AM
  6. David Lohrentz's Avatar
    What do you want MS to do, stop all technical innovation until nobody anywhere is left behind? I think we all know how that story ends.
    antiochian2010 and xandros9 like this.
    09-09-2014 04:00 PM
  7. DJCBS's Avatar
    but does moto x have a Pureview 41MP sensor
    no right so the comparison is not proper
    Does the 1020 have wooden backs?
    The size of the sensor doesn't conflict in any way with what's being discussed.
    09-09-2014 07:57 PM
  8. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    hey you dramatic something somethings... it could be a whole lot worse. we could be iphone owners and have an update forced on us, due to apps not running off the old OS anymore, that renders the phone so slow it makes you upgrade since the hardware cant support it. windows phone has been the best at this, IMO. each phone gets its own set of features to squeeze every bit of life out of it. at some point we wont get updates. thats just a fact of life though. get over it.
    09-09-2014 08:29 PM
  9. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Does the 1020 have wooden backs?
    The size of the sensor doesn't conflict in any way with what's being discussed.
    you misunderstood me,the 41MP sensor will use alot of the snapdragon S4's power,the moto x doesnt have a sensor like that to support
    my point is the 1020 was already under load to power the pureview sensor
    09-09-2014 10:42 PM
  10. Cryio's Avatar
    24 seconds? That's kind of random as limitations go. Where did you read that?
    Microsoft's IFA presentation on September 4th.
    09-10-2014 02:29 AM
  11. salmanahmad's Avatar
    you misunderstood me,the 41MP sensor will use alot of the snapdragon S4's power,the moto x doesnt have a sensor like that to support
    my point is the 1020 was already under load to power the pureview sensor
    The PureView sensor had nothing to do with this, the heavy load on the 1020 due to the camera arises only when the camera is actually open.

    The Moto X has a faster CPU and GPU, but the real reason that it has always listening capability is because of a special Motorola X8 chip for voice and language detection.

    Back at the time of the 1020 functionality like this wasn't nearly as popular, Motorola pretty much started this passive voice detection revolution.

    But it's not a huge feature that could make or break your experience with any phone, if I had a Lumia 1020 I would be okay with not getting a feature like this.
    09-10-2014 01:07 PM
  12. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    once again someone replies to my post without reading the previous posts and misses the point by a mile
    09-10-2014 09:51 PM
  13. Anant Anand's Avatar
    Then 2gb ram should be thrown to sea
    09-17-2014 02:20 AM
  14. milkyway's Avatar
    "While Juha clarified ( read below ) that Lumia 1020 won’t get the camera speed improvements with Lumia Denim due to oversampling and huge sensor size, we have kind of hoped that Lumia 920 and Lumia 925 without big sensor or oversampling may get some speed improvements. The answer is “no” again, unfortunately."
    (Source: nokiapoweruser)
    09-17-2014 03:50 AM
  15. Anant Anand's Avatar
    Msft s cheater bhai log
    09-17-2014 07:19 AM
  16. bemiquel's Avatar
    So is the lumia 1020 getting the HDR and flash Rich capture or not?
    Last edited by bemiquel; 09-17-2014 at 02:42 PM.
    09-17-2014 07:30 AM
  17. Cryio's Avatar
    So is the lumia 1020 getting the HDR and flash Rich captiure or not?
    For the love of God, yes already.
    09-17-2014 12:21 PM
  18. bemiquel's Avatar
    But at the Nokia site it states: The new Lumia Camera will be available for Lumia 830, Lumia 930, Lumia Icon and Lumia 1520 as part of the Lumia Denim update that starts rolling out in Q4.

    I assume that, even if the 1020 gets the Lumia Denim, it won't get the Lumia Camera and will remain as Nokia Camera with no HDR.
    09-17-2014 06:21 PM
  19. Cryio's Avatar
    Of course they're highlighting latest devices.

    There's no reason why the I'm improved Lumia Camera worth ask it's features won't come to other devices .
    09-18-2014 12:18 AM
  20. msirapian's Avatar
    Cryio, we know for sure now that speed improvement is not coming to 920/925/1020 (according to Juha who I think is well informed lol). I can understand that people want a confirmation that the other features come to the 1020.

    And I can also understand that so far, Nokia/MS only communicates on what's sure, ie, 830/930/1520. I'm not even sure the coding is finished and that Nokia themselves know exactly what's coming to the 1020 or not.

    This being said, I don't see why we wouldn't get rich capture and HDR, I agree with you.
    09-18-2014 03:42 PM
  21. DennisvdG's Avatar
    Wow this discussion is so stupid, every lumia will get denim but not all features because the old s4 processor is simply not good enough to handle some features! End of discussion.
    09-18-2014 03:53 PM
  22. msirapian's Avatar
    DennisvdG, you're right if you read the first post literally. But I think OP means "we won't receive all features of Lumia Camera or Denim". Cryio and I have stated what may come and what won't come to the 1020 and I think the real question raised by OP is: which features are coming to the 1020. So no need to be rude, to my eyes.
    09-19-2014 01:15 AM
  23. DennisvdG's Avatar
    DennisvdG, you're right if you read the first post literally. But I think OP means "we won't receive all features of Lumia Camera or Denim". Cryio and I have stated what may come and what won't come to the 1020 and I think the real question raised by OP is: which features are coming to the 1020. So no need to be rude, to my eyes.
    OP was being rude in that first post.
    09-19-2014 09:42 AM
  24. msirapian's Avatar
    It's a fair point, It's a tie then lol ^_^
    09-19-2014 04:49 PM
  25. Sifrei's Avatar
    lol
    Close this thread already, the questions OP had have been answered anyways.
    09-21-2014 08:04 PM
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