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  1. monzki's Avatar
    Makes perfect sense. You can't compare a dedicated imaging chip on the 808 to an onboard gpu. It's not the same thing at all. You are comparing apple and oranges. The 1020 should have been designed differently but the SoC chosen didn't allow for a separate chip. The throughput of an on board gpu is so much less vs a dedicated imaging chip. It's not even fair.
    Yes it's apple vs orange, but in this case the 1020 gpu is a lot more capable than the 808 even if it's dedicated only for photo oversampling. The hardware excuse really doesn't make sense.

    poddie's answer makes a lot more sense for business stand point.
    12-28-2014 10:10 AM
  2. patrikmore's Avatar
    poddie said: <<Today 10:38 AM From what I have heard, it's not that the 1020 CAN'T have the improvements, it's that they
    would have to code them much differently for
    the older processors. Given that Windows 10 is
    right around the corner, it seems they have
    decided not to expend the effort.
    My biggest problem with the whole situation is that Microsoft seems completely content with no flagship until W10
    comes out in nine months or whatever.>>
    W10 it's not a flagship. It's just an O.S.
    12-28-2014 10:18 AM
  3. blue1k's Avatar
    Yes it's apple vs orange, but in this case the 1020 gpu is a lot more capable than the 808 even if it's dedicated only for photo oversampling. The hardware excuse really doesn't make sense.

    poddie's answer makes a lot more sense for business stand point.
    I don't think you understand how chipsets work and how design regardless of gpu clock speed is important to the processing of data especially in this case. A gpu is not the same thing as an imaging chip with dedicated pipelines for image processing. It's not something you can compare. I would read more about this than making comments like above. Just saying. It's not valid to compare the two.
    12-28-2014 10:56 AM
  4. dKp1977's Avatar
    I don't think you understand how chipsets work. Sorry.


    That's general issue with people using gadgets these days. They simply know nothing about how they work and why certain limitation exist. And investing time and effort to try and explain these things to people like that is an entire waste. I've pretty much given up on that.
    Live2Deliver and marratj like this.
    12-28-2014 11:00 AM
  5. Plazma1's Avatar
    That's general issue with people using gadgets these days. They simply know nothing about how they work and why certain limitation exist. And investing time and effort to try and explain these things to people like that is an entire waste. I've pretty much given up on that.
    People are frustrated with their 1020s getting slower and buggier with the latest updates rather than getting updates to make the phone snappier and more functional.

    People get it - we all just want to hope that our $700 devices can be salvaged.
    12-28-2014 11:11 AM
  6. dKp1977's Avatar
    People are frustrated with their 1020s getting slower and buggier with the latest updates rather than getting updates to make the phone snappier and more functional.

    People get it - we all just want to hope that our $700 devices can be salvaged.


    Sorry, but that's probably the biggest bull**** I've read so far in this thread. I've owned a 1020 myself and just recently sold it, since I was barely using it anymore, once the 1520 became my main device. Whatever, I've used the 1020 through multiple OS versions (8.0 Amber, 8.0 Black, 8.1 DP Black, 8.1 official Cyan, 8.1.1 DP Cyan). None of these updates made the device less snappy, buggies or whatever. The exact opposite is the fact. You just can't expect to get more performance out of a device than the hardware is actually capable off. But that again is what I was initially referring to. Being able to comprehend this would require a certain amount of technical knowledge, which most people nowadays seem to lack a lot. Despite the fact that they of course think otherwise.
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    12-28-2014 11:41 AM
  7. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    This post cracks me up none of you know the reason your speculating!

    The problem is 1020 dual core is unable to get the power down low for Cortana to run in back ground is one!

    Another is the 4k support is not handled by the processor, the camera can do it but the processor is unable.

    The could make a new cam app that loads faster like the denim update, a guess would be 3 versions would be excessive until a merge of all Lumia cam apps and only provide what hardware can do!

    From hearing the 1020 users generally the 41m is alot of work on processor to build the image! Yes there are separate processor units out there but Nokia made it this phone and introduce the dual core limit probably stuck around tech at time!

    This post can be closed as the answer Is given and any more posts just shows the user as error code: id-10t
    12-28-2014 12:23 PM
  8. monzki's Avatar
    Do you guys really believe that the 1020 camera speed can't be improved through software optimization only? I DONT' think so. That's why I said the hardware excuse does not make sense.

    @dKp1977 seriously I just laugh at people like you who make quick assumption and generalize that people who complains doesn't know much. As a consumer I have the very right to complain for lack of support. 1020's main feature is the camera. I think you get my point.
    12-28-2014 01:01 PM
  9. jojoe42's Avatar
    Do you guys really believe that the 1020 camera speed can't be improved through software optimization only? I DONT' think so. That's why I said the hardware excuse does not make sense.

    @dKp1977 seriously I just laugh at people like you who make quick assumption and generalize that people who complains doesn't know much. As a consumer I have the very right to complain for lack of support. 1020's main feature is the camera. I think you get my point.
    Well actually, WP8.1 brought support for asynchronous encoding, which basically allows stuff to be processed in the background faster right? That would decrease shot-to-shot time
    12-28-2014 01:14 PM
  10. monzki's Avatar
    Well actually, WP8.1 brought support for asynchronous encoding, which basically allows stuff to be processed in the background faster right? That would decrease shot-to-shot time
    That's exactly what MS did with the new Lumia Camera:

    " It is moved to background with the rest of the image processing. This way, the shot to shot improves to 2-3 fps."
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    12-28-2014 01:20 PM
  11. dKp1977's Avatar
    Do you guys really believe that the 1020 camera speed can't be improved through software optimization only? I DONT' think so. That's why I said the hardware excuse does not make sense.

    @dKp1977 seriously I just laugh at people like you who make quick assumption and generalize that people who complains doesn't know much. As a consumer I have the very right to complain for lack of support. 1020's main feature is the camera. I think you get my point.


    As a consumer you DO have the right to complain. But lack of support? If there isn't any more room for improvement, what support do you expect? But you may still complain of course. If you have at least the slightest bit of knowledge. Which you obviously don't. As you prove in the very same post again:

    Do you guys really believe that the 1020 camera speed can't be improved through software optimization only? I DONT' think so. That's why I said the hardware excuse does not make sense.
    If it makes sense to you or not, it's a MATTER.OF.FACT. It's nice, that you BELIEVE it can be optimized through further software tweaks. Well, belief belongs in churches. You can optimize as much as you want. As soon as you hit the hardware limits, you're done. And this is what has happened to the 1020. Tbh, it has already been very close to the limits when it was released. Something that was obvious and known. There wasn't the slightest doubt about that. Didn't stop people like you from ignoring the obvious and keeping on complaining of course.

    And the major selling point for the 1020's camera was the quality of its pictures. NOT the speed in which these were taken. Think about it.
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    12-28-2014 01:23 PM
  12. dKp1977's Avatar


    Which certainly works out great on latest high end processors. Something not to be found in a 1020. Jesus.
    Live2Deliver likes this.
    12-28-2014 01:24 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    Can't believe you guys are crying. This is like crying over Touch ID not being available for your iPhone 5, even though it doesn't have a fingerprint scanner. Getting Lumia Camera 5 simply is impossible. At least you are still getting WP8.1.1, they are giving you the mobile data toggle that you have been crying over before.
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    12-28-2014 01:29 PM
  14. monzki's Avatar
    I don't think you understand how chipsets work and how design regardless of gpu clock speed is important to the processing of data especially in this case. A gpu is not the same thing as an imaging chip with dedicated pipelines for image processing. It's not something you can compare. I would read more about this than making comments like above. Just saying. It's not valid to compare the two.
    Yes they have different architecture but it's not an excuse NOT to optimize the camera through software.
    12-28-2014 01:31 PM
  15. monzki's Avatar
    Which certainly works out great on latest high end processors. Something not to be found in a 1020. Jesus.
    You can code to run a process at the background even with a single core processor hardware if the API or OS allows it. So what now?
    12-28-2014 01:33 PM
  16. monzki's Avatar
    As a consumer you DO have the right to complain. But lack of support? If there isn't any more room for improvement, what support do you expect? But you may still complain of course. If you have at least the slightest bit of knowledge. Which you obviously don't. As you prove in the very same post again:



    If it makes sense to you or not, it's a MATTER.OF.FACT. It's nice, that you BELIEVE it can be optimized through further software tweaks. Well, belief belongs in churches. You can optimize as much as you want. As soon as you hit the hardware limits, you're done. And this is what has happened to the 1020. Tbh, it has already been very close to the limits when it was released. Something that was obvious and known. There wasn't the slightest doubt about that. Didn't stop people like you from ignoring the obvious and keeping on complaining of course.

    And the major selling point for the 1020's camera was the quality of its pictures. NOT the speed in which these were taken. Think about it.
    After reading your reasoning about hardware limitation I understand that you don't know much.
    12-28-2014 01:38 PM
  17. dKp1977's Avatar
    After reading your reasoning about hardware limitation I understand that you don't know much.


    Oh my god. Alright, I'm giving up on you. Its pointless. I don't expect everyone to be tech savvy, but I do expect at least a little bit of comprehension. Unfortunately you're lacking both. The only thing you're obviously great in is being ignorant and stubborn. Not worth it, sorry.
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    12-28-2014 01:40 PM
  18. poddie's Avatar
    poddie said: <<Today 10:38 AM From what I have heard, it's not that the 1020 CAN'T have the improvements, it's that they
    would have to code them much differently for
    the older processors. Given that Windows 10 is
    right around the corner, it seems they have
    decided not to expend the effort.
    My biggest problem with the whole situation is that Microsoft seems completely content with no flagship until W10
    comes out in nine months or whatever.>>
    W10 it's not a flagship. It's just an O.S.
    Correct. The problem is that Microsoft appears to have decided that no flagship is needed until they release Windows 10. I have no idea why this isn't a bigger story... it seems like a huge mistake that nobody is even seeing as a problem. They have completely given up on the high end market until at least the Windows 10 debut, even to the point of discontinuing the flagships they do have (Icon and 1520).
    12-28-2014 11:36 PM
  19. amit satiya's Avatar
    You might be oversmart but you cant ignore the truth after last developer preview update Lumia 1020 has bcome laggy n buggy. Apps r crashing so often. I am .net developer and big Microsoft - Lumia fan. Using WP since its inception. My Lumia 1020 has also gone through many updates but never had this issue. This last update has ****ed it badly. Before that I was using 920 and never had any issue after updates. This is first time and you gotta believe it. You just cant deny bcos it never happened before. I have been asking MS about fixing this in next update. Hoping windows 10 to come soon. Last option I have to try now is to reset my device as system memory showing 5.14 GB space.
    12-29-2014 11:23 AM
  20. JaniM's Avatar
    Installed the Denim update earlier today, soon after that became some smaller update. IDK what it does but my phone feels just like before. Running flawlessly. Actually, only difference I've noticed so far is that after you enter password the main screen becomes available much faster. It's almost not laggy at all. Which is nice. I'm not even waiting any updates for the camera, it's as good as it can be already. Lumia 1020 is old already (actually, it was quite old technologically when it became available), there's not much that can be done.
    12-29-2014 11:44 AM
  21. Ulwan25's Avatar
    I get the speed thingy but I don't get why they can't put the new image algorithm in Denim itself. Wasn't Nokia always did improve it for the latest update? Seriously, I could live up with the slow speed as long as my device capture the best picture and detail plus without that annoying yellow tint and aggresive sharpness. Microsoft, what the hell?
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    12-29-2014 11:57 AM
  22. JaniM's Avatar
    I get the speed thingy but I don't get why they can't put the new image algorithm in Denim itself. Wasn't Nokia always did improve it for the latest update? Seriously, I could live up with the slow speed as long as my device capture the best picture and detail plus without that annoying yellow tint and aggresive sharpness. Microsoft, what the hell?
    I've used to work my way with those fullres DNG-files, I edit them with Lightroom same way than I edit my DSLR photos. I agree that those 5mpx small files are a tad bit too sharp and just a little too saturated but I don't use them much. They're perfect for posting to facebook for example and other such kind of media. I've not noticed any yellow tint tho.
    12-29-2014 12:05 PM
  23. josemon's Avatar
    Its nice to read all d comments.. But still i'm sad... But have to accept the reality..
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    12-29-2014 03:12 PM
  24. dexxx87's Avatar
    I get the speed thingy but I don't get why they can't put the new image algorithm in Denim itself. Wasn't Nokia always did improve it for the latest update? Seriously, I could live up with the slow speed as long as my device capture the best picture and detail plus without that annoying yellow tint and aggresive sharpness. Microsoft, what the hell?


    +1020 bad support from MS
    12-29-2014 03:31 PM
  25. Panathas's Avatar
    Camera can be improved to start faster on L1020. Other cam apps have shown this. But MS does not care, that's all and that's the truth. Just compare the startup time of the build in app with the Lumia cam app. Also, you can make the algorithms better. For me, this bad support means that my next phone will be a mainstream phone and not a niche cam phone that hopefully will have better support.
    12-29-2014 06:21 PM
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