01-23-2015 08:27 AM
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  1. Skamath's Avatar
    We all understand that there are limitations and what not with the hardware of the various Lumia phones. So the 1020 owners cant have 4K recording, cant have living images, etc. I am sure the majority of them would agree to the fact that Living images is not what the 1020 users want. I don't think they would be upset if they don't have the extras with Cortana's passive listening or for that matter any other fancy stuff. They got "The Camera Phone" so they could take good pictures when they want and not wait for the loading, resuming and carrying on that happens when the perfect moment is gone :( Can you please find out if this is going to be fixed. You would be our only source to the root.
    Mods can you please get this to Daniel's attention in case there are too many threads to filter through.
    Cheers
    Skamath
    Jakez98 likes this.
    01-11-2015 11:55 PM
  2. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Daniel does not work for Microsoft, so he would not be able to do anything about getting features added.

    The hardware on the 1020 probably does not support this feature.
    01-12-2015 12:03 AM
  3. Yazen's Avatar
    We all understand that there are limitations and what not with the hardware of the various Lumia phones. So the 1020 owners cant have 4K recording, cant have living images, etc. I am sure the majority of them would agree to the fact that Living images is not what the 1020 users want. I don't think they would be upset if they don't have the extras with Cortana's passive listening or for that matter any other fancy stuff. They got "The Camera Phone" so they could take good pictures when they want and not wait for the loading, resuming and carrying on that happens when the perfect moment is gone :( Can you please find out if this is going to be fixed. You would be our only source to the root.
    Mods can you please get this to Daniel's attention in case there are too many threads to filter through.
    Cheers
    Skamath
    It will never be fixed. Microsoft decided not to put any efforts into rewriting the Lumia Camera 5 app for S4 based devices. That is why we have Lumia Classic

    The 820, 920, and 1020 could have had all the features of Lumia Camera 5 -- save 4k recording. Would not mind HDR on my 925, but it is just not going to happen...

    We're basically on 'life support' with our Lumia devices. Maybe if there is a strong demand on Microsoft's user voice page we can get them to bring some love back to S4 development/optimizations.
    01-12-2015 12:19 AM
  4. Guytronic's Avatar
    Mods can you please get this to Daniel's attention in case there are too many threads to filter through.
    Daniel Rubino checks and reads thru these forums often.
    01-12-2015 12:34 AM
  5. patrikmore's Avatar
    Why they don't communicate better with Windows Phone customers ? Specifically I'm asking for a better automatic white balance on L1020, firmware solution, closer to the output given by iPhones. My feeling is that Microsoft is not acting as a phone manufacturer, but rather as a software merchant.
    hagjohn likes this.
    01-12-2015 06:56 AM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ...Would not mind HDR on my 925, but it is just not going to happen...
    It has been possible for quite some time. ProShot | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
    aximtreo, Yazen, ven07 and 4 others like this.
    01-12-2015 07:56 AM
  7. Yazen's Avatar
    It has been possible for quite some time. ProShot | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
    Thanks for the tip. Read a Proshot review but I was hoping for a lower level solution.

    As was previously mentioned, I really want the white balancing fixed too. All my Lumias have had issues after updating to Amber.
    01-12-2015 11:31 AM
  8. Yazen's Avatar
    Why they don't communicate better with Windows Phone customers ? Specifically I'm asking for a better automatic white balance on L1020, firmware solution, closer to the output given by iPhones. My feeling is that Microsoft is not acting as a phone manufacturer, but rather as a software merchant.
    Their new revenue model hurts consumers in the long run.

    1020 is an excellent phone, and it did cost a large sum of money...
    01-12-2015 11:43 AM
  9. hagjohn's Avatar
    Their new revenue model hurts consumers in the long run.

    1020 is an excellent phone, and it did cost a large sum of money...
    The 1020 is the only "camera" phone on the market. The 1020, at this point in time, is the revenue model.
    01-12-2015 11:58 AM
  10. Donny James's Avatar
    You should watch this interview. Simply put, it's too difficult to do and there seems to not be enough man power to accomplish it for these older S4 phones.

    We chat with Microsoft's imaging chief about Denim, Lumia 1020, and more #CES2015 | Windows Central
    01-12-2015 12:05 PM
  11. MDK22's Avatar
    I think he's talking about Sam Sabri, didn't he go to work for Microsoft ?
    01-12-2015 04:55 PM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I think he's talking about Sam Sabri, didn't he go to work for Microsoft ?

    Yes, and he no longer has any affiliation with Mobile Nations.
    xandros9 likes this.
    01-12-2015 04:58 PM
  13. MDK22's Avatar
    Yes, and he no longer has any affiliation with Mobile Nations.
    ... other than he might look in, every now & again ?
    xandros9 and Laura Knotek like this.
    01-12-2015 06:14 PM
  14. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    ... other than he might look in, every now & again ?

    He wouldn't be able to disclose anything though.
    bsbharath1987 and TechFreak1 like this.
    01-12-2015 07:31 PM
  15. mesamit's Avatar
    you could let Microsoft know in uservoice

    https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...ia-820-920-925
    Laura Knotek and RumoredNow like this.
    01-12-2015 08:22 PM
  16. stephen_az's Avatar
    Their new revenue model hurts consumers in the long run.

    1020 is an excellent phone, and it did cost a large sum of money...
    The technologically it is also ancient in both the phone and camera worlds. It is completely unreasonable to expect perpetual upgrades for old hardware and it really doesn't matter how much you paid. This device was announced nearly 20 months ago and has been for sale for 18 months. It was also a niche product upon release and is even more so now. The sense of entitlement really is staggering at times.
    Donny James and negative1ne like this.
    01-12-2015 09:12 PM
  17. stephen_az's Avatar
    The 1020 is the only "camera" phone on the market. The 1020, at this point in time, is the revenue model.
    Interesting - I seem to see a little lens in every smart phone on the market and several of the phones are rated to be better cameras than the 1020. By what logic is it the only camera phone? The size of the sensor may be your standard but it isn't the standard of the industry, nor is it the standard of the lion's share of consumers.
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    01-12-2015 09:15 PM
  18. Skamath's Avatar
    Thanks Mods for the updates. As I said earlier it is not possible to have 4k recording, hey cortana etc. I am sure the camera app can be made to work faster!! I am sure users would agree that the lag has greatly increased since Black update onwards same with the resuming and loading screen.
    The reason I said "The camera phone" is obvious and as the chat session was with the "imaging guru" I am sure there could have been one question tossed in the mix to ask what most 1020 owners are dying to know? can they make it work quicker?
    elee@ulgm.org likes this.
    01-12-2015 09:45 PM
  19. Skamath's Avatar
    Daniel does not work for Microsoft, so he would not be able to do anything about getting features added.

    The hardware on the 1020 probably does not support this feature.
    Hi Laura
    I am aware that he doesn't work in MS and for that matter cant add features or designs.
    The question was can he find out? and if the Imaging guru give us the faster cam that we used to have at one stage. It is not a feature that I am after for the phone to support. On the contrary I wouldn't worry about Cortana or 4k or anything. I would like to know if the basic Lumia camera app would be improved to be snappy or not?

    Cheers
    01-12-2015 09:50 PM
  20. msirapian's Avatar
    We all understand that there are limitations and what not with the hardware of the various Lumia phones. So the 1020 owners cant have 4K recording, cant have living images, etc. I am sure the majority of them would agree to the fact that Living images is not what the 1020 users want. I don't think they would be upset if they don't have the extras with Cortana's passive listening or for that matter any other fancy stuff. They got "The Camera Phone" so they could take good pictures when they want and not wait for the loading, resuming and carrying on that happens when the perfect moment is gone :( Can you please find out if this is going to be fixed. You would be our only source to the root.
    Mods can you please get this to Daniel's attention in case there are too many threads to filter through.
    Cheers
    Skamath
    To be more precise, the 1020 CAN do Living images, it WON'T support it, it's different. We had the living images on the 1020 for while with the Nokia Camera Beta app.

    But, due "to stability reasons" (it's the same lame excuse that "for safety reasons" in our daily lives which can justify anything without having to explain it), it was withdrawn from Nokia Camera finally.

    So the 1020 CAN support some of these functions (at least living images), but Microsoft decided it WON'T. The HW limitation alibi is probably true for a lot of things (4K, Hey Cortana, etc.), but the living images is a good example of Microsoft focusing only on newer devices, with new algorithms without taking into account the consequences on older devices. The 1020 can probably support HDR, but NOT the way Microsoft implemented it.

    This being said, I do love my 1020, and don't need these fancy new features to enjoy it. The camera is already very good for my use. They just need to fix a bug related to the RAW files, but Juha told me it's fixed in Denim. Can't wait to check it by myself.
    01-13-2015 01:53 AM
  21. Cameron Todd's Avatar
    Interesting - I seem to see a little lens in every smart phone on the market and several of the phones are rated to be better cameras than the 1020. By what logic is it the only camera phone? The size of the sensor may be your standard but it isn't the standard of the industry, nor is it the standard of the lion's share of consumers.
    Which phones do you mean? That rate higher than the 1020
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    01-13-2015 02:23 AM
  22. Coreldan's Avatar
    I think the new camera that came with Denim on my 930 sucks, I would go back to the old camera any day.
    Cameron Todd and Tom Snyder like this.
    01-13-2015 02:48 AM
  23. aschettler's Avatar
    I think the new camera that came with Denim on my 930 sucks, I would go back to the old camera any day.
    Lumia Camera Classic. It's in the store.
    01-13-2015 02:54 AM
  24. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    All WP 8 phones (certainly all Lumias) will get WP10. It is not unreasonable to think that will come with a new camera app. Maybe they just didn't put much effort into WP8 anymore.
    01-13-2015 03:04 AM
  25. Coreldan's Avatar
    Lumia Camera Classic. It's in the store.
    Cheers, didn't know it was still there!
    01-13-2015 05:32 AM
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