11-12-2013 10:35 PM
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  1. nola75's Avatar
    There are still four versions of the 1520. The three listed on the Nokia developer site (which presumably Elop has some control over) and the RM-940 which our own leaker on the other thread confirmed was the AT&T version because he had it in his hand. The RM-927 was never the 1520 because it had a smaller body and form factor. I know there is justified skepticism about a T-Mobile version based on precedent. Nokiapoweruser was skeptical initially and still isn't sure. The problem is that precedent is going to be broken either way. Either AT&T will have a short-lived exclusive in the US or a global variant with both the AT&T and T-Mobile bands will be available in the form of the FCC RM-938 model that has already been tested and approved with wireless charging. Honestly, neither AT&T nor T-Mobile would want that phone coming into the US to displace their own branded phones. In the case of AT&T the value of its exclusive will be essentially destroyed once those unlocked versions hit the market and can use all bands on either network. What if tethering isn't disabled? That is why my money is on a T-Mobile version emerging. Both carriers keep control that way and Nokia has no precedent whatsoever of bucking carrier control, at least in the US. There is no certainty that even an unlocked T-Mobile 1520 would run on AT&T and the AT&T version disables a T-Mobile frequency. The unlocked T-Mobile version of the 925 that Negri sells only works out of the US and will get locked out if you try it on AT&T according to their sales staff.

    When choosing between the likelihood two unprecedented developments, a shorter AT&T exclusive or the possibility of a world version of the 1520 that can run seamlessly on two US carriers and would be out of their control, I am simply betting on the development that would make the most business sense for all involved. Why would Nokia even develop a separate product with the band coverage of the RM-938 if it wasn't intended for the US market? The international version of all previous versions has had limited compatibility in the US and there is a similar version on tap for the 1520 already. That is the precedent I expect to continue.

    I'm not betting against Elop and don't care a lot about whether T-Mobile gets it. AT&T will be my primary carrier for years because the T-Mobile network strength and coverage simply isn't competitive where I live and won't be for the foreseeable future. Verizon is simply more expensive for my needs.

    You are entitled to your opinion and I could be wrong but I wanted to explain the logic behind my current belief that we will see a T-Mobile branded model shortly after the holiday season. That way AT&T can get value from their exclusive during a high volume period and the currently known facts can be taken into account. .
    Last edited by nola75; 10-31-2013 at 08:58 AM.
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    10-31-2013 04:21 AM
  2. T Moore's Avatar
    nola75
    The RM-938 is listed by Nokia as a US variant and will work on T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. I thought that would be the one to end up on T-Mobile when the AT&T loses it's hold on the 1520. If not where would it go?
    10-31-2013 12:03 PM
  3. metalchick719's Avatar
    Would be nice if this is true because T-Mobile could certainly stand to carry the 1520. But I wonder if this might be going to Rogers instead since they have the same bands as T-Mo(?).
    10-31-2013 12:29 PM
  4. nola75's Avatar
    nola75
    The RM-938 is listed by Nokia as a US variant and will work on T-Mobile and AT&T LTE. I thought that would be the one to end up on T-Mobile when the AT&T loses it's hold on the 1520. If not where would it go?
    Not really sure. That is why I think T-Mobile will wind up with it. As for Rogers, not sure the bands match exactly but even if they did I would wonder if their customer base is large enough to justify a separate release, especially at the risk of circumventing the wishes of the US carriers. It is admittedly a judgement call until it is officially confirmed but it seems a good bet that RM-938 will eventually wind up on T-Mobile.
    10-31-2013 12:44 PM
  5. T Moore's Avatar
    I think it would be worth the wait. If it takes 6 months, I'm OK with that.
    My 920 has about 3GB free and we already have the charging pads. T-Mobile is a lot better for buying phones.
    10-31-2013 05:48 PM
  6. Bob Box's Avatar
    Nokia developer & AT&T listings gives more force to #Lumia1520 coming to T-Mobile with inbuilt wireless charging.

    Device Details -- Nokia Lumia 1520

    RM-938 now listed as US variant, not global variant. The RM-938 has 32GB of storage and Qi wireless charging.
    If it is for T-Mobile they better stock up with all they can, there will be waits for this one.

    There are four variants

    RM-937 Global variant, LTE 1 3 7 8 20
    RM-938 US variant - Went through FCC, LTE 2 4 5 17
    RM-939 China variant
    RM-940 AT&T, Went through FCC, DTM removed, no Qi charging, LTE band 4 disabled, 16GB, LTE 2 5 17

    I think they are all LCD display
    This is great to know. I can now dump AT&T. If AT&T isn't going to offer a non-crippled 1520, there is just no point of continuing doing business with them.
    11-03-2013 01:21 AM
  7. Bob Box's Avatar
    There are still four versions of the 1520. The three listed on the Nokia developer site (which presumably Elop has some control over) and the RM-940 which our own leaker on the other thread confirmed was the AT&T version because he had it in his hand. The RM-927 was never the 1520 because it had a smaller body and form factor. I know there is justified skepticism about a T-Mobile version based on precedent. Nokiapoweruser was skeptical initially and still isn't sure. The problem is that precedent is going to be broken either way. Either AT&T will have a short-lived exclusive in the US or a global variant with both the AT&T and T-Mobile bands will be available in the form of the FCC RM-938 model that has already been tested and approved with wireless charging. Honestly, neither AT&T nor T-Mobile would want that phone coming into the US to displace their own branded phones. In the case of AT&T the value of its exclusive will be essentially destroyed once those unlocked versions hit the market and can use all bands on either network. What if tethering isn't disabled? That is why my money is on a T-Mobile version emerging. Both carriers keep control that way and Nokia has no precedent whatsoever of bucking carrier control, at least in the US. There is no certainty that even an unlocked T-Mobile 1520 would run on AT&T and the AT&T version disables a T-Mobile frequency. The unlocked T-Mobile version of the 925 that Negri sells only works out of the US and will get locked out if you try it on AT&T according to their sales staff.

    When choosing between the likelihood two unprecedented developments, a shorter AT&T exclusive or the possibility of a world version of the 1520 that can run seamlessly on two US carriers and would be out of their control, I am simply betting on the development that would make the most business sense for all involved. Why would Nokia even develop a separate product with the band coverage of the RM-938 if it wasn't intended for the US market? The international version of all previous versions has had limited compatibility in the US and there is a similar version on tap for the 1520 already. That is the precedent I expect to continue.

    I'm not betting against Elop and don't care a lot about whether T-Mobile gets it. AT&T will be my primary carrier for years because the T-Mobile network strength and coverage simply isn't competitive where I live and won't be for the foreseeable future. Verizon is simply more expensive for my needs.

    You are entitled to your opinion and I could be wrong but I wanted to explain the logic behind my current belief that we will see a T-Mobile branded model shortly after the holiday season. That way AT&T can get value from their exclusive during a high volume period and the currently known facts can be taken into account. .
    There must be other reasons AT&T crippled the phone. It doesn't make sense to offer a flagship device with only 16GB flash, especially considering it has a 20MP camera and can record HD video. Forcing people to buy an SD card and deal with that... to save less than $5 in flash memory costs... just plain dumb.

    Elop is not really a good CEO. He did his real job -- ruin Nokia. But that is all he seems capable of. The debacle with the ATT 1520 is just another flop from Eflop.
    11-03-2013 01:25 AM
  8. nola75's Avatar
    Latest article on MyNokiaBlog as reported by wmpoweruser indicates that T-Mobile has no interest in carrying the new Nokia products, even after AT&T's exclusive expires. I was wrong if those sources are correct. Sounds like T-Mobile's decision. That could be good news if the RM-938 is actually released internationally and becomes available unlocked. I will keep the Negri Electronics site bookmarked to see if an international variant as described shows up unlocked in conjunction with the rollout of the 1520. They tend to be an early source for unlocked Nokia phones. Story could be wrong and decisions can change but not holding my breath. Keep an eye on the band coverage of the international variants that are released now.
    11-03-2013 07:14 PM
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    11-04-2013 09:56 AM
  10. maui911's Avatar
    Even though T-Mobile won't officially sell it, hopefully an unlocked RM-938 version will still work on the network. They don't sell the 1020 either, but an unlocked Rogers model should work on T-Mobile.
    11-04-2013 10:34 AM
  11. T Moore's Avatar
    If all this is correct the quiestion is still there. Why did Nokia send the RM-938 through the FCC?
    Nokia still lists it as a US varint, 32GB with Qi charging with LTE 2 4 5 17 bands.
    Device Details -- Nokia Lumia 1520
    We will just have to wait and see.
    11-04-2013 10:58 AM
  12. kevm14's Avatar
    Whose LTE would that work on?
    For 3G, I assume it is HSPA not CDMA, yes? So whose HSPA would it work on (AT&T or T-Mobile)? How about 2G for calls?
    11-04-2013 11:58 AM
  13. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    We will just have to wait and see.
    Yup, pretty much.
    11-05-2013 12:55 AM
  14. Janak Patel's Avatar
    Regardless of T-Mobile getting it or not I am through with AT&T. They wouldn't unlock my iPhone because I had 3 hours left in my contract and have been with them for 14 (Cingular) years. I am sure the way T-Mobile is increasing market share they will have something and if not my 521 will do for next few months then I'll get the 925. Tmobile is much better than at&t and WiFi calling rocks.
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    11-05-2013 08:26 AM
  15. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    T-mobile is not getting the 1520, but you can buy the global variant and use it on T-mobile.
    I told you so?
    11-06-2013 12:05 AM
  16. nola75's Avatar
    I told you so?
    Yes, you did.
    11-06-2013 09:13 AM
  17. drbanks's Avatar
    Like the previous poster, strike one with AT$T was their refusal to unlock my iPhone prior to my Canadian vacation.

    Strike two was when their store refused to sell me a 920 off-contract.

    Strike three was discovering that I could get service on T-Mo for half the monthly nut. The fact that T-Mo's data speed wad twice AT$T's in my area was just gravy.

    I paid the ETF to get off AT$T and was money ahead in four months.

    It's not that T-Mo hasn't got some serious problems of their own, and shopping for phones with magic. AWS bands is a pain, but with stunts like the dumbed-down 1520, I'm still not feeling the need to double my monthly bill and fo back to a carrier that is so blatantly hostile to their own customers.

    I'll eventually probably end up paying premium prices to Negri, but it'll still be cheaper than giving the death star my custom.
    11-06-2013 06:41 PM
  18. Dusteater's Avatar
    Well, that's it, 5 months on T-Mobile is enough for me. I have been struggling with terrible coverage here in WA. And now that they are not getting any new Windows Phones the decision is made. Back to AT&T. I should have realized I'd get what I paid for on T-Mobile. I want to save money, but it just isn't worth it in this case. Hope they learn their lesson someday.
    11-06-2013 11:36 PM
  19. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Yes, you did.
    It's okay bro, just buy the global variant and go pre-paid or join at&t, until T-mobile decide to support the WP8 platform.
    11-06-2013 11:45 PM
  20. T Moore's Avatar
    Well, that's it, 5 months on T-Mobile is enough for me. I have been struggling with terrible coverage here in WA. And now that they are not getting any new Windows Phones the decision is made. Back to AT&T. I should have realized I'd get what I paid for on T-Mobile. I want to save money, but it just isn't worth it in this case. Hope they learn their lesson someday.
    Before you go back to AT&T take a look at Straight Talk..
    11-08-2013 08:27 AM
  21. eutonl's Avatar
    It's okay bro, just buy the global variant and go pre-paid or join at&t, until T-mobile decide to support the WP8 platform.
    Will the 1520 global variant use at&t LTE.
    11-08-2013 11:02 AM
  22. inteller's Avatar
    before you go back to at&t take a look at straight talk..
    this.
    11-08-2013 11:04 AM
  23. T Moore's Avatar
    Will the 1520 global variant use at&t LTE.
    RM-937 Global variant, LTE 1 3 7 8 20
    RM-938 US variant - Went through FCC, LTE 2 4 5 17
    RM-939 China variant
    RM-940 AT&T, Went through FCC, DTM removed, no Qi charging, LTE band 4 disabled, 16GB, LTE 2 5 17

    The RM-937, the globel, variant will not have any LTE bands for US carriers.
    For use in the US you need the RM-938.
    When and where it will be released, no news yet.
    Device Details -- Nokia Lumia 1520
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    11-08-2013 09:09 PM
  24. Citizen X's Avatar
    Why so much buthurt about the 16 GB onboard memory? I'm sure it was to keep the price down. Besides you can go out and buy a 64GB SDHC and store your images, videos, and music on that. I initially thought it was a pretty crappy move on the part of AT@T but upon greater reflection I realize shaving $50 to $100 off the price of the phone would go a long ways to ensuring it is a success. An initial price of $200 with contract is doable. These aren't iphones. If you wait a few months the price will drop even more. I just don't have any interest in paying $300 for a phone on contract. When this thing is at $150 on contract I will purchase.

    The wireless charging thing is a bit tricky. Each standard has it's pros and cons. Maybe in a few months they will come with at@t approved wireless charging built in. That would be idea.
    11-09-2013 11:53 AM
  25. jfa1's Avatar
    Nokia has announced several days ago that ATT will get the 32GB version sometime soon so I am hoping by the end of March when I am due for an upgrade
    11-09-2013 01:00 PM
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