11-23-2013 09:39 AM
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  1. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Theverge review for the Nokia Lumia 1520 was off and disappointing but expected. The 1520 has the best camera hardware second only to the 1020 and xperia z1 is in the ball park though with lousy camera software. Another thing to remember Nokia phones take a couple of updates until the camera is performing at peak performance.

    Nokia Lumia 1520 review | The Verge

    Here is the link to the review

    It's The Verge. Almost by definition what they have to say is useless.

    I know the guy they have that works the general Microsoft beat, Tom Warren. He's about as useless as you can get when it comes to reporting. To call him a hack would be an insult to hack writers.

    I won't comment on him as a human being in general...because I don't really interact with him on a personal level. However having interacted with him for years on a professional level...yeah he's pretty much bleh.

    The problem is that most of the writing staff there seem to have similar problems. :(
    rav16 likes this.
    11-19-2013 08:14 PM
  2. Phrozty's Avatar
    I am fine with the Verge review. As WP gets more and more sales, they will be forced to adjust what they know and how they aproach MS products. If MS keeps going in the direction they have been, their support/ecosystem will be rival to Apple's in about a year or so, their products will have excellent options all the way up and down the range of a slew of devices that neither Apple or Google can compete with (laptops, PC's, Tablets, Smartphones), and the built in tools and available apps will be second to no one anymore.

    By the way, Phone Arena has become quite a site for a pro-Android vibe in the past year and a half. They were very balanced when I first started visiting them in 2010, and I have used them as my "go to" site for general news since. I love their site set up for comparison tools and such. They just floored me with the complimentary review of the 1520:

    Nokia Lumia 1520 Review
    I have to agree. I've spoken out on several of the "reviews" of windows phones where the majority of the time they try to sell an android phone in the "review" instead. I'm really happy to see that they have TWO videos by two different individuals that show some actual interest in the phone.
    11-19-2013 08:30 PM
  3. lovenokia's Avatar
    Got my lumia 920 on release day- 0 issues with. Pre ordered the 1520, and expect the same. Also- 6 kids that go to college with me have 920's and have had 0 defects.
    good for you! What color was the 920 you got?
    11-19-2013 10:40 PM
  4. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Got my lumia 920 on release day- 0 issues with. Pre ordered the 1520, and expect the same. Also- 6 kids that go to college with me have 920's and have had 0 defects.
    Woah, I know someone with the same last name and first letter of first name as you! His first name is Nick, not sure what yours is though.
    11-19-2013 10:58 PM
  5. squire777's Avatar
    The guys who started Verge (Josh, Nilay etc) were terrible with their biases while they were Engadget so it's no surprise that their new site has writers who are incredibly biased and/or lacking intelligence.
    rav16 likes this.
    11-19-2013 11:06 PM
  6. Editguy1900's Avatar
    I'm talking about hardware defects, not screen shattering. And I'm happy you haven't had a problem with your 925 yet. It makes me happy, that maybe the 925, 1020, and newer devices have better quality control now?
    I guess I didn't make it clear. It wasn't just screens cracked (although when seeing an overwhelming number of them like that it leads me to believe there's either something wrong with the design or the glass). They ARE having to get them replaced for hardware problems and they also have numerous software problems. Since I'm a technology teacher, they're always talking to me about their phones. I guess my point is that smartphones in general inherently have some problems. And the fact that Nokia and MS are working to improve them I see as a positive. And, yes, I think it's possible that if there were quality control problems, it's been corrected. I have been talking friends into buying 925's and 928's and so far they're all very happy with them.
    11-20-2013 12:25 AM
  7. vlad0's Avatar
    Here is a perfect example .. there is absolutely no way you could get an image like this from the iPhone

    1/20 @ 320iso - hand held



    In fact it would be hard to get a shot like this with any phone, including the mighty 808
    11-20-2013 12:35 AM
  8. worldspy99's Avatar
    The Verge is good for general reading. Reviews are fairly biased towards Apple products. I have two devices on each OS and currently my daily driver is the Lumia 521. I am a slow adopter of tech and do not like signing contracts so all my devices are paid up front. I just bought a Lumia 810 and will try that out as a daily device. I am beginning to lean towards 925 or a better device on T-Mobile.
    11-20-2013 12:58 AM
  9. ag1986's Avatar
    Best and better are relative. I think that having a 3-second lag between pictures may be bad for some people and may lead to them missing crucial moments. I'm thinking baby photos and things? I mean, I have my DSLR, but there are times when my 7 MP compact would be more suitable.
    11-20-2013 01:23 AM
  10. spectre51's Avatar
    And it's those times people should use the apps that allow for quicker photos (smart cam) if the delay between shots using default Nokia cam is too slow. You have to know your target and chose the app/camera appropriately.



    At least that's my opinion. I have the 1020 and several other devices. I will sacrifice the pull out and shoot speed for the better quality pics any day.





    Sent from my Lumia 1020
    11-20-2013 03:28 AM
  11. stalemate1's Avatar
    Who cares what has the best this and that ? as long as you are happy with your device there's nothing to boast or cry about.

    the truth is no phone will be the best for more than 6 months as something better would have been developed.
    11-20-2013 04:30 AM
  12. phasar's Avatar
    The Verge review was spot on. Just because you have the hardware specs doesn't mean the device will perform adequately. All of Nokia's cameras seem to have problems processing photos. The L920 was considered a disappointment after all the pre-release hype. The L1020, which I have, has the yellow tint from hell problem. What WP owners don't understand is most people want a point and shoot experience with their phones. All the other bells and whistles are great to have, but people take their pictures when they are caught in the moment and they want simplicity above all else. That's what Apple gives them; a phone that takes great photos Conveniently,without post processing problems, or delays between shots.
    azcruz likes this.
    11-20-2013 05:16 AM
  13. mesamit's Avatar
    why use nokia pro cam if you need to take quick shot...use default WP8 camera....
    11-20-2013 05:37 AM
  14. dznk's Avatar
    "The Verge" and "Review" are two words best not seen together. I don't often tend to look at reviews on many sites as you often have to rely on that one persons opinion, their technical knowledge and any bias they have towards other products.

    Sure, if you want a device on release date, try and read as many reviews online as possible then make a decision based off of that. If I'm not buying a device as soon as it gets released, I can often get a good opinion on a product by hearing what actual users of the device think to it after buying it and using it. Yes, you could say that reading stuff about Nokia's etc on WPCentral will be biased, but people will still share thoughts on what they didn't think was as good as they expected, or any problems they are having etc and post pics they have taken with the phone. I would never buy a product based on what the likes of The Verge or CNET for example think of it. At least when I've read reviews on GSMArena, they often go into the nitty gritty details and with testing the camera, they always come up with the original pictures they took to prove their opinion. That's the kind of review I trust more.
    squire777 likes this.
    11-20-2013 06:02 AM
  15. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Every other site that reviewed 1520 except Verge and Qizmodo said, that 1520 camera is next best thing after 1020.

    Go read PureView Club: The PureView Community what they say about 1520 photos. They are quite amazed how close to 1020 photo quality it can get.
    11-20-2013 06:09 AM
  16. nkaufmann's Avatar
    good for you! What color was the 920 you got?
    I got black! And I pre ordered a red 1520
    11-20-2013 09:03 AM
  17. Phrozty's Avatar
    I got black! And I pre ordered a red 1520
    That's an interesting divergence of trend... I had always heard that once you go black you never go back...
    11-20-2013 10:17 AM
  18. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Hmm does the iphone 5s support DNG? does it allow lossless zooming? oversampling?. Oh yeah Apple couldn't make their own camera instead they "borrowed it" from Sony and as usual their bravado is beyond sickening which I would say stems from the fact they have a "global cult like following" who are willing to risk catching pneumonia etc by camping in the streets for a rehash. Also most of these people don't realise Apple only exists predominately because MS bailed them out all those years ago.
    dznk likes this.
    11-20-2013 11:37 AM
  19. rbiasca's Avatar
    http://winsupersite.com/windows-phon...era-comparison

    Paul realizes he was dead wrong on his first impressions of the camera
    11-20-2013 07:26 PM
  20. lovenokia's Avatar
    http://winsupersite.com/windows-phon...era-comparison

    Paul realizes he was dead wrong on his first impressions of the camera
    it seems the 1520 will perform right behind the 1020 and take the crown for second best camera phone I think.
    11-21-2013 01:13 AM
  21. techiez's Avatar
    Hmm does the iphone 5s support DNG? does it allow lossless zooming? oversampling?. Oh yeah Apple couldn't make their own camera instead they "borrowed it" from Sony and as usual their bravado is beyond sickening which I would say stems from the fact they have a "global cult like following" who are willing to risk catching pneumonia etc by camping in the streets for a rehash. Also most of these people don't realise Apple only exists predominately because MS bailed them out all those years ago.
    thats the whole point in the discussion here, 1020, 1520 only satisfy a certain niche, general public wants to take out their phones click a pic n they want the pic to look nice thats it,if somebody takes a picture with 1020 and complains about bad image quality, justifying it by saying u screwed up iso or white balance so its your fault not the phone's technically u may be right but not practically.

    Let me tell you I hv never owned any iphone and love nokia pro cam for the control it gives me but from the reviews n cam samples I hv seen of iphone5s, it has got a very very good camera and it does exactly what a common non photographer person expects from a photo.
    11-21-2013 01:54 PM
  22. dznk's Avatar
    thats the whole point in the discussion here, 1020, 1520 only satisfy a certain niche, general public wants to take out their phones click a pic n they want the pic to look nice thats it,if somebody takes a picture with 1020 and complains about bad image quality, justifying it by saying u screwed up iso or white balance so its your fault not the phone's technically u may be right but not practically.

    Let me tell you I hv never owned any iphone and love nokia pro cam for the control it gives me but from the reviews n cam samples I hv seen of iphone5s, it has got a very very good camera and it does exactly what a common non photographer person expects from a photo.
    Any average joe can pick up a 1020 or a 1520, point and shoot and get fantastic quality photos that look nice. You don't have to know anything about ISO, shutter speed etc to get great quality photos on them phones. Yes they will appeal more to people more familiar with photography, but you don't have to be a pro.
    JPDVM2014 and maverick786us like this.
    11-21-2013 02:25 PM
  23. JPDVM2014's Avatar
    Any average joe can pick up a 1020 or a 1520, point and shoot and get fantastic quality photos that look nice. You don't have to know anything about ISO, shutter speed etc to get great quality photos on them phones. Yes they will appeal more to people more familiar with photography, but you don't have to be a pro.
    +1 My wife just recently dropped Android in favor of a 1020. She loves it, and she never uses anything but auto settings. She got it mainly for taking baby pictures, which it is great for. She also hasn't complained once about the time in between taking shots. Guess it's still better then her old Android phone.
    dznk likes this.
    11-21-2013 03:21 PM
  24. michail71's Avatar
    I think many of the tech reviewers out there are still angry Linux didn't destroy Microsoft back in the 90s. So they take it out wherever they can.
    11-21-2013 04:23 PM
  25. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    In all honesty, i just got mine and I am not sure i am too I am thrilled with the camera. Granted, it was a couple of quick test shots not in the best setting. But i was a bit meh...even when I had random settings, my 1020 didn't look so meh.

    But i am going out with friends tonight so I will utilize my camera then....
    11-22-2013 04:58 PM
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