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  1. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    When the 1520 availability was announced with AT&T, they said a 32GB version would soon follow, but NOTHING has been announced after that. I tweeted @NokiaUS and @ATT about it, and they didn't answer. I feel like it will never come at this rate. What do you guys think? Will it be available soon?
    01-06-2014 11:52 AM
  2. ragingklu's Avatar
    I'm not surprised they're quiet on this but I've been wondering the same. It would have been nice to have a rough idea of when this would be so I would have known whether waiting was going to be worth it or not.
    01-06-2014 12:09 PM
  3. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    It was only a ruse to mollify the outrage over AT&T's crippling of the phone.
    01-06-2014 01:22 PM
  4. MadBullBunny's Avatar
    Meh. I don't mind AT&T crippling phones considering I got three new phones in a year spand for only $0.01. Xperia Ion, Galaxy S4 and now Lumia 1520. They give you anything you want as long as you just stay firm with them. Also their prices are dropping. $120 for two phones with 2gb data shared. Plenty enough for both of us with the best service around.
    01-06-2014 02:12 PM
  5. superlawyer15's Avatar
    As an ex-verizon customer I really don't understand all the ATT hate going around this forum

    ...it could be much much MUCH worse
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    01-06-2014 03:00 PM
  6. crav4speed's Avatar
    I think AT&T will get it when Rogers gets it. It will probably be the same device but with different branding, aka the RM-938 which has all North American 3G and LTE bands.
    01-06-2014 04:32 PM
  7. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    As an ex-verizon customer I really don't understand all the ATT hate going around this forum
    Maybe this will help you understand: AT&T turns data caps into profits with new fees for content providers | Ars Technica

    AT&T is going to try to extort money from e.g. Netflix who certainly would pass the cost on to all their customers, not only those idiots who are willing AT&T victims. Hating AT&T with passion is reasonable and justified.

    BTW, crippling the storage is part of the data cap scam: making it more difficult to store stuff on the phone makes the victims use more data.
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    01-06-2014 05:30 PM
  8. 5150 Joker's Avatar
    Yup AT&T sucks as does every other US Telco.

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    01-06-2014 06:09 PM
  9. Citizen X's Avatar
    I feel like it will never come at this rate. What do you guys think?
    I don't think anything. I know it has been less than two months since the 1520 launch. Calm down.

    Maybe this will help you understand: AT&T turns data caps into profits with new fees for content providers | Ars Technica

    AT&T is going to try to extort money from e.g. Netflix who certainly would pass the cost on to all their customers, not only those idiots who are willing AT&T victims. Hating AT&T with passion is reasonable and justified.

    BTW, crippling the storage is part of the data cap scam: making it more difficult to store stuff on the phone makes the victims use more data.
    Conspiracy much?
    01-06-2014 06:17 PM
  10. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    Conspiracy much?
    Let's hear your "non-conspiracy" explanation for the crippled memory, please. $5 savings in manufacturing costs maybe...?
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    01-06-2014 06:25 PM
  11. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    A funny coincidence; in other news about T-Mobile's exclusive Sony Xperia Z1S:

    The Z1S looks very similar to the international Z1, though its headphone jack has been moved to the center of the top edge. Internally, everything is the same, save for more internal storage (32GB vs. 16GB)
    Sony brings its flagship smartphone to the US as the Xperia Z1S for T-Mobile | The Verge
    01-06-2014 08:15 PM
  12. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    A funny coincidence; in other news about T-Mobile's exclusive Sony Xperia Z1S:

    The Z1S looks very similar to the international Z1, though its headphone jack has been moved to the center of the top edge. Internally, everything is the same, save for more internal storage (32GB vs. 16GB)
    Sony brings its flagship smartphone to the US as the Xperia Z1S for T-Mobile | The Verge
    Tmobile gets more storage while ATY less. Sigh.
    01-06-2014 09:25 PM
  13. jfa1's Avatar
    Maybe this will help you understand: AT&T turns data caps into profits with new fees for content providers | Ars Technica

    AT&T is going to try to extort money from e.g. Netflix who certainly would pass the cost on to all their customers, not only those idiots who are willing AT&T victims. Hating AT&T with passion is reasonable and justified.

    BTW, crippling the storage is part of the data cap scam: making it more difficult to store stuff on the phone makes the victims use more data.
    I believe that I read that the 32 Gb model is to come sometime in Q1 of 2014. With respect to data caps and storage If you are on ATT you should have picked up on the ATT locker and quickly taken advantage of the free upgrade to 50 GB its like skydrive in many respects. Also you had an opportunity to add 20 GB of storage to skydrive for a year which should have gotten you up to at least 45 Gb or storage so you have less need to have a 43 Gb model perhaps. I have the 920 w 32 GB and have plenty of room left but I must admit I am probably going to wait to get a 32 GB variant if/when it comes out.
    01-06-2014 11:17 PM
  14. EpidemikE1's Avatar
    Crippling the storage is another way that they could potentially drive more accessory sales, i.e. SD cards. I personally dont mind the storage being 16GB because it is after all expandable, I mind more that they pulled out the wireless charging.
    01-06-2014 11:31 PM
  15. mase123987's Avatar
    After having 32gb and wireless charging with the 920, it is hard to have anything less.
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    01-07-2014 11:07 AM
  16. mase123987's Avatar
    I don't think anything. I know it has been less than two months since the 1520 launch. Calm down.



    Conspiracy much?
    Unstoppablekem was being pretty level headed...

    About the "conspiracy", there is nothing crazy about it. AT&T had Nokia remove Qi wireless charging because of AT&T's ties to PMA. AT&T had them remove memory so you depend on their network more. Companies don't do things for no reason.
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    01-07-2014 11:11 AM
  17. Citizen X's Avatar
    Unstoppablekem was being pretty level headed...
    No.

    About the "conspiracy", there is nothing crazy about it. AT&T had Nokia remove Qi wireless charging because of AT&T's ties to PMA. AT&T had them remove memory so you depend on their network more. Companies don't do things for no reason.
    Picking a standard and then clearly stating to the press you are picking it is not a "conspiracy." at&t had explicitly stated that they have asked all manufactures to provide PMA compatible products. You may not like the standard they picked but that doesn't mean it is a "conspiracy." They felt they needed to pick something and honestly no one has clearly explained to me why one standard is better than the other. Keep in mind most people don't even know about wirelessly charging cell phones let alone care which standard is in their phones.

    Obviously from a PR point of view at&t really shouldn't have done this sort of half step thing with the 1520 but if they bring a fully PMA enabled 1520 to market in a few months I'll be satisfied.

    The notion that at&t removed memory from the phone in some convoluted plot to get you to use more bandwidth is absurd. I've used a 16GB phone for years and not had any problem. Most smartphones out there are 16GB or below and no one has died. 16GB + 64GB removable memory is way more than 99.9% of the users out there will ever need.

    The problem is people look at phone usage from their tiny minority point of view. at&t is selling to the general public not a handful of cell phone gaming fanatics.

    Let's hear your "non-conspiracy" explanation for the crippled memory, please. $5 savings in manufacturing costs maybe...?
    It's been explained numerous times you can't just look at a parts list and say that's what a phone should cost at retail. If that were the case then the iphone 5s would cost less than $200 OFF CONTRACT and be free for everyone on contract on launch day. Yes the iphone 5s is overpriced in my opinion... but it's not that overpriced.

    Anyway keep looking at parts lists and waiting for stuff at retail to sell for $5. I don't know of any manufacturer who doubles the high quality memory in a device from 16 GB to 32 GB and only bumps the cost of the device up $5 at launch. I really don't understand the memory market but I'm not brain dead. I can look at mp3 players, smartphones, and now tablets and the same trend holds in all cases. That is the whole reason many of us have been screaming for removable storage for years. For whatever reason when we go out ourselves and buy the memory cards it's just a lot cheaper.

    Trust me I wish it was only a $5 difference but I have to live in reality.
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    01-07-2014 02:51 PM
  18. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if AT&T chose a smaller memory device with an eye towards encouraging more streaming and data use. They might also see that many of their customers are fine with 16gb phones and are not usually interested in paying more for a larger device.
    I can't entirely blame AT&T for the size thing. There's no way the 32gb model would only cost them $5 more from Nokia. Now, if Nokia wants to disclose the price gap we'll have a better understanding.
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    01-07-2014 03:30 PM
  19. 5150 Joker's Avatar
    CitizenX sounds like an AT&T shill.


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    01-07-2014 03:44 PM
  20. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    An example: Surface Pro 2 with 64GB is $899; 128GB is $999. That's $25 per 16GB added. Only when the price is set by Apple or AT&T, added 16GB costs $100 retail.
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    01-07-2014 03:58 PM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    They're still trying to rip the Qi out of that model.
    01-07-2014 04:37 PM
  22. mase123987's Avatar
    WPCentral now reporting Jan. 10 date to start taking orders.
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    01-07-2014 04:45 PM
  23. Citizen X's Avatar
    An example: Surface Pro 2 with 64GB is $899; 128GB is $999. That's $25 per 16GB added. Only when the price is set by Apple or AT&T, added 16GB costs $100 retail.
    The Surface Pro 2 uses an SSD and even with that caveat $25>$5. And you are talking going from 64 GB to 128 GB. I asked about going from 16 GB to 32 GB. The fact that we are talking about phones and 16 GB and you had to jump all the way to the Surface Pro 2 which is basically a netbook in tablet form tells me you can't walk into any cell phone store regardless of which corporation runs it and pay $5 to double the internal memory on a 16 GB high end phone.

    Since this whole 16 GB kerfuffle started I have asked people multiple times which recently released high end cell phone do you know of where you can get the 16 GB version for X dollars and the 32 GB version for X+$5. Nobody answers the question. I just think conspiracy theories are intellectually lazy. People are confronted with facts they don't want to accept so they ignore them. I can't fully explain the universal mark up but I'm not going to just pretend it doesn't exist.

    CitizenX sounds like an AT&T shill.
    Then please state for us which recently released high end smartphone you can buy the 16 GB version for $X and the 32 GB version for $X+5. Is that the way it works at Verizon? T-Mobile perhaps?

    The at&t version of the phone debuted at less than $550 off contract and was free on contract last month. Is the Qi 32GB version being sold for only $5 more somewhere on the planet? Seriously the at&t version is substantially cheaper than the prices I've seen for this device in other countries. If I am wrong and you guys are seeing the Qi 32 GB version of this phone being sold for less than $550+$5 from reputable sellers with full warranty go ahead and post your data and we will discuss. If someone shows us that happening all over the place then I will have to revise my thinking.

    And I am still waiting on this big insightful explanation of why Qi is better than PMA... or vice versa. I don't own either and I don't want to argue. I just want someone to take a break from conspiracy theories and ranting and just explain to me the difference and why I should love one and loathe the other.
    01-07-2014 05:52 PM
  24. DennisvdG's Avatar
    I dont get why at&t sucks apples baws, they could just support both qi and pma but nooh f wp and give it an even bigger disadvantage
    01-07-2014 06:12 PM
  25. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    Since this whole 16 GB kerfuffle started I have asked people multiple times which recently released high end cell phone do you know of where you can get the 16 GB version for X dollars and the 32 GB version for X+$5. Nobody answers the question. I just think conspiracy theories are intellectually lazy blah blah blah
    Quick googling finds the cheapest you can buy Sony Xperia Z1 with 16GB is $564.99. T-Mobile is reported to sell their version with 32GB for unsubsidized price of $528.00. So that's a 32 GB version for X-$37... which, granted, is not X+$5.
    01-07-2014 06:43 PM
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