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  1. tonybessette's Avatar
    I see this headline everywhere "AT&T removed Qi wireless charging in the Lumia 1520 to make room for PMA"...and it seems to have everyone upset over it.

    So I know that my AT&T 1520 does not come with QI wireless charging, but does it come with PMA wireless charging (hence the three dots on the back)? If so isn't that the same as QI....just buy a PMA charging mat and set my 1520 down on it?
    02-06-2014 03:53 PM
  2. zultar's Avatar
    It's like the 925, you need a charging case first
    02-06-2014 04:01 PM
  3. Lloydbm4's Avatar
    AT&T pretty much screwed its customers over by forcing us to buy into PMA (kind of like their blocking Google Wallet for over a year because they backed a crappy secpond rate Isis Wallet product.) Qi charging has become the defacto standard (hence why Nokia has it in the international version of this phone and pretty much every other flagship phone), why Samsung, Google, etc all use it. Microsoft or Nokia allowing AT&T to dictate terms of sales like this is pure horsesh!t. I have a ton of devices with Qi wireless charging and quite a few Qi chargers. I'll be damned if AT&T is going to get a dime out of me for some crappy PMA case or a PMA charger.
    02-06-2014 04:10 PM
  4. tonybessette's Avatar
    Ahhhhh....so AT&T had Nokia remove QI wireless charging in favor of PMA wireless charging....only it's not wireless charging. You STILL have to plug your phone into a PMA case. That's dumb...and NOT wireless. PMA should be like QI, and built in....just set the phone down on a PMA mat, and go.
    02-06-2014 04:24 PM
  5. trobs29's Avatar
    Well, there are some Lumias that were designed that way where you need a charging case to enjoy wireless charging (i.e. 1020, 925, etc.). The point here is that ever since the first WP8 phones were sold by AT&T, Qi was the technology being used, and lots of customers who purchases such phones have possibly invested in Qi charging plates, which now become useless because of the wireless charging technology switch.

    I do agree with having Qi built in, though.
    02-06-2014 05:05 PM
  6. manicottiK's Avatar
    AT&T had Nokia remove QI wireless charging in favor of PMA...[but] You STILL have to plug your phone into a PMA case.
    Yes, but you put your phone into the PMA case just once and can set it down on the charging pad over and over again. The downside for existing Lumia customers is that our installed base of charging pads won't work with the newer phone. The downside for new customers is that they must choose a specific case (AT&T has removed all customer choice in cases) and that case is expensive ($50), thick (13.7mm vs 8.7mm for the phone itself), and heavy (1.78 oz. added to the 7.36 oz. of the AT&T 1520).
    02-06-2014 06:15 PM
  7. tonybessette's Avatar
    Where is this charging cover for the 1520? I'm trying to look it up on YouTube, but only QI comes up....even though I put "PMA Charging Cover 1520" in the search window.
    02-06-2014 06:52 PM
  8. Citizen X's Avatar
    tonybessette,

    I asked this very same question when I read all the posts of people running around like their hair was on fire. Most of the replies were completely worthless rants. Next to no one had any insightful comments about Qi vs PMA technology. As far as I can tell from the end user's perspective there isn't much difference.

    The issue was Qi was built into a few at&t handsets and as far as I know PMA wasn't. But let's be clear the vast majority of flagship cellphones sold in the US do NOT have any kind of built in wireless charging. So for the few people that bought Qi phones and accompanying accessories it's a major disappointment for at&t to dump the standard in favor of PMA... which as I said doesn't appear to be in ANY phones.

    The other issue is the manner in which PMA was introduced via the 1520. You need a PMA shell and they only sell one overpriced case. If you don't like that case you are screwed. If they had a variety of good cases I personally wouldn't care. I would just get the case I like and move on with my life.

    As far as the bigger picture is concerned, my understanding is Qi and PMA took different strategies for marketing their standards. Qi concentrated on end users and PMA concentrated on businesses. So PMA has installed PMA chargers in a handful of businesses just like Qi has installed their tech in a handful of handsets. So neither standard has "won the war." You go into a coffee shop and want to charge your phone you most likely will find a PMA charger installed in the table... unfortunately your phone will most likely have Qi built in. Actually most likely you won't encounter either standard. It's kind of a wide open territory.

    I read somewhere that one advantage PMA had was that it gave businesses more control of the charging port. So it could limit who can charge their phone and even send messages to the phone. So that is obviously a boon to businesses and helps encourage wireless charging rollout.

    If I got any of that wrong someone please correct me. I am not an expert and I would love any new information.
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    02-06-2014 07:21 PM
  9. Citizen X's Avatar
    Where is this charging cover for the 1520? I'm trying to look it up on YouTube, but only QI comes up....even though I put "PMA Charging Cover 1520" in the search window.
    Incipio.

    The case provides no protection to the front of the device... which is why I am not getting it.
    02-06-2014 07:23 PM
  10. mozman68's Avatar
    tonybessette,

    I asked this very same question when I read all the posts of people running around like their hair was on fire. Most of the replies were completely worthless rants. Next to no one had any insightful comments about Qi vs PMA technology. As far as I can tell from the end user's perspective there isn't much difference.

    The issue was Qi was built into a few at&t handsets and as far as I know PMA wasn't. But let's be clear the vast majority of flagship cellphones sold in the US do NOT have any kind of built in wireless charging. So for the few people that bought Qi phones and accompanying accessories it's a major disappointment for at&t to dump the standard in favor of PMA... which as I said doesn't appear to be in ANY phones.

    The other issue is the manner in which PMA was introduced via the 1520. You need a PMA shell and they only sell one overpriced case. If you don't like that case you are screwed. If they had a variety of good cases I personally wouldn't care. I would just get the case I like and move on with my life.

    As far as the bigger picture is concerned, my understanding is Qi and PMA took different strategies for marketing their standards. Qi concentrated on end users and PMA concentrated on businesses. So PMA has installed PMA chargers in a handful of businesses just like Qi has installed their tech in a handful of handsets. So neither standard has "won the war." You go into a coffee shop and want to charge your phone you most likely will find a PMA charger installed in the table... unfortunately your phone will most likely have Qi built in. Actually most likely you won't encounter either standard. It's kind of a wide open territory.

    I read somewhere that one advantage PMA had was that it gave businesses more control of the charging port. So it could limit who can charge their phone and even send messages to the phone. So that is obviously a boon to businesses and helps encourage wireless charging rollout.

    If I got any of that wrong someone please correct me. I am not an expert and I would love any new information.
    EXACTLY!

    AT&T is just making a smart business move....they are driving the standard to PMA because that is what they believe in and WANT to be the standard while providing the capability in their products without FORCING it into the actual products.

    Could PMA be integrated into the 1520? Sure. But by driving it to a case standard versus integrated is a good way to give customers a variety of charging options without worrying about having a case that blocks the ability to charge.

    The fact that there is only one case out there really isn't AT&T's fault...especially considering the phone has only been available for 3 months.

    If wireless charging was the ONLY way to charge the phone, then I could understand the "hair on fire" reactions. It's not great, but it is what it is for now.
    02-07-2014 04:10 PM
  11. Citizen X's Avatar
    AT&T pretty much screwed its customers over by forcing us to buy into PMA...
    How many coffee shops can you charge your phone with Qi? Starbucks has PMA.
    06-12-2014 03:12 PM
  12. Will6371's Avatar
    How many coffee shops can you charge your phone with Qi? Starbucks has PMA.
    But with qi you don't need a separate case.
    06-12-2014 04:09 PM
  13. e1tep's Avatar
    Intel showed some pretty amazing stuff at computex. They didn't say it, but I suppose it was PMA.
    Basically they showed a large charging mat that can be mounted on a table (even on the down side). It could charge anything that was on top of the table. And this through a thick table and up to several centimeters into the air!

    I have a QI charging station for my 920, but if this stuff is only possible with PMA, I'm all in!
    Better choose the best technology for a new standard :)
    06-12-2014 04:32 PM
  14. Citizen X's Avatar
    But with qi you don't need a separate case.
    You don't need a separate case for PMA either. There is nothing in the PMA standards that requires a case.

    Intel showed some pretty amazing stuff at computex. They didn't say it, but I suppose it was PMA.
    Basically they showed a large charging mat that can be mounted on a table (even on the down side). It could charge anything that was on top of the table. And this through a thick table and up to several centimeters into the air!
    Doubt it. Probably another standard called a4wp. Basically as far as I can tell Qi is the standard with the least features. You have already described one trick of A4WP. Someone else mentioned the smart features of PMA. And Qi? Nothing.
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    06-12-2014 05:01 PM
  15. wpfan86's Avatar
    Are there any mainstream phones currently being sold that have PMA charging capability built into the phone?
    06-12-2014 05:17 PM
  16. Citizen X's Avatar
    Are there any mainstream phones currently being sold that have PMA charging capability built into the phone?
    None that I know of. The vast majority of phones of any type that are sold have no wireless charging of any sort built in. Qi fanbois were early adopters and got burned. Having said that I am contemplating enabling Qi on my 1520 just because I can do it built in. But it is what it is. Once at&t started giving away chargers for free I had to take the plunge.
    06-12-2014 05:35 PM
  17. Rawliglat x's Avatar
    How many coffee shops can you charge your phone with Qi? Starbucks has PMA.
    Point 1...
    If that isn't the stupidest argument I have seen today, I dunno what is.
    First of all, let me tell you that Starbucks is the only coffee shop (and the only big Company I know) that provides their customers with PMA charging.
    Secondly, there are only 64 countries with Starbucks, and of all those 64 its only in USA (that i know off) where they have began to implement this (of which, I don't even know how many Starbucks shops have this).
    So when you look at the number of people that have access to this store, it still barely helps the relevance of PMA.

    Refute...
    Where as there is only one chain of store in only one country that we know to have PMA, there are over a million people world wide that have Qi chargers. In other words, the probability of finding a Qi hotspot is far more than that of PMA. And the difference in probability increases significantly if you are outside USA. Infact the probability of encountering a PMA hotspot in some countries is ZERO.

    Point 2...
    But you know what? Lets assume everyone in the world had access to Starbucks and their PMA hotspot.
    The average phone takes about 3-3,5 hours to completely charge. It would be far more convenient to just charge with the cord at home than sit 3 hours in starbucks waiting for your phone to charge.

    And in support of Qi charging, there a numerous amounts of Qi power bans that you can carry around with you anywhere any time and charge wirelessly without chords.
    I still haven't heard of a PMA powerbank.

    And lastly, Qi is lest harsh on your pocket. You can easily get a Qi charger for $5-$10 and a good Qi powerbank for about $40. Whereas, PMA case alone costs almost $50 and that is without the charger.
    And you have only one case as an option or "F*CK YOU".

    AT&T switching to PMA might have been good for their company in the sense that they try to shift the market to another standard where they pioneer.
    But in reality, they just put unnecessary burden on their costumers.

    Last edited by Rawliglat x; 06-12-2014 at 06:42 PM.
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    06-12-2014 06:04 PM
  18. trivor's Avatar
    There are a lot more Qi compatible phones (Samsung Galaxy Line S3-S5), LG G2, LG G3. Neither one has become a universal standard but Qi is still more common for consumers.
    06-12-2014 06:19 PM
  19. Will6371's Avatar
    You don't need a separate case for PMA either. There is nothing in the PMA standards that requires a case.
    You do realize that in post 16 you contradict yourself.
    06-12-2014 08:19 PM
  20. Citizen X's Avatar
    You don't need a separate case for PMA either. There is nothing in the PMA standards that requires a case.
    You do realize that in post 16 you contradict yourself.
    Reading comprehension my friend. There is nothing in the PMA standard that requires a case. If you know different post your evidence.
    06-12-2014 09:31 PM
  21. Citizen X's Avatar
    Point 1...
    If that isn't the stupidest argument I have seen today, I dunno what is.
    First of all, let me tell you that Starbucks is the only coffee shop (and the only big Company I know) that provides their customers with PMA charging.
    That is a lie. Multiple retailers on multiple continents are rolling out PMA. The first introduction for most people to wireless phone charging will be at the ubiquitous PMA charging stations at the ubiquitous Star Bucks coffee shops not asking their friend to go to their bedroom to borrow their Qi charger. What kind of weirdo does that anyway?

    But you know what? Lets assume everyone in the world had access to Starbucks and their PMA hotspot.
    The average phone takes about 3-3,5 hours to completely charge. It would be far more convenient to just charge with the cord at home than sit 3 hours in starbucks waiting for your phone to charge.
    So everyone I see huddled around wall sockets in the airport is waiting around 3-3.5hrs to charge their phones from zero to 100%? That's a lot of missed flights just to charge a phone. Do you hear yourself?

    And lastly, Qi is lest harsh on your pocket. You can easily get a Qi charger for $5-$10 and a good Qi powerbank for about $40. Whereas, PMA case alone costs almost $50 and that is without the charger.
    That's a lie. I got a PMA case from at&t for $18.75. I also got a two phone charging plate with a wirelessly charged battery to take with me when I'm not at home for $18.75... also from at&t. The only reason you can get a quality Qi charger for less than $5 again from at&t is because they are getting rid of them.



    When the initial propaganda about Qi being the end all be all first hit this forum I was totally open minded. I asked several times why Qi was superior to PMA. No one could tell me.

    The second thing I encountered was everyone going on and on like Qi was the standard. Personally Ive never met or seen anyone who uses wireless charging of any sort. People keep going on and on about how all these phones come with Qi. Well actually the vast majority of phones dont come with any wireless charging built in. In fact the vast majority of Nokias dont either. Some come with Qi ready to go out of the box but most of the current models require some kind of separate back to work. And lets be frank Nokia phone sales are a pimple on the **** of the cellular market. And the subset that has Qi fully enabled are a small fraction of those.

    Heres a thought exercises for the open minded. Lets say there is one phone that comes with Qi fully enabled. And lets say there are zero phone that come with PMA fully enabled. So how many more Qi enabled phones are there than PMA enabled phones? 1/0 =Error. Basically there are infinitely more Qi enabled phones. Does that mean there are a lot in absolute terms? Ummm no.
    06-12-2014 11:36 PM
  22. Lloydbm4's Avatar
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    The second thing I encountered was everyone going on and on like Qi was the standard. Personally Ive never met or seen anyone who uses wireless charging of any sort. People keep going on and on about how all these phones come with Qi. Well actually the vast majority of phones dont come with any wireless charging built in. In fact the vast majority of Nokias dont either. Some come with Qi ready to go out of the box but most of the current models require some kind of separate back to work. And lets be frank Nokia phone sales are a pimple on the **** of the cellular market. And the subset that has Qi fully enabled are a small fraction of those.
    Let us see if this enlightens your view a little.

    Every Samsung Galaxy S3/4/5 and Note 2/3 and soon 4 can add Qi wireless charging by either replacing the back battery cover and replacing it with the Qi one, or simply adding a paper thin wire coil pack that does the same thing and cheap at the cost of $10. Every Nexus 5/7 device comes with Qi built in. Nokia 92x, 1020 have it, but need cases. The Intl 1520 has it. The LG G2/3 have it built in. Add a Qi charger (which can be had on Amazon for $5-$10 bucks from any number of vendors) and you are set. In most cases, $20 is all you need to spend for Qi. With PMA, you can't even get a 'mandatory' case for that price. Speaking of which, have you seen the ugly *** cases for PMA? Well, what few options there are anyway. Your phone may be PMA compatible and you can go out and buy a powermat, but guess what? You're outta luck. No PMA case is available for your phone. Too bad. So sad.

    Meanwhile, let me find a PMA charger. What's this? Seems Duracell (Proctor and Gamble subsidiary) has a patent on the base charging system for PMA, which means dictating costs to anyone that wants to make a powermat clone. Qi has no such limitations. Sorry, maybe you prefer getting f#@ked in the a@@, but I don't. And let's look at this statement from ATT: " AT&T has acknowledged the lack of compatible devices, and has said that charging cases will be released at additional cost at or soon after the launch date." And now we know why ATT took our option for Qi away.

    Now, you may consider 100 million phones sold per quarter that are Qi compatible/built in a pimple on the a@@ end of the cellular market, but the PMA alternative equates to a tenth of that and will be run by Duracell, which in turn can dictate pricing to consumers trapped in PMA? Good luck with that. I'll stick with Qi. Personally I like having charging options. I have the Tylt Vu for home and work desks and the Lugalake 6000mah wireless charger for trips. And I have cheap Qi chargers as extras laying around for those that need one. Options are nice to have. This is something ATT and Verizon like to deny customers.
    Last edited by Lloydbm4; 06-13-2014 at 12:52 AM.
    06-13-2014 12:37 AM
  23. Citizen X's Avatar
    Let us see if this enlightens your view a little.

    Every Samsung Galaxy S3/4/5 and Note 2/3 and soon 4 can add Qi wireless...
    Obviously you don't understand the concept of fully enabled. Let's see if I can clear this up for you. Look back on all my posts on this topic. At no point do I use the number of at&t 1520s sold to calculate any kind of PMA install base. Why? Because next to none of them will every get a PMA case and charging case. THE NUMBER IS IRRELEVANT.

    Most Samsung Galaxy owners aren't even aware there is a wireless charging option. Why on earth are you trying to use those phony numbers to make your point? Use real FULLY ENABLED numbers.

    Meanwhile, let me find a PMA charger. What's this? Seems Duracell (Proctor and Gamble subsidiary) has a patent on the base charging system for PMA, which means dictating costs to anyone that wants to make a powermat clone. Qi has no such limitations. Sorry, maybe you prefer getting f#@ked in the a@@, but I don't.
    There is no "prefer." That's the problem. You are arguing with emotions and profanity and I am stating facts. If you can't find a dual phone charging PMA charging mat with a wireless charging extra battery for $18.75 that is your problem. I bought a couple of them right from at&t. If you are getting "f#@ked in the a@@" how is that at&t or Duracell's fault? They slashed the prices of the products you just had to go to att.com.


    Now, you may consider 100 million phones sold per quarter that are Qi compatible/built in a pimple on the a@@ end of the cellular market, but...
    Again stop with the strawmen and the fantasy numbers. The vast majority of that 100 million will never buy the part necessary to implement wireless charging so they are irrelevant to the discussion. Just like the majority of Nokia customers will not buy Qi charging backs for the 1020 or 925 or any of the other Qi compatible phones I just saw in the at&t store.

    Anyway you too seem to have missed the main point. PMA is a "smart" charger. Qi is dumb. Businesses will gravitate towards PMA charging. A PMA charging station becomes so much more than just a place to "plug in" your phone. I mean a business can reach out and actually alter customer behavior in real time....


    For Starbucks, the PMA standard is the most attractive one because it integrates user identification capabilities, so a shop can keep track of its customers based on where and how long their phones have been on a charging spot. If, for instance, the shop recognizes that a person has been sitting at a charging station for a while without making a purchase, it could theoretically send that phone a coupon.
    Starbucks to hook up wireless charging stations in shops - CNET

    If I was a business I know which option I would choose. Oh, and by the way...

    Schreiber said that's beginning to change. He noted that the Asus PadFone X was the first smartphone with PMA technology embedded in the phone, likely at the request of AT&T, which has been pushing that standard as well. Sprint's recently announced Kyorcera Hydro Vibe also comes with PMA wireless charging as an option. Samsung now offers a replacement back cover that is PMA-compatible, although it has long offered a Qi cover as well.
    So are you guys going to come back in a few months and start throwing figures around counting 100 million phones with PMA enabled now that Samsung has signed on to PMA and is making covers for their phones? Didn't think so.

    You were an early adopter and the horse you bet on looks like it is going to be killed off. Get over it. I just bought my first Qi charger last week. I am probably going to hack my phone to work with Qi because I got a bunch of Qi chargers during the fire sale. They will work nicely for 2+ yrs and then everything with be PMA or whatever wins the war. No big deal. Wireless charging is not main stream. You went out picked a niche and got burned. That's part of the gamble.
    06-13-2014 01:25 AM
  24. fitchalcyone's Avatar
    One thing I've always wondered... In regards to wireless charging-enabled Lumias, like the AT&T 1520, the 925, and 1020, is the Qi/PMA in the phone or in the case? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but I mean it. Say if Nokia decided to make a flip cover for the 1520 that also had the coils for wireless charging, could they in theoretically make one with Qi in it, or is what's inside of the actual phone half of the equation and it can only be one or the other (Qi or PMA)? I really never put too much thought into this before until I realized that the AT&T 925 was the Lumia that actually began the PMA transition, as the wireless backs AT&T sold were PMA. My sister has a T-Mobile 925 and still uses her old Qi pads, but going back to my other question, do the two carrier variants have different innards for the charging?

    I personally bought the PMA case for my 1520 and haven't used my CP-623 flip cover much since. While I don't know the technical ins and outs and/or the benefits one standard may bring over the next, I've accepted that AT&T simply isn't going the Qi route now, and the fire sale of Qi pads helps to reaffirm that. This is kind of an extreme reasoning, but tech simply changes over time, and at some point your accessories for "this" won't work with "that." I bought my PMA case for $25, and while it doesn't have any protection for the front, a screen protector makes a good supplement, and the corners and back are pretty safe. Weight and thickness is of course subjective, but the phone feels more ergonomic in the hand with the PMA case and the weightiness of it is not unlike how many found the 920's heaviness to feel "right." You can also get a two-device PMA pad with AT&T for $25 without any discounts. And in case anyone was wondering, I've invested a bit in Qi before. Ended up with 3 charging pads total, back during the regular price days. Sure, they don't do me any good now, but now my mom 30 minutes away can use them with her 810. If AT&T changes their mind down the road, great, I'll take one back and use it again. If not, well, no hard feelings. Change happens, sometimes.
    06-13-2014 01:36 AM
  25. Lloydbm4's Avatar
    Obviously you don't understand the concept of fully enabled. Let's see if I can clear this up for you. Look back on all my posts on this topic. At no point do I use the number of at&t 1520s sold to calculate any kind of PMA install base. Why? Because next to none of them will every get a PMA case and charging case. THE NUMBER IS IRRELEVANT.
    Numbers are irrelevant to those that have none to justify their point. You sound like a blackberry fan.
    Most Samsung Galaxy owners aren't even aware there is a wireless charging option. Why on earth are you trying to use those phony numbers to make your point? Use real FULLY ENABLED numbers.
    I love your rationalization of a standard with no install base, little to no accessories for it, no advertisement for it, and to top it off, it is a closed system that will cost consumers more money for the privilege of wireless charging. Here's a history lesson on the difference between closed and open alliances. Mac vs PC. Which system ended up with over 90% of the market?
    BTW, I'd love to see the survey you conducted proving how 'most' Galaxy owners don't know about wireless charging. You do know that Samsung advertises Qi charging on all their Galaxy S phones? Samsung sells Qi chargers as well.


    There is no "prefer." That's the problem. You are arguing with emotions and profanity and I am stating facts.
    Facts? You haven't stated a single fact.

    If you can't find a dual phone charging PMA charging mat with a wireless charging extra battery for $18.75 that is your problem. I bought a couple of them right from at&t. If you are getting "f#@ked in the a@@" how is that at&t or Duracell's fault? They slashed the prices of the products you just had to go to att.com.
    oh, guess I missed the 'big' sale at ATT.com on a single PMA charger. I the $5 Qi charger deal. But I usually don't buy crap from ATT. I use them for service not to buy products. I use this small company you may have heard of called Amazon. Pretty sure more people shop there than ATT. But glad to hear you still overpaid for a $1 item from ATT.


    Again stop with the strawmen and the fantasy numbers. The vast majority of that 100 million will never buy the part necessary to implement wireless charging so they are irrelevant to the discussion. Just like the majority of Nokia customers will not buy Qi charging backs for the 1020 or 925 or any of the other Qi compatible phones I just saw in the at&t store.
    Is the sky blue in your world?
    Anyway you too seem to have missed the main point. PMA is a "smart" charger. Qi is dumb. Businesses will gravitate towards PMA charging. A PMA charging station becomes so much more than just a place to "plug in" your phone. I mean a business can reach out and actually alter customer behavior in real time....
    LOL. PMA is smart in that it I used for advertising and pulling demographic information. BUT, only if you use the businesses system. And glad to hear that is what you want. But here is the issue with your entire argument. People don't go to businesses to charge their phone. People don't NEED wireless charging stations on the go, especially since it is slower than corded charging. Your trying to justify PMA as a standard because a business wants it? Consumers are the ones that end up making the 'standard' not businesses, because the consumer is the one buying the product.



    Starbucks to hook up wireless charging stations in shops - CNET

    If I was a business I know which option I would choose. Oh, and by the way...
    Oh my god! Starbucks has joined the PMA! Game over. PMA has won.

    You know how many times I have seen someone use one of those piwermats built into the tables to charge their phone? Zero. In fact, most of them have been disconnected cause no one cares.


    So are you guys going to come back in a few months and start throwing figures around counting 100 million phones with PMA enabled now that Samsung has signed on to PMA and is making covers for their phones? Didn't think so.

    You were an early adopter and the horse you bet on looks like it is going to be killed off. Get over it. I just bought my first Qi charger last week. I am probably going to hack my phone to work with Qi because I got a bunch of Qi chargers during the fire sale. They will work nicely for 2+ yrs and then everything with be PMA or whatever wins the war. No big deal. Wireless charging is not main stream. You went out picked a niche and got burned. That's part of the gamble.
    You might want to inform all those company that build Qi phones, Qi chargers, Qi inserts, and Qi covers that they need to stop making products because it is futile. I know you can convince them that pma is the best.

    Oh yeah, and I would def peg you as a Betamax owner. #sarcasticpostover
    06-13-2014 03:05 AM
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