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  1. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    Why not buy a 7 inch tablet? Jeez we'll be on 32 inch phones soon carrying them around in bags,
    08-19-2014 03:05 PM
  2. Rawliglat x's Avatar
    They are growing off a smaller base so it's natural they will have a higher growth rate. According to Canalys as of Q1 2014 Smartphones below 5 inches accounted for 66% of all smartphone shipments globally, smartphones of 6 inches and higher accounted for 2%
    Proof or its not through.

    And when they say phablets sales, they mean 5.5"-7".
    08-19-2014 04:40 PM
  3. Rawliglat x's Avatar
    Why not buy a 7 inch tablet?
    I agree, better buy a tablet then.
    08-19-2014 04:41 PM
  4. switch side method's Avatar
    General blanket statements aside if you look at the adduplex June 2014 device stats neither 1520 nor the 1320 are of any significance in terms of market share. Granted this doesn't factor in release dates, but overall the Windows Phone market is dominated by smaller screen cheaper devices.
    Nokia producing the NL1520 or Samsung producing the Note on it's own doesn't mean that's where the sweet spot is either. There is a market for these devices, no one is arguing against that, but at this point the smartphone market is dominated by "smaller screen" devices.

    I'm not arguing where the actual sweet spot is, devices that are 5 inch and higher grew at a much higher rate so if I had to guess I'd say 4 to 5 inches won't be a sweet spot for too long, but that doesn't mean 6+ inches is going to be the sweet spot either.
    I agree to that but also want to add to that. The only reason why 4-5" is the most sold phones of the size is not because of the size believe it or not. It's just that its cheaper to buy. Imagine if you had two identical phones. Same price but one was 4.5" and the other was 6" I think the 6" would be the one taking the market share. It's just that 4-5" is the low-mid budget price while anything bigger is priced higher out of most peoples reach. That's my personal opinion from what I have seen from my friends anyway
    sez who likes this.
    08-19-2014 04:56 PM
  5. borasar's Avatar
    Proof or its not through.

    And when they say phablets sales, they mean 5.5"-7".
    Proof? I mentioned Canalys and Q1 2014, you can go ahead and Google that yourself.

    "And When they say phablet sales", who is they? There is no firm definition of phablet, Galaxy Note was originally 5.3 so I guess that's not a phablet?. Also I was responding to your post about “larger size devices growing rapidly” does that include phablets and not phablets? Cause many would consider anything above 5 inches a larger screen device.

    The whole conversation started about 6 inch and over phones. Providing a range of 5.5-7 is way too general these days as phones are getting bigger. But even if we take your 5.5-7 definition it's still fairly small. 5 inches and under are 66%, 5 to 5.4 inches are 22%, 5.5 to 5.9 inches are 10% and 6+ inches are 2%. So by your definition it is still only 12% of the market based on the Canalys research.

    Q2, 2014 splits are as follows: 5 and under are 60%, 5 to 5.4 are 29%, 5.5 to 5.9 are 9% and 6+ are at 2%. So looks like the 5 to 5.4 range increased its marketshare and the 5.5-7 range lost market share from prior quarter
    Last edited by borasar; 08-19-2014 at 05:47 PM.
    08-19-2014 05:16 PM
  6. borasar's Avatar
    I agree to that but also want to add to that. The only reason why 4-5" is the most sold phones of the size is not because of the size believe it or not. It's just that its cheaper to buy. Imagine if you had two identical phones. Same price but one was 4.5" and the other was 6" I think the 6" would be the one taking the market share. It's just that 4-5" is the low-mid budget price while anything bigger is priced higher out of most peoples reach. That's my personal opinion from what I have seen from my friends anyway
    Part of it is affordability of course, but the size in terms of size in hand and size in the pocket are also considerations. I personally don't find 6 inch phones comfortable to use or carry, I'm sure there are many that do and many that don't.
    08-19-2014 05:20 PM
  7. Rawliglat x's Avatar
    Proof? I mentioned Canalys and Q1 2014, you can go ahead and Google that yourself.
    Took your proposal and googled "Canalys and Q1 2014.
    The very first link I proves my argument that the sale larger screen devices grew a great deal. It a whooping percentage of 369%.

    Although, yes, states 5" and above devices for its range, it goes further to explain that Samsung has the highest market share in this range, and among Samsung's share, only 44% were devices of 5" and above. For devices of 5.5" and above they held a whooping share of 53%.
    In other words, the biggest OEM in the large screen market, sold more 5.5" and above than it did 5"-5.4".

    And with a further read it says, the 5" and above phones own 47% of the market share of devices which are $500 and above (high end phones). So I consideration of high end phones, only 53% of the market share are 5" and below, and of this 53%, 87% are iPhones thats leaves just 13% left to other smaller screen phones. And with a little maths, that leaves approximately 7% of total high-end market share to not apple smartphones.

    In summary, for high-end phones:
    apple (small screen) = 46% share
    non-apple (small screen) = 7% share
    non-apple (large screen) = 47% share

    This proves that in the high-end market, non apple large screen phones sell a lot more than the non apple small screen phone. And with the introduction of a large screen iPhone 6, larger screen will most definitely dominate the whole market.

    Source: [ A third of smart phones shipped in Q1 had 5"-plus displays | Canalys ]
    08-19-2014 07:13 PM
  8. MDK22's Avatar
    Wow really? Because the sales of the 1520 hasn't really skyrocketed market sales of Nokia devices, infact neither has the Galaxy Mega either.

    Trust me 4.7 to 5 inches are what boost the sales, not huge 6 inch devices, the 6 inch devices are made for a special kind of people.
    Larger devices are taking over the market, that's where the trend is currently going - even Apple.
    Android isn't laggy I use it everyday on my Nexus 5. Use Android before you abuse it.
    Ahhh, Nexus 5, vanilla Android (preferred flavor), but how many (as percentage) consumer devices are sold with vanilla Android ? more than 10% ?
    Don't forget to cite your reference ...
    08-19-2014 08:05 PM
  9. Nimdock's Avatar
    General blanket statements aside if you look at the adduplex June 2014 device stats neither 1520 nor the 1320 are of any significance in terms of market share. Granted this doesn't factor in release dates, but overall the Windows Phone market is dominated by smaller screen cheaper devices.
    Nokia producing the NL1520 or Samsung producing the Note on it's own doesn't mean that's where the sweet spot is either. There is a market for these devices, no one is arguing against that, but at this point the smartphone market is dominated by "smaller screen" devices.

    I'm not arguing where the actual sweet spot is, devices that are 5 inch and higher grew at a much higher rate so if I had to guess I'd say 4 to 5 inches won't be a sweet spot for too long, but that doesn't mean 6+ inches is going to be the sweet spot either.
    I cannot disagree with a whole lot of what you said.

    I was not arguing that big phones were selling like hotcakes. My main point was that I hate the kind of comment that goes along the lines of 'this is what I use and this is the sweet spot so forget your idea'. If big phones were not selling they would not be making them. The Note has gone through several iterations and they have not stopped production. There must be a reason. They are not in the business to lose money.

    There is no sweet spot because each person is different. So each of us has a sweet spot. Now, there may be more people with certain sweet spots which does not mean the other sweet spots are not profitable or will not be made or should be ignored.

    I'm done with the sweet spot talk, hehe. :P


    In my case, after a couple of weeks of using a Lumia 1520 I pick up a Lumia 920 and it feels tiny, really tiny.

    If someone wants a 7" phone and someone is willing to make it, hey, congrats and be happy with your device (as if to kind of contradict myself I don't see it happening :P).
    08-19-2014 09:55 PM
  10. borasar's Avatar
    Took your proposal and googled "Canalys and Q1 2014.
    The very first link I proves my argument that the sale larger screen devices grew a great deal. It a whooping percentage of 369%.
    Doesn't prove anything cause that includes devices 5 inches and above as you mention later and based on Canalys a large chunk of that growth at least on the QoQ basis appears to be in the 5-5.4 range.

    Samsung has the highest market share in this range, and among Samsung's share, only 44% were devices of 5" and above. For devices of 5.5" and above they held a whooping share of 53%. In other words, the biggest OEM in the large screen market, sold more 5.5" and above than it did 5"-5.4".
    That's not what it means, it means in the 5.5 and above range they have a higher market share than in the 5-5.4 range, but since the 5-5.4 range is much bigger than 5.5+ range they would still be selling more devices overall that are 5-5.4 than 5.5 and above. In other words they have a larger piece of a smaller pie in the 5.5+ range. The overall results clearly show that 5.5+ accounts for 12% of the market in Q1-14 and 11% in Q2-14, where as the 5 to 5.4 range grew significantly.

    This proves that in the high-end market, non apple large screen phones sell a lot more than the non apple small screen phone. And with the introduction of a large screen iPhone 6, larger screen will most definitely dominate the whole market.
    Apple is rumoured to be releasing two devices a 4.7 inch and a 5.5 inch model later on, so even their bigger device will be border line a phablet by your definition, which kinda shows that they think that the majority of the growth and the shift in the market is going toward the 4.7-5.5 range. The 5.5-7 range has a market but it's not as big as the 4.7-5.5 range or even the smaller 5-5.5 range. There is an overall shift to larger screens across the board, which will likely result in the 4.7-5.5 range eating up a lot of the sub 5 (4.7 and lower) range and becoming the majority of the market. The 5.5 and above will be growing but it won't be as big.

    Looking at the Samsung data, the Galaxy S line continuously outsells the Galaxy Note line once again showing that even for Samsung their bread and butter is in the 5 to 5.5 range rather than in the 5.5+ range. Galaxy S4 was the fastest to 10mil units for Samsung. It sold around 40 million units in the first 7 months since it's release, which more than note and note 2 combined (38 million units since their releases)
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Hits 10 Million Sales Mark: Latest Flagship Beats Sales Expectations In Just Two Months
    Last edited by borasar; 08-20-2014 at 09:45 AM.
    08-20-2014 08:40 AM
  11. jomarr's Avatar
    I used to think that a 6 inch device would be overkill but seriously when I held it, I was "wow" this thing doesn't feel as big as I imagined although at the gym I still have a hard time dealing with the phone. My cases haven't arrived yet. :(

    But I think 7 would be overkill. It would look ridiculous.
    08-20-2014 08:44 AM
  12. borasar's Avatar
    I cannot disagree with a whole lot of what you said.

    I was not arguing that big phones were selling like hotcakes. My main point was that I hate the kind of comment that goes along the lines of 'this is what I use and this is the sweet spot so forget your idea'. If big phones were not selling they would not be making them. The Note has gone through several iterations and they have not stopped production. There must be a reason. They are not in the business to lose money.

    There is no sweet spot because each person is different. So each of us has a sweet spot. Now, there may be more people with certain sweet spots which does not mean the other sweet spots are not profitable or will not be made or should be ignored.

    I'm done with the sweet spot talk, hehe. :P


    In my case, after a couple of weeks of using a Lumia 1520 I pick up a Lumia 920 and it feels tiny, really tiny.

    If someone wants a 7" phone and someone is willing to make it, hey, congrats and be happy with your device (as if to kind of contradict myself I don't see it happening :P).
    Agreed! I think we are on the same page here. I'm not saying there is no market for phones that are 5.5 inches and higher, but if I had to guess, especially given the rumours of what Apple will be releasing and just looking at Samsung Galaxy S vs Note, I'd say the majority of the market will end up in the 4.7-5.5 (4.7 just because the iPhone will sell regardless of whether we love it or hate it) range and Samsung will continue producing the Note line cause they will dominate the 5.5+ range.

    I can also totally see what you are saying about the going from a larger screen to a smaller screen. After my NL 920 I can't handle the iphone, it's way too small; however I still find the NL1520 too big to handle during calls or one handed or carrying around in my pockets or at the gym (it fits, but it takes up too much room).
    08-20-2014 08:48 AM
  13. Al4video's Avatar
    Why do you need somebody to show you stats? You could always use Google? Doesn't your Android allow that?
    I wouldn't call Android phones inherently laggy. But they start off without lag and once you use them for a while they start to become laggy.
    That has not been my experience with Windows phones.

    Anyway phablets are replacing tablets and it's hurting Best Buy.

    Best Buy CEO Says Tablet Sales Are “Crashing,” Sees Hope for PCs
    08-21-2014 09:42 AM
  14. ReprobusR's Avatar
    Why do you need somebody to show you stats? You could always use Google? Doesn't your Android allow that?
    I wouldn't call Android phones inherently laggy. But they start off without lag and once you use them for a while they start to become laggy.
    That has not been my experience with Windows phones.

    Anyway phablets are replacing tablets and it's hurting Best Buy.

    Best Buy CEO Says Tablet Sales Are €œCrashing,€ Sees Hope for PCs
    Tablets are Dead ! Apple tried, then failed, next is iPhone ! Apple will go back to pre-2000 era and Microsoft will boom once again !
    08-21-2014 06:05 PM
  15. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Tablets are Dead ! Apple tried, then failed, next is iPhone ! Apple will go back to pre-2000 era and Microsoft will boom once again !
    Tablets definitely aren't dead, with recent technology advancements like the Tegra K1, tablets will become even more popular.
    08-21-2014 06:29 PM
  16. Claudio La Rosa's Avatar
    Why dont you buy lenovo vibe z2 pro?
    It is a Win phone 8 device?
    08-22-2014 01:17 PM
  17. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    It is a Win phone 8 device?
    Nope... It's an Android.
    08-24-2014 08:03 PM
  18. ReprobusR's Avatar
    Tablets definitely aren't dead, with recent technology advancements like the Tegra K1, tablets will become even more popular.
    What market are tablets selling in ? Amazon Fire is a flunk, Staples is going under because tablet sales are in the red, that is not the only reason, but one of the reasons. Tegra K1 will be the top smart phone processor, followed by Qualcomm, until that time, Qualcomm and processors in smart phone such as none other then the 1520 will dominate. The 1520 is not a 'typical' phone, you can't get it on contract for one that leaves most people having to find a sweet deal at around $500 or pay retail price of nearly $800 prior to taxes for many. Windows Phone and iPhone have nearly identical market share, obviously Apple has a little more, not a whole lot more, with either phone you are expecting premium quality, premium design, although Apple is following some of Android models in the sense they are inexpensive quality design. One of the main reasons why Android has taken the smart phone market is one thing, and one thing only, the OS is open source, there are no licensing fees as with Microsoft, many Android users I've meet have admitted their phone stinks, some were even iPhone users and were not satisfied with iPhone, from simply downloading a song with iTunes to many other things.

    I've been a Windows users since Microsoft Windows 3.0, when Windows was in it's infancy, for me there was no second guess to go with a Windows Phone, and I'm sure most of you use Windows on a daily basis. I don't think a smart phone should be where your life exists, it is a mobile way to do your work, or follow up on your interests when your not at home, or else where. Windows Phone is a productivity phone, Microsoft has said they want to expand on this, there is no doubt they will, for the time being it is about productivity, and you can do alot with Windows Phone.

    One more thing, it has a sweet camera which I have yet to expand upon.
    08-24-2014 10:35 PM
  19. arjunan's Avatar
    Trust me 4.7 to 5 inches are what boost the sales, not huge 6 inch devices, the 6 inch devices are made for a special kind of people.

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    Sorry. But tell that to the Note family.
    09-29-2014 11:26 AM
  20. BaritoneGuy's Avatar
    Even the Note is still a niche device. I don't have access to the specific numbers however I bet that it is still a small percentage of overall Samsung sales.

    It will be interesting to see the effect of the iPhone 6 plus on the "phablet" market overall.

    Personally, I love my 1520. It is the best phone I have ever owned. I came from a Samsung ATIV S which had a decent sized screen itself.
    09-29-2014 05:10 PM
  21. michail71's Avatar
    Well, Apple seems to have changed the public's opinion on large phones. The iPhone 6+ doesn't look that small compared to a 1520.
    09-30-2014 03:16 PM
  22. ieiejdbx's Avatar
    ALL Windows phone apps really are no created for take advantage of the 6" display .________. and a lot more don't support 1080p displays, and you want 7" LOL
    10-14-2014 07:47 PM
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