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  1. Diego Ceccacci's Avatar
    Trick? So people change phone because no update and then they show it? Nice trick :D
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    08-26-2015 02:30 PM
  2. a5cent's Avatar
    Okay, lets get this straight...

    The reason you think the update won't be provided to the L1520 is due to this article on WCentral:

    Why you shouldn't worry if your phone is not on the official Windows 10 upgrade list | Windows Central

    The reason being that the L1520 is not listed as one of the devices that will "get the update".

    There is also the paragraph mentioning the L1520 as a device we should consider too old to be worth updating. It's not clear however whether that paragraph is just providing an example of why the L1520 may not be on that list, or if WCentral has definitive confirmation that it won't be updated. That last part is important because this is the original source for that list:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=bQ2hRWgp

    and on that page MS also states the following:

    While we're working hard to make Windows 10 available for other Lumia devices, the following is a first list of Lumia smartphones that will receive a free upgrade when available
    Clearly, this list is not telling us which devices will or will not be updated. It's only telling us for which devices MS will prepare W10M ROMs first. More will follow! It's entirely unclear how, based on that list, anyone can conclude which other devices will or will not officially receive W10M.

    I can't help but wonder if WCentral may have done a bit too much speculating here. I also wonder whether WCentral may have reported only from the U.S. perspective, where it is entirely possible that AT&T will not provide the W10M update for the L1520, whereas every other L1520 in the world will receive it (similar to how the Icon will not receive the W10M update, whereas the virtually identical L930 will).

    I don't think this story is at all settled. I think you're panicking faaaaaaar to soon. If nobody can provide more evidence of the L1520 not being updated to W10M, I'm tempted to call this premature and close the thread.
    Last edited by a5cent; 08-26-2015 at 08:27 PM. Reason: spelling
    08-26-2015 03:31 PM
  3. Blenyc's Avatar
    Okay, lets get this straight...

    The reason you think the update won't be provided to the L1520 is due to this article on WCentral:

    Why you shouldn't worry if your phone is not on the official Windows 10 upgrade list | Windows Central

    The reason being that the L1520 is not listed as one of the devices that will "get the update".

    There is also the paragraph mentioning the L1520 as a device we should consider too old to be worth updating. It's not clear however whether that paragraph is just providing an example of why the L1520 may not be on that list, or if WCentral has definitive confirmation that it won't be updated. That last part is important because this is the source of that list:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=0qiikamu

    and on that page MS also states the following:



    Clearly, this list is not telling us which devices will and which will not receive the update. It's only telling us for which devices MS will prepare W10M ROMs first. More will follow! It's entirely unclear how, based on that list, anyone can conclude which other devices will or will not officially receive W10M.

    I can't help but wonder if WCentral may have done a bit too much speculating here. I also wonder whether WCentral may have reported only from the U.S. perspective, where it is entirely possible that AT&T will not provide the W10M update for the L1520, whereas every other device in the world will receive it (similar to how the Icon will not receive the W10M update, whereas the virtually identical L930 will).

    I don't think this story is at all settled. I think you're panicking faaaaaaar to soon. If nobody can provide more evidence of the L1520 not being updated to W10M, I'm tempted to call this premature and close this thread.

    You cant really blame us for getting panicked.For me Windows Central is the most accurate site i know for Windows Phones i log in here 4-5 times per day-everyday.As i said on my first post that article sucks!!!(no offence).
    Makes you feel like a jackass for buying Microsofts most expensive cellphone and after 2 years what they offer you is an "amazing" chance to be their free-personal beta tester so they can make better updates for their other cheaper cellphones and not for yours.You also feel like a jackass for proposing it to other users in this thread http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ml#post3129283
    08-26-2015 04:04 PM
  4. jsooney's Avatar
    It is kind of screwy that my 1520 is about 18 months old and already EOL and not officially eligible for W10. We didn't even get GR2 on AT&T. I bought it when it was just out too.
    08-26-2015 04:21 PM
  5. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    What do you think about that? I like my 1520, but now i feel like they lied to us and im willing to sell it and buy an android. The fact they dont wanna update us officially is ridicoulus in my opinion, and why do that in the first place? Why am I enforced to use insider app? Didnt they want to unify windows ecosystem? They not gonna do that in that way
    I am not going to even bother to read any other part of this thread as it's not relevant to what I'm going to say. Whether or not it's been said, it cannot hurt to say it again in a different light and from a different perspective.
    The Nokia Lumia 1520, although a marvelous phone, is two years old. It's extremely difficult to obtain one, and the majority of carriers no longer buy it nor support it. Although Microsoft could quite easily update it hardware wise, there is no way for Microsoft to guarantee that your 1520 will get it at any point in time because of the nature of the device. It is at the end of its line, no matter how you look at it. No company can continue to update phones infinitely, and Microsoft cannot guarantee that your phone can be updated, so it will not put it on the official upgrade list. That is not to say it'll never show up on that list, but that it is not there now.
    There's always the Windows Insider program.
    08-26-2015 04:33 PM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    You cant really blame us for getting panicked.For me Windows Central is the most accurate site i know for Windows Phones i log in here 4-5 times per day-everyday.As i said on my first post that article sucks!!!(no offence).
    Makes you feel like a jackass for buying Microsofts most expensive cellphone and after 2 years what they offer you is an "amazing" chance to be their free-personal beta tester so they can make better updates for their other cheaper cellphones and not for yours.You also feel like a jackass for proposing it to other users in this thread http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ml#post3129283
    Agreed on all points. I'm not blaming you or anyone else. I'm just trying to provide a bit more of an analytical perspective, and explaining why this is not the time to panic.

    I also think WCentral is the best source for Windows smartphone information by far. That doesn't mean they can't ever slip up. I have utmost respect for Daniel Rubino, but even he is only human and he did say he wrote the article in a hurry. Maybe he's completely right and I'm totally wrong, but the article doesn't make that obvious. To me it sounds like he was wondering out loud why the L1520 may not be updated at all, when it would probably have made more sense to wonder only why the L1520 may not be amongst the first to be updated. That's all that list implies.

    That's my take anyway...

    I also completely disagree with the argument that the L1520 is too old to be worthy of an update. It was being sold by the OEM through almost all of last year. Many buyers won't view their L1520 as being anywhere close to two years old. IMHO that duration should be measured from the day the OEM stops selling the device, and not from the first day the device is available somewhere in the world. I don't want to debate that though.

    Anyway, if this thread doesn't stop with the speculation I will be shutting it down soon.
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    08-26-2015 04:48 PM
  7. Marko Marjanovic's Avatar
    Well..if we put aside that win 10 is not out yet nor we really know when they will relase it and that newer models gets update first because of marketing and $$ making (wich is tbh really ok. They live out of it) there is still one thing. Mcsf take time and relase good project. That's it. If you can't wait then don't; get insider and rock nd roll.
    08-26-2015 04:52 PM
  8. Blenyc's Avatar
    I am not going to even bother to read any other part of this thread as it's not relevant to what I'm going to say. Whether or not it's been said, it cannot hurt to say it again in a different light and from a different perspective.
    The Nokia Lumia 1520, although a marvelous phone, is two years old. It's extremely difficult to obtain one, and the majority of carriers no longer buy it nor support it. Although Microsoft could quite easily update it hardware wise, there is no way for Microsoft to guarantee that your 1520 will get it at any point in time because of the nature of the device. It is at the end of its line, no matter how you look at it. No company can continue to update phones infinitely, and Microsoft cannot guarantee that your phone can be updated, so it will not put it on the official upgrade list. That is not to say it'll never show up on that list, but that it is not there now.
    There's always the Windows Insider program.
    It's extremely difficult to obtain one, and the majority of carriers no longer buy it nor support it.
    Thats Microsofts fault they insulted from the NOKIA logo on top of it so they stop producing it.I know a lot of people who wanna buy it and they cant find it anywhere.I can always sell mine for the same price i got it.Thats how much people appreciate it.If carriers doesnt support it you can always get the unlocked version.

    No company can continue to update phones infinitely, and Microsoft cannot guarantee that your phone can be updated
    APPLE can and you hear this from a Microsoft/Android fan who hates APPLE till guts and yes i do believe that Microsoft is bigger than APPLE.I understand about the 4gbs phones not enough space and other limitations but cmon 1520 has e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g!!!!You cant blame the phone or anyone else except Microsoft.

    That is not to say it'll never show up on that list, but that it is not there now
    Time will tell brother.Hope a mod will delete the whole thread at October 31
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    08-26-2015 04:53 PM
  9. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Sounds like someone needs a Waa-burger and some French-cries.... Holy Jebus, some of you are ridiculous. GET OVER IT. The new devices will START getting the update in late q4 most likely. Considering how long it takes US carriers to release the updates, youd be looking at probably summer of 2016 before you'd get the update on a 1520. How old would the phone be then? Ya, get a new phone. Its not a manufacturers responsibility to pander to those that cant let go.
    08-26-2015 08:54 PM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    Actually the best source for WP information is Microsoft when they push the update button. Till then wincentral is talking out of its rear end.
    Kram Sacul likes this.
    08-26-2015 09:04 PM
  11. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    The OP is worried about the 1520???? Try my shoes Nokia Lumia 1020..... you will still get the update well before I would see it. Now add the fact I bought it outright from Rogers and Unlocked it to use another carrier. I will have to wait for Rogers to roll it before it ever comes.

    Am I worried.......No

    However there is also New Hardware on the way that will have more features that just an Updated phone will not have.

    Come on 940 or 950 XL or what ever number it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pen support !!!!!!!!!!!
    08-26-2015 09:10 PM
  12. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I can't help but wonder if WCentral may have done a bit too much speculating here. I also wonder whether WCentral may have reported only from the U.S. perspective, where it is entirely possible that AT&T will not provide the W10M update for the L1520, whereas every other L1520 in the world will receive it (similar to how the Icon will not receive the W10M update, whereas the virtually identical L930 will).
    There ^^^ is a smart man.

    I believe my 1520.3 will get the upgrade, probably near the end of wave 2. I believe the RM-940 will be left out thanks to the Death Star carrier.

    If the 930 can get the upgrade, so can the 1520. More 930s were sold and more recently so it goes first.
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    08-26-2015 09:41 PM
  13. mprebich's Avatar
    Okay, lets get this straight...

    The reason you think the update won't be provided to the L1520 is due to this article on WCentral:

    Why you shouldn't worry if your phone is not on the official Windows 10 upgrade list | Windows Central

    The reason being that the L1520 is not listed as one of the devices that will "get the update".

    There is also the paragraph mentioning the L1520 as a device we should consider too old to be worth updating. It's not clear however whether that paragraph is just providing an example of why the L1520 may not be on that list, or if WCentral has definitive confirmation that it won't be updated. That last part is important because this is the original source for that list:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=7sm74rHH

    and on that page MS also states the following:



    Clearly, this list is not telling us which devices will or will not be updated. It's only telling us for which devices MS will prepare W10M ROMs first. More will follow! It's entirely unclear how, based on that list, anyone can conclude which other devices will or will not officially receive W10M.

    I can't help but wonder if WCentral may have done a bit too much speculating here. I also wonder whether WCentral may have reported only from the U.S. perspective, where it is entirely possible that AT&T will not provide the W10M update for the L1520, whereas every other L1520 in the world will receive it (similar to how the Icon will not receive the W10M update, whereas the virtually identical L930 will).

    I don't think this story is at all settled. I think you're panicking faaaaaaar to soon. If nobody can provide more evidence of the L1520 not being updated to W10M, I'm tempted to call this premature and close the thread.
    Sorry, but trying to explain Microsoft's moves with Vulcan-like logic does not make sense.

    MS has always been poor in how they rollout products, even if much of the problem is purely bad communication more than actual implementation.

    That hasn't seemed to have changed now (regardless of how many articles WC write about Satya Nadella as a "mastermind").

    You can't not understand why someone is upset when they don't see their "flagship" phone on MS's official list of phones to be upgraded, especially without any explanation whatsoever. Very poor corporate communication. And to suggest that someone with a 2-year old phone maybe shouldn't expect anything anyway (WC), that is not the international model where we buy our phones outright. Regardless, even if we do not intend to use them longer, we do not expect them to be worthless and without resale after two years because they are not supported by the OS.

    In the end, everyone may end up with W10M, but right now MS is raising more questions than they are answering. All this, at a critical time for the entire WP ecosystem.
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    08-26-2015 10:43 PM
  14. yasfer21's Avatar
    Who confirmed that the Lumia 1520 will not receive the official update?
    08-27-2015 12:38 AM
  15. heickelrrx's Avatar
    Lumia 1520 is the one that used in demo.

    And now that devices isn't going to get the upgrade.

    Hmm interesting statment
    a5cent and Tom Snyder like this.
    08-27-2015 12:55 AM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    Sorry, but trying to explain Microsoft's moves with Vulcan-like logic does not make sense.
    Again, you misunderstand. I'm not explaining MS' moves (how could I without knowing what their moves are), nor am I excusing anyone for anything.

    I generally agree with your take on MS and their communication abilities but that's just not the point. I'm only trying to point out why some people's interpretation of a front page WCentral article may possibly be flawed. That's all.

    If you don't appreciate my efforts then that's fine. Please feel free to panic over the L1520 not being updated to W10M at anytime, just don't do it in this thread.
    Last edited by a5cent; 08-27-2015 at 09:25 AM. Reason: formatting
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    08-27-2015 01:52 AM
  17. mprebich's Avatar
    Again, you misunderstand. I'm not explaining MS' moves (how could I without knowing what their moves are), nor am I excusing anyone for anything.
    I'm only trying to point out why some people's interpretation of a front page WCentral article may possibly be flawed. That's all.

    I generally agree with your take on MS and their communication abilities but that's just not the point.
    If you don't appreciate my efforts then that's fine. Please feel free to panic over the L1520 not being updated to W10M at anytime, just don't do it in this thread.
    I think you misunderstand. No where did I say that I am panicking, nor that I even have a L1520. (In fact, in my signature you will see all my phones, versions and builds.).

    I was merely supporting someone who is obviously unhappy with recent developments and his phone not being officially supported by MS, as per their "eligible" list. And I agree that he has a legitimate gripe.

    You really should refrain from PARTIALLY quoting people as it takes things out of context.

    As you stated above, "I generally agree with your take on MS and their communication abilities but that's just not the point.". You are wrong. That is the entire point. The fact that so many people are confused about whether or not they get the W10M, when they get it, on what phones, etc., etc., is the cause of the post in the first place.

    I do appreciate your post as it tries to clarify WC's article and their staffs' comments on the articles which have confused and "upset" people.
    08-27-2015 02:15 AM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    As you stated above, "I generally agree with your take on MS and their communication abilities but that's just not the point.". You are wrong. That is the entire point.
    Then let's agree that it's your point, as it's certainly not mine. My post was about clarification. It was not about finding out who's to blame for potential misunderstandings. I think there is more than enough blame to go around, but I just don't care to discuss that. Can we move on?
    08-27-2015 03:17 AM
  19. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Thats Microsofts fault they insulted from the NOKIA logo on top of it so they stop producing it.I know a lot of people who wanna buy it and they cant find it anywhere.I can always sell mine for the same price i got it.Thats how much people appreciate it.If carriers doesnt support it you can always get the unlocked version.



    APPLE can and you hear this from a Microsoft/Android fan who hates APPLE till guts and yes i do believe that Microsoft is bigger than APPLE.I understand about the 4gbs phones not enough space and other limitations but cmon 1520 has e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g!!!!You cant blame the phone or anyone else except Microsoft.



    Time will tell brother.Hope a mod will delete the whole thread at October 31
    Apple can most definitely NOT update phones infinitely, and I have no idea where you're getting that information. The iPhone 4 has been abandoned software wise, and will no longer get updates. There's a very large chance that iOS 9 will never touch the iPhone 4s and maybe not even the iPhone 5.
    Yes, Apple typically updates phones LONGER but not infinitely. Besides, Apple only releases max two phones a year, and they are the only company that releases phones running iOS 9. Far less of a challenge.
    The Nokia Lumia 1520 is two years old. Yes there's still a market for it but the market isn't nearly enough for Microsoft to continue producing a two year old phone made by a different company. There's still a market for the Note 3 but Samsung isn't exactly rushing to build Note 3's, are they? That's a two year old phone.
    Be grateful you even have a way to get Windows 10 Mobile and stop whining that your two year old phone isn't getting official support anymore, which is absolutely ridiculous. You'd never be saying that if you had a two year old Android, because almost NONE of them get supported that long or when they do it's months after the update is released.
    08-27-2015 06:38 AM
  20. michail71's Avatar
    I wouldn't mind too much. It would give people a choice as to upgrade or not. As of now there are compelling reasons one might wish to stay on 8.1.
    08-27-2015 06:44 AM
  21. Bobvfr's Avatar
    So it was a marketing trick that all phones will get windows 10 with an asterisk * says somewhere (BETA version) and microsoft looses all their WP customers.

    Either this or Microsoft is playing the old classic hate/love dirty trick "No other phones are gonna update" people rage start calling names getting ready to quit and all of sudden they release an official update for all phones that wasnt in the list making people again happy and praise Microsoft that didnt forget them with an outdated OS and everything once again is fixed.

    The only thing im sure is that theres a trick around the corner.
    Some marketing trick, I got my 1520 18 months ago, then a few months ago they came out with the "All phones" statement, and as it happens I already have W10 on my 1520.

    I suppose it actually put me off buying one of the new phones coming out soon, MS kings of marketing, or your statement just doesn't make sense.

    Maybe no one noticed just how well the 1520 has sold in the last few months.
    08-27-2015 07:37 AM
  22. colinkiama's Avatar
    Guys the 1520 is getting the update, it's just not getting it in the first wave. It's just like how windows 10 for PC was delivered, in waves. 1520 users will just have to wait longer.
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    08-27-2015 08:00 AM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    Apple can most definitely NOT update phones infinitely, and I have no idea where you're getting that information. The iPhone 4 has been abandoned software wise, and will no longer get updates. There's a very large chance that iOS 9 will never touch the iPhone 4s and maybe not even the iPhone 5.
    Yes, Apple typically updates phones LONGER but not infinitely. Besides, Apple only releases max two phones a year, and they are the only company that releases phones running iOS 9. Far less of a challenge.
    Apple's update policy is very simple and consistent. They update 3 year old devices, but not 4 year old devices. For example, in 2014 when iOS 8 was released, the iPhone 6/6+ (new model), 5s, 5, and 4s (released in 2011) received the update. The iPhone 4 did not get iOS 8, but it had gotten iOS 7 the previous year.

    I haven't heard officially, but I guarantee you that the 4s will not get iOS 9, but the iPhone 5 (released in 2012) and later will. Their devices also receive the more minor updates during the year, even in the 4th year. Support stops at the time of the major version update at the 4 year point.

    In a nutshell, Apple updates devices up to the 4 year point, at which time no smartphone is very viable anyway. Apple is the model that every OS provider/manufacturer/carrier should follow. It might not be perfect, but it is the closest to perfect we've ever seen.
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    08-27-2015 08:01 AM
  24. Blacklac's Avatar
    This only matters if there's a big firmware update pushed with it.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    08-27-2015 08:27 AM
  25. Rooks308's Avatar
    It would be a shame if they didn't offer the update to the 1520, but I am confident that they will. At least in the mean time you have the Windows Insider program which I think is great actually.
    08-27-2015 09:30 AM
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