03-30-2015 08:16 AM
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  1. dmusicant's Avatar
    Windows update and backup/restore are unrelated.
    Whatever updated related to OS/Firmware you do will still remain in the phone even if you reset the phone.

    I also don't know why your phone didn't offer to restore if you used the same credentials.

    Do as follow.

    1. Let if finish updating.
    2. You said you had already backed up music/videos/files to pc ( So let it be there).
    3. go to storage sense press on the sd card scroll down and you will see format option.
    4. after formatting is done, reset your phone. (dont worry the 8.1 will still be there)
    5. start fresh.(this is entirely your choice/you can also go back to the july 2014 backup) (use only one account).
    6. If you remember the apps you can just head to the store and queue it one by one.
    I would definitely go back to the July 2014 backup because it knows that I had at least those apps. If I start fresh I'd have to add them one by one and AFAIK it wouldn't know that I bought ~3 apps (or maybe it would, I don't know).

    I do remember the apps because I have them listed (see post above with the list, some ~160 apps).

    What's the advantage of formatting the card in the phone? You did explain that a bit but I didn't understand.

    I presume that you also mean that after doing all this I should copy all the data on the PC back to the card. Do I want to copy all that stuff or just my music, videos and photos? There's a \WPSystem folder too. Do I want to copy that back too?
    03-24-2015 03:35 PM
  2. Daniel Gilbert M's Avatar
    Formatting the card in the phone is safe (the file systems and hidden folder structures generated will be safe)

    After doing his .. just copy music videos and photos and other documents ...
    no need to copy the \WPSystem folder
    03-24-2015 03:43 PM
  3. dmusicant's Avatar
    Formatting the card in the phone is safe (the file systems and hidden folder structures generated will be safe)

    After doing his .. just copy music videos and photos and other documents ...
    no need to copy the \WPSystem folder
    What is the object in doing it this way instead of how it is now?
    03-25-2015 08:35 AM
  4. Daniel Gilbert M's Avatar
    What is the object in doing it this way instead of how it is now?
    Its the 'clean' way
    03-25-2015 08:59 AM
  5. dmusicant's Avatar
    Coming back to this...

    I logged into my Microsoft Account from a PC and saw two backups. They were dated 03/24/2015 and 03/26/2015. Now, the second has to have been an automatic backup done from the new phone. the former could have been either. So, I deleted both, figuring I could make another backup from the original phone (that has the bad USB connector), and then restore that to the new phone after resetting it. So, I delete the backups, reinsert the SIM and SD card in the original phone (don't know that this is necessary, but figure I might as well). I did a Backup Now, it went to completion but at the end it said there was a problem and I should "try again later." I ran it again and it seemed to hang up at 19% (sat there for ~5 minutes), so I cancelled and started a new Backup Now after shutting down the phone. It too seemed to hang up at 19% but about 10 minutes later it proceeded, then seemed to hang up at 97%. That finally completed. Now I'm going to verify from a PC that the backup is there, and if so, reset the new phone and then restore... hopefully the phone will find it!
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    03-27-2015 10:39 AM
  6. dmusicant's Avatar
    Windows update and backup/restore are unrelated.
    Whatever updated related to OS/Firmware you do will still remain in the phone even if you reset the phone.

    I also don't know why your phone didn't offer to restore if you used the same credentials.

    Do as follow.

    1. Let if finish updating.
    2. You said you had already backed up music/videos/files to pc ( So let it be there).
    3. go to storage sense press on the sd card scroll down and you will see format option.
    4. after formatting is done, reset your phone. (dont worry the 8.1 will still be there)
    5. start fresh.(this is entirely your choice/you can also go back to the july 2014 backup) (use only one account).
    6. If you remember the apps you can just head to the store and queue it one by one.
    Here's my plan:

    I did another backup from my old phone (with SIM and SD card in there, presumably basically unchanged as of yet), yesterday. I then did a backup of the new phone today. So, when I go to Onedrive I see both backups, 3/27 and 3/28.

    I plan to do as you say, format the SD card (which is backed up to HD) in the new phone, then reset the new phone and restore from the 3/27 backup (hopefully, presumably, I'll be offered both the 3/27 and 3/28 backups from which I can restore after resetting the phone. The 3/27 should be the old phone as it was just recently, with all my apps and recent, etc. app data.

    Will see how this goes. If something goes wrong I can presumably restore from the 3/28 backup of the new phone prior to today's reset.

    I could just use it as it is now, it's got most of my apps, but I'll try this, should presumably get all my apps and recent data and have the advantage of a cleanly formatted SD card.

    Thank you Daniel and Harrie for helping me here. I'll post back the results of today's activity.
    03-28-2015 12:51 PM
  7. dmusicant's Avatar
    So far so good, everything seems to have gone as planned. Now, I'm asked if I want to use the reformatted SD card for storage, etc., and I said yes. I will copy the data back to the card. Don't know if I should do this with the phone on or not. I think I'll shut it off now, put the card in a card reader and do it that way. Not sure what's best, probably doesn't matter, but figure this might be safer.

    One of the best things about doing it like this is that I get my startup screen the way it was with all my tiles.

    I'm copying everything but the \WPSystem directory to the card via card reader.
    Last edited by dmusicant; 03-28-2015 at 02:18 PM.
    03-28-2015 01:38 PM
  8. Daniel Gilbert M's Avatar
    So far so good, everything seems to have gone as planned. Now, I'm asked if I want to use the reformatted SD card for storage, etc., and I said yes. I will copy the data back to the card. Don't know if I should do this with the phone on or not. I think I'll shut it off now, put the card in a card reader and do it that way. Not sure what's best, probably doesn't matter, but figure this might be safer.

    One of the best things about doing it like this is that I get my startup screen the way it was with all my tiles.

    I'm copying everything but the \WPSystem directory to the card via card reader.
    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    USE THE USB CABLE ...... ( IT IS THE BEST OPTION !!! )
    DO NOT PULLOUT YOUR CARD AND PUT IT IN ANOTHER DEVICE/READER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    03-29-2015 01:42 AM
  9. dmusicant's Avatar
    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    USE THE USB CABLE ...... ( IT IS THE BEST OPTION !!! )
    DO NOT PULLOUT YOUR CARD AND PUT IT IN ANOTHER DEVICE/READER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Too late, you didn't say that before. I told you I need step by step, I don't have the gotchas internally.
    Formatting the card in the phone is safe (the file systems and hidden folder structures generated will be safe)

    After doing his .. just copy music videos and photos and other documents ...
    no need to copy the \WPSystem folder
    Now, I have to do it all over again...
    - - - -
    ...uh, why does it matter?

    Should I also use the USB of phone when copying large amounts of data to the card? I sometimes copy ~20GB (for instance) of MP3s to the SD card. I used a card reader for this in the past because the USB connection of the phone was terribly unreliable if not unusable.
    - - - -
    Resetting phone again right now, concomitantly erasing the SD card. The backup is still there, I can restore it no sweat.
    Last edited by dmusicant; 03-29-2015 at 07:13 AM.
    03-29-2015 06:55 AM
  10. Daniel Gilbert M's Avatar
    ummm you see the process of repeated removal of sd card from the slot, may damage the slot...
    you may accidentally get some hidden files/folders deleted. (using the sd card from cardreader gives more access.

    you can do the transfer (be it any size) through the usb cable.
    just to be safe :)

    Thats why you are given a usb cable.

    If your usb cable is unreliable use an ftp server like software if you have a wifi router at place.

    repeated removal of sd card from slot is not advisable....

    the contacts may get worn out and the slot will be ruined.
    03-29-2015 07:05 AM
  11. dmusicant's Avatar
    Damn! Now the 3/27 backup isn't there!!!!!!!!! I see the 3/28 made with the new phone, one from July 13, 2014 (which I couldn't see yesterday for some reason, ugh), and another one from 3/28, which must have been created automatically. Now I have to put the card back in the old phone (with SIM, I suppose) and do another backup... This is pretty nutty.
    03-29-2015 07:25 AM
  12. dmusicant's Avatar
    I made another backup of the old phone, reset the new phone after formatting the SD card (opting to "Erase" the SD card at the same time), restored from the backup and then initiated a copy/paste of all the folders on the backup of the SD card except for the \WPSystem folder and went to bed. In the morning my PC said that the Sample Pictures couldn't be copied and I could Skip or Cancel. I skipped and then it said that some other pictures couldn't be copied. The net result is that only some photos were copied and no music, no videos, documents, etc. I guess I could try it this way again, but am tempted to just put the card a card reader and restore the files that way. The OS seems to be able to find them OK and deal with them, I've done this before. Whether it does it right, I don't know.

    I am trying to copying through the phone's USB connection again. This time I'm monitoring how things go, last night I just started the process and went to bed...
    03-30-2015 08:16 AM
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