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  1. Furballi's Avatar
    I wonder if it possible to spoof the 521 (using same method for getting pro cam etc) into a 520 and update display+touch wonder if that would work. Not going to try it, just a thought.

    RM-915 VAR US ATT PAYG SL
    I may give that a try. Off-topic question...If I backed up app list + settings to the cloud, then I how do I go about in restoring this data after a full system restore? Which parameters are not restored under this process?

    TIA
    08-18-2013 09:33 AM
  2. Furballi's Avatar
    I wonder if it possible to spoof the 521 (using same method for getting pro cam etc) into a 520 and update display+touch wonder if that would work. Not going to try it, just a thought.

    RM-915 VAR US ATT PAYG SL
    I may give that a try. Off-topic question...If I backed up app list + settings to the cloud, then I how do I go about in restoring this data after a full system restore? Which parameters are not restored under this process?

    TIA
    08-18-2013 09:47 AM
  3. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    I may give that a try. Off-topic question...If I backed up app list + settings to the cloud, then I how do I go about in restoring this data after a full system restore? Which parameters are not restored under this process?

    TIA
    I actually tried, but i didn't have the PAYG SL part, so that may of made all the difference. haven't tried it with the one CorePC listed.

    And when you first set up your phone, you sign into your Microsoft account and it will ask you if you would like to do a clean setup or a restore. Be warned that you must have a (decent) data connection, since Windows Phone, oddly, does not ask for a wifi access point during setup, and the restore has a potential to fail (if not at least take forever) on 2G.

    What App List+Settings backs up is your device settings (theme, voice settings, basically most of the stuff listed in the settings app, minus those that are installed via Nokia apps {Access Point, Accessories, Display+Touch, etc...}), and the list of apps installed. Be warned, though, that the App List backup, upon restore, initiates a redownload through the Windows Store, so any apps that were taken down and are no longer published will not be restored. Also note that start screen arrangement is not backed up.
    08-18-2013 02:22 PM
  4. Furballi's Avatar
    I actually tried, but i didn't have the PAYG SL part, so that may of made all the difference. haven't tried it with the one CorePC listed.

    And when you first set up your phone, you sign into your Microsoft account and it will ask you if you would like to do a clean setup or a restore. Be warned that you must have a (decent) data connection, since Windows Phone, oddly, does not ask for a wifi access point during setup, and the restore has a potential to fail (if not at least take forever) on 2G.

    What App List+Settings backs up is your device settings (theme, voice settings, basically most of the stuff listed in the settings app, minus those that are installed via Nokia apps {Access Point, Accessories, Display+Touch, etc...}), and the list of apps installed. Be warned, though, that the App List backup, upon restore, initiates a redownload through the Windows Store, so any apps that were taken down and are no longer published will not be restored. Also note that start screen arrangement is not backed up.
    Great info. Thank you!
    08-18-2013 06:13 PM
  5. MsBuzzman's Avatar
    Pretty disappointed this is not working. I have it on my Gnex and love that feature. It's an app that makes it work for that phone. Hopefully they figure it out for out 521s.
    08-19-2013 12:32 PM
  6. BrandonCormier's Avatar
    08-19-2013 12:44 PM
  7. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    I found this over at All About Windows Phone:

    What's new in the GDR2 and Lumia Amber Windows Phone updates?

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    Based on the 520 having "Some" for Double-tap-to-wake, Im starting to have a feeling my silly idea of ATT requesting double-tap &/or requesting it be kept from the 521 may of not been as silly as it appeared. Does anyone know if any non-ATT 520's got Double-Tap-To-Wake?
    08-19-2013 02:35 PM
  8. Oakdale Dude's Avatar
    Based on the 520 having "Some" for Double-tap-to-wake, Im starting to have a feeling my silly idea of ATT requesting double-tap &/or requesting it be kept from the 521 may of not been as silly as it appeared. Does anyone know if any non-ATT 520's got Double-Tap-To-Wake?
    Probably never get a straight answer from AT&T, T-Mo and especially Nokia on this one.

    If it's true, what would be the point of denying 521 owners from this feature? It's a nice little gimmick feature but it's not as though it gives the 520 some sort of performance superiority over the 521 lol
    08-19-2013 03:37 PM
  9. mogelijk's Avatar
    I don't put a lot of stock in that chart. The problem is, other than the AT&T 520, I don't believe GDR2/Amber has been released for any other 520s. They originally claimed that no 520s would have the double tap option, despite the fact the feature was already being shipped on the AT&T 520s that had GDR2 preinstalled. It looks like they merely updated the chart based on the fact that the 520s that currently have the update (AT&T 520s) all have the double tap to wake, since that was making them look foolish, and they aren't yet ready concede their information was wrong.

    I think we need to wait for the updates for 520s to be officially be released. My personal guess is that all the 520s will have the feature. It just doesn't make sense that only AT&T 520s would have the double tap feature, out of all the 520s in the world, particularly if they were simply getting it because T-Mobile has WiFi calling on the 521.
    08-19-2013 04:10 PM
  10. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    I don't put a lot of stock in that chart. The problem is, other than the AT&T 520, I don't believe GDR2/Amber has been released for any other 520s. They originally claimed that no 520s would have the double tap option, despite the fact the feature was already being shipped on the AT&T 520s that had GDR2 preinstalled. It looks like they merely updated the chart based on the fact that the 520s that currently have the update (AT&T 520s) all have the double tap to wake, since that was making them look foolish, and they aren't yet ready concede their information was wrong.

    I think we need to wait for the updates for 520s to be officially be released. My personal guess is that all the 520s will have the feature. It just doesn't make sense that only AT&T 520s would have the double tap feature, out of all the 520s in the world, particularly if they were simply getting it because T-Mobile has WiFi calling on the 521.
    At first glance, it doesnt make sense, but if you think about (or at least if i think about it) alot of people were intrigued about the wifi calling and used it in weighing which phone to get. Att could of, if not blocked it, requested the feature be added (as in neither the 520 or 521 would have it, but ATT requested the feature for their model.), in a way to attract customers.

    However, as you stated, we wont know till GDr2 is sent to the rest of the world's 520.
    08-19-2013 05:37 PM
  11. Furballi's Avatar
    The tap to wake function is indeed available on the AT&T Nokia 520. It is located under SYSTEM/DISPLAY+TOUCH/TOUCH. One can check/un-check DOUBLE TAP TO WAKE UP PHONE. This feature eliminates the need to press the POWER button to show the lock screen.
    08-19-2013 07:51 PM
  12. Furballi's Avatar
    At first glance, it doesnt make sense, but if you think about (or at least if i think about it) alot of people were intrigued about the wifi calling and used it in weighing which phone to get. Att could of, if not blocked it, requested the feature be added (as in neither the 520 or 521 would have it, but ATT requested the feature for their model.), in a way to attract customers.

    However, as you stated, we wont know till GDr2 is sent to the rest of the world's 520.
    Has any Member attempted to boot an unlocked Nokia 521 using an active AT&T SIM? If the AT&T network is responsible for activating the double-tap-to-wake function, then perhaps the 521 will also show the DOUBLE TAP TO WAKE UP PHONE option under TOUCH with this technique. One may need to do a full format/restore of the 521 using an AT&T SIM then apply the latest 521 patches to enable double tap functionality.
    08-19-2013 08:26 PM
  13. Corepc's Avatar
    Do not think that would work, updates from Nokia are checked by the product code from your phone and firmware itself and what rom you have has well.

    May be able to spoof it with fiddler...still have not tried this myself can't no WiFi at home.

    And still have not heard from Nokia yet.
    Last edited by Corepc; 08-19-2013 at 09:06 PM.
    08-19-2013 08:53 PM
  14. mogelijk's Avatar
    At first glance, it doesnt make sense, but if you think about (or at least if i think about it) alot of people were intrigued about the wifi calling and used it in weighing which phone to get. Att could of, if not blocked it, requested the feature be added (as in neither the 520 or 521 would have it, but ATT requested the feature for their model.), in a way to attract customers.

    However, as you stated, we wont know till GDr2 is sent to the rest of the world's 520.
    Except the phone has little to do with WiFi calling, it is the network that needs to be properly set up to use WiFi calling. Remember Gen3 Wifi calling, which is what T-Mobile is using, requires no special hardware, unlike their Gen1 UMA WiFi calling. Nokia really has nothing to do with T-Mobile's WiFi calling. Additionally, from what we've seen from photos of the mainboards of the 520 and the 521, there seems to be no difference in actual hardware other than an extra light sensor below the camera on the 521 (which would do nothing for WiFi calling).
    08-20-2013 12:23 AM
  15. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    Except the phone has little to do with WiFi calling, it is the network that needs to be properly set up to use WiFi calling. Remember Gen3 Wifi calling, which is what T-Mobile is using, requires no special hardware, unlike their Gen1 UMA WiFi calling. Nokia really has nothing to do with T-Mobile's WiFi calling. Additionally, from what we've seen from photos of the mainboards of the 520 and the 521, there seems to be no difference in actual hardware other than an extra light sensor below the camera on the 521 (which would do nothing for WiFi calling).
    You seem to be missing my point. Nokia may of planned to leave double tap to wake off the 520 (it was meant to be used in conjunction with glance after all; notice on the chart, with exception to the 520, every device with double tap has glance). Hardware being relatively the same put aside, ATT seeing some people use the wifi calling on the 521 as a weighing factor in choosing a phone, may of requested that nokia add double tap to their 520 as to give it a feature that could potentially get buyers to chose their 520 over tmobile's 521.

    To simplify: ATT, in my theory, made a marketing decision by having double tap included in their 520, as a way to try to lure people away from the 521. If they can argue you wont need wifi calling with their coverage and that you can power on the phone without pressing power, they could get people to pick the 520 over the 521 (which is selling like hotcakes).
    08-20-2013 05:31 PM
  16. Furballi's Avatar
    There is ample evidence that the 520 and 521 are capable of supporting the double-tap-to-wake function. We can only speculate as to why only those AT&T 520s with GDR2 and amber were shipped with the double-tap-to-wake function enabled. The best way to get Nokia to add this function to the 521 is to call T Mobile and rack up the complaints. The lack of this function makes the 521 inferior to the 520 because it places much greater wear and tear at the ON/OFF button, and gives AT&T an unfair competitive advantage, even though the 521 is fully capable of supporting tap-to-wake. We need to use the weight of T Mobile to put pressure on Nokia to fix this problem, even if this requires the threat of leaving T Mobile.
    08-20-2013 07:48 PM
  17. In Limbo's Avatar
    How now brown cow.
    08-20-2013 07:56 PM
  18. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    There is ample evidence that the 520 and 521 are capable of supporting the double-tap-to-wake function. We can only speculate as to why only those AT&T 520s with GDR2 and amber were shipped with the double-tap-to-wake function enabled. The best way to get Nokia to add this function to the 521 is to call T Mobile and rack up the complaints. The lack of this function makes the 521 inferior to the 520 because it places much greater wear and tear at the ON/OFF button, and gives AT&T an unfair competitive advantage, even though the 521 is fully capable of supporting tap-to-wake. We need to use the weight of T Mobile to put pressure on Nokia to fix this problem, even if this requires the threat of leaving T Mobile.
    Wooooah there. Id think thatd be counter intuitive. I think it would be possible the complaints to tmobile, costing them money, for something they can request, but do not control, could cause them to become less supportive of Nokia devices.

    You should actually contact NOKIA, not Tmo. They are the ones that decide which device supports what. However, like i said, it was probably a marketing decision from att (whos buddy buddy with Nokia atm and gets exclusivity here in the us), seeing as double tap im pretty sure was supposed to work with glance, and not be separate, and the chart shows that only the 520 got double tap w/o glance, and only "some" 520's got it at that.
    08-20-2013 08:20 PM
  19. Furballi's Avatar
    AT&T Nokia 520 with GDR2 and amber update with double-tap-to wake function:

    OS Version: 8.0.10327.77
    Firmware: 3043.0000.1324.0001
    Hardware revision: 1.0.0.0
    Radio software: 2.0.242017.8
    Chip SOC: 8227



    T Mobile Nokia 521 with GDR2 and amber update without double-tap-to wake function:

    OS Version: 8.0.10328.78
    Firmware: 3046.0000.1328.2024
    Hardware revision: 1.0.0.0
    Radio software: 2.0.242019.8
    Chip SOC: 8227


    The Nokia 520 comes with the original hardware revision 1.0.0.0, yet it is capable of supporting the double-tap-to-wake function because of GDR2 and amber. The 521 with GDR2 and amber does not include the option to double-tap-to-wake, even with the newer OS Version and Radio Software. Both phones appear to have the same chip SOC.
    08-22-2013 02:25 PM
  20. Corepc's Avatar
    Nokia Called me back, said that they where escalating once again. Gave me 3 possible reasons ?

    Feature Is Not Supported 521 for Battery Reason's (Drain which I could see has a issue)
    or
    T-Mobile just did not included the feature. <- Ask T-Mobile here First
    or
    We could see Display+Touch Update to turn feature on

    That was the answer's they gave me. Supposed to Call me Back, but, at least they called me. Probably Next Week when I hear back from them again.

    So Please Talk Away..
    08-22-2013 02:30 PM
  21. MsBuzzman's Avatar
    Just went on chat and here is what I got on this subject-

    T-Mobile: We have received your information and will connect you with a T-Mobile Chat Specialist soon.
    Callum M: Hi Kathy, welcome to T-Mobile. My name is Callum and I will be happy to assist you regarding the Nokia Lumia phone model.
    You: Hello. and thank you. will the lumia 521 get double tap to wake?
    Callum M: Thank you! Let me just go ahead and check on my resources. I will return very shortly.
    You: k....
    Callum M: I appreciate you for waiting Kathy.
    You: no prob
    Callum M: Upon checking here on my resources, we currently do not have the double tap feature yet for the Nokia Lumia 521.
    You: Yes- I know. Will we get it in an update?
    Callum M: As of this time, we currently do not have any specific details yet on when an update will be provided to get the double tap feature. I will bring this up to have more specific details available in the future.
    You: Thanks Callum.
    Callum M: For the mean time, I strongly suggest to check our website once in a while to see any updates or news regarding this.
    Callum M: Always a pleasure Kathy and thank you as well for taking time to check in.
    Callum M: Rest assured that I will bring this topic for more details in the future.
    Callum M: Do you have any other questions or concerns that I can assist you with Kathy?
    You: Thank you very much. I have this feature on my galaxy nexus and it's really nice and convenient. It's an app for that phone though.
    You: Nothing else. Thank you for your time. :)
    Callum M: You are most welcome and I understand that its a really cool and helpful feature to have on the phone.
    Callum M: I will certainly have this discussed with our superiors and see when we can have the update available.
    You: :)
    You: Thank again!
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    08-22-2013 03:00 PM
  22. Furballi's Avatar
    1. Battery drain...tap to wake feature can be defeated in the menu, so this is not a legitimate claim.

    2. Not sure why T Mobile did not want to include this option since it doens't cost any more money. Tap to wake would only enhance the useability of the 521. Again, not a legitimate claim. I spoke to several Level II technicians at T Mobile and they all were sceptical of the claim that T Mobile would disable this feature for whatever reason.

    3. With enough pressure from the end users and T Mobile, there is a good chance that Nokia will cave in with another patch to enable tap-to-wake.
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    08-22-2013 05:41 PM
  23. nicesty29's Avatar
    I actually contacted Nokia care Chat and was told the following information (I was also curious to know why this feature did not work) all other features worked after Amber update

    Green light for Lumia Amber – Nokia Conversations : the official Nokia blog

    Due to hardware restrictions:

    FM radio will not be available for Nokia Lumia 620, 810 and 928.
    Nokia Glance will not be available for Nokia Lumia 520, 521 and 625.
    Double Tap to awake will not be available for Nokia Lumia 520, 521, 620, 625 and 720, as it was dropped out last minute. Reason was found the user experience to be very bad (the touch sensitivity).
    Bluetooth v4.0 Low Energy (LE) technology will not be available for Nokia Lumia 925, 920 and 820.
    Nokia Smart Camera will be available to all but the resolution and number of captured frames will be lowered in Nokia Lumia 520, 620 and 720 to ensure the overall experience remains excellent
    08-29-2013 01:11 PM
  24. nicesty29's Avatar
    Thanks for contacting T-Mobile that just happens to be my carrier as well so here goes the conversation on the issue from Nokia
    Due to hardware restrictions:
    •FM radio will not be available for Nokia Lumia 620, 810 and 928.
    •Nokia Glance will not be available for Nokia Lumia 520, 521 and 625.
    •Double Tap to awake will not be available for Nokia Lumia 520, 521, 620, 625 and 720, as it was dropped out last minute. Reason was found the user experience to be very bad (the touch sensitivity).
    •Bluetooth v4.0 Low Energy (LE) technology will not be available for Nokia Lumia 925, 920 and 820.
    •Nokia Smart Camera will be available to all – but the resolution and number of captured frames will be lowered in Nokia Lumia 520, 620 and 720 to ensure the overall experience remains excellent

    for more on the update to Amber visit Green light for Lumia Amber – Nokia Conversations : the official Nokia blog
    08-29-2013 01:15 PM
  25. Dustin Hodges's Avatar
    Thanks for contacting T-Mobile that just happens to be my carrier as well so here goes the conversation on the issue from Nokia
    Due to hardware restrictions:
    •FM radio will not be available for Nokia Lumia 620, 810 and 928.
    •Nokia Glance will not be available for Nokia Lumia 520, 521 and 625.
    •Double Tap to awake will not be available for Nokia Lumia 520, 521, 620, 625 and 720, as it was dropped out last minute. Reason was found the user experience to be very bad (the touch sensitivity).
    •Bluetooth v4.0 Low Energy (LE) technology will not be available for Nokia Lumia 925, 920 and 820.
    •Nokia Smart Camera will be available to all – but the resolution and number of captured frames will be lowered in Nokia Lumia 520, 620 and 720 to ensure the overall experience remains excellent

    for more on the update to Amber visit Green light for Lumia Amber – Nokia Conversations : the official Nokia blog
    That's just it. Compared to you're list, the 520 supposedly HAS double tap to wake, or more specifically, the ATT model.

    I still think ATT requested the feature. That theory suits the facts. Especially with Nokia (sadly) being all buddy-buddy with ATT.
    08-29-2013 04:00 PM
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