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  1. Dr_8820's Avatar
    Mine has been sitting in the UPS warehouse since Wednesday, and I'm going to return it. The phone I'm typing on now, the HD7, can be upgraded to 64Gb...I'm going to stick with it because 8GB for just apps is a deal breaker.
    11-25-2012 10:10 PM
  2. intoxicated662's Avatar
    Mine has been sitting in the UPS warehouse since Wednesday, and I'm going to return it. The phone I'm typing on now, the HD7, can be upgraded to 64Gb...I'm going to stick with it because 8GB for just apps is a deal breaker.
    Word of advice, stay with what you currently have or had before. If memory/storage isn't a big issue for you then get a WP8. I don't see how Nokia let this slip and happen, it is unacceptable. It makes no sense and I regret my purchase now. I deleted all of the Apps that the phone came with it and I was still on low storage space. I had to uninstall all 37 of my WP games to get 4gb back that defeats the purpose of having a new, upgraded phone.
    11-25-2012 10:29 PM
  3. Wyn6's Avatar
    I just uninstalled all of my Windows Phone games and got back 4gb but I lost out on about 37 games I paid for. So then, i'll have to limit myself as to what games I can install and play at a time. I feel like i'm back in the 90's and took a step back. Just going to sell the phone and try to recoup what I spent & stay with my older WP7. It now states:music+videos=0 mbpictures=2.21 mbapps=42.45 mbother=1.32 gbsystem=1.90 gbfree space=4.14 gb
    Guys, forgive me. But, I don't understand your grievances here. Did you not research the phone prior to purchasing it? For me the decision came down to 8X vs 810. I researched both thoroughly and decided on the 810. I was well aware that it only had 8GB of internal storage which is less than both the 8X and my Venue Pro.My DVP has over 8GB of apps/games currently installed and I knew that I wouldn't be able to install them all onto the 810 as apps/games can only be installed to internal memory and not an SD card. I made the decision that I could live with that. Otherwise, I would've chosen the 8X.If you did research the phone prior to purchasing, what's your complaint? The information that the SD card could only store music, videos, and documents has been out. Which means, if you had more than 7.5GB worth of apps/games you wanted on your phone, this wasn't the phone for you.To have researched the phone's capabilities, purchase the phone and then complain about those same capabilities seems irrational to me. And, to have not researched the capabilities, or lack thereof, of the phone, purchase it and then complain about its lack of capabilities also seems irrational. I'm just trying to understand here. You all clearly made a decision of your own volition, yet somehow this is Nokia's fault? That's like needing to have a vehicle with a large trunk/boot and then deciding to go out and purchase a roadster then getting mad because it can only accommodate one bag.
    11-26-2012 02:34 AM
  4. Dr_8820's Avatar
    I don't understand you thinking someone blamed Nokia. No, I did not know you can only use the internal storage for just apps, and yes, I'm returning it....question?
    11-26-2012 03:20 AM
  5. The_All_Blacks's Avatar
    I don't see any issue returning. It's just not the device for you and that's your right as a consumer.
    11-26-2012 06:48 AM
  6. intoxicated662's Avatar
    Prior to purchasing it, since it was new all the reviews I saw failed to mention the limited storage capacity and how you cannot install Apps to the Micro SD Card which makes it useless and just a basic phone. Lots of people like myself were looking to upgrade, not downgrade. I still see lots of reviews going around, but no one is mentioning the lack of space and I only noticed it now on a random site I found through google where a person who commented stated that you really only have about 4gb left after the OS installs fresh and all. My Samsung Focus lets me use a Micro SD Card and allocate space in total overall, thus letting me install Apps to the Micro SD Card. Which part of that didn't you get? Nokia took a step backwards. Nowhere on the Nokia website nor T-Mobile website state you are that limited to space and that you cannot save/install Apps to a micro sd card and what not. If anything, I feel like the phone now is more of a (photo) digital camera.
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    11-26-2012 08:23 AM
  7. Clancynobi's Avatar
    I went from the 8GB DVP to the 810 so it was an upgrade for me, I use the Micro SD for Music which is exactly what the expectation was when I bought the phone. When I do not need an App I Uninstall it, there are plenty of games I look at and have not touched in a year so why keep them on the phone? I figure MS will release an update that will allow you to use the SIM then they will get flooded with people complaining Apps are to slow.
    11-26-2012 09:12 AM
  8. Dr_8820's Avatar
    I know I haven't been around here that long, but one thing that I've noticed is that you can't voice your opinion without someone who sounds like a fan getting upset like they will be punished if someone else doesn't like or choose what they like. To some of you, the storage isn't a factor...to others, it is. Congrats to all that has this phone, but it isn't the one for me at this point...and I hope that the hardest of the hardcore can understand that.
    11-26-2012 09:39 AM
  9. Wyn6's Avatar
    Prior to purchasing it, since it was new all the reviews I saw failed to mention the limited storage capacity and how you cannot install Apps to the Micro SD Card which makes it useless and just a basic phone. Lots of people like myself were looking to upgrade, not downgrade. I still see lots of reviews going around, but no one is mentioning the lack of space and I only noticed it now on a random site I found through google where a person who commented stated that you really only have about 4gb left after the OS installs fresh and all. My Samsung Focus lets me use a Micro SD Card and allocate space in total overall, thus letting me install Apps to the Micro SD Card. Which part of that didn't you get? Nokia took a step backwards. Nowhere on the Nokia website nor T-Mobile website state you are that limited to space and that you cannot save/install Apps to a micro sd card and what not. If anything, I feel like the phone now is more of a (photo) digital camera.


    Now, I can certainly understand if you couldn't find the information. It was out there, but I suppose it certainly could've been missed. Fortunately, I did find the info before purchasing the phone and decided to go ahead anyway. And, trust me... I debated on whether or not I could manage with just 8GB of storage. I realize that most of my storage was taken up by games that I didn't play anymore. I still had Star Wars: Battle of Hoth on my DVP. That game was pulled from the market over a year and a half ago.


    So, now I have all the apps I need and games that I do play. If I beat a game, I'll uninstall it.I can live with the storage until I see what Nokia comes out with this Spring and what's gonna hit Tmo. Again, I was just trying to understand why people would purchase a phone that didn't suit their needs provided the information was available. Daniel even posted that the SD card couldn't be used for apps. But, if you missed it, you missed it. Grab the 8X or something else that works better for you.
    11-26-2012 03:00 PM
  10. Rhoyz's Avatar
    I missed that info. The 64gb expandable info at Nokia site didn't help.
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    11-26-2012 03:40 PM
  11. Dr_8820's Avatar
    I said the heck with it and am test driving it....coming from my HD7, this thing is a beast. If I decide to keep it, I'll carry my HD7 for the storage (I know...HD7 and storage doesn't go together lol) and hope Microsoft or Nokia changes the app storage. This thing is much lighter than my HD7, I'm shocked about that!
    11-27-2012 11:33 PM
  12. scrannel's Avatar
    Now that it looks like the optional/NFC case will really be avail, I'll be moving up from my Moto Defy. That phone has been perfect, will see if I miss wifi-calling. And mine has only 2GB internal, though -- of course -- on the Defy I can move many apps to the SD. Thanks for all the info.
    11-29-2012 09:14 AM
  13. wprob's Avatar
    I said the heck with it and am test driving it....coming from my HD7, this thing is a beast. If I decide to keep it, I'll carry my HD7 for the storage (I know...HD7 and storage doesn't go together lol) and hope Microsoft or Nokia changes the app storage. This thing is much lighter than my HD7, I'm shocked about that!
    Dr, I too hope that Nokia listens and allows apps to sd. The 810 is an awesome phone, but I agree it would be a handy feature. Just remember, though, the majority of consumers have super cheap, bulk-quality SD cards. the experience isn't going to be consistent and can only work moderately well, at best. Yes, I know android does it, and that's also (part of the reason) why you see so many "force-close" errors (and etc) on android. Just my two cents...if it can be utilized safely and with consistency, I'm all for it. I think in the "future" (lol) we'll see cloud-based apps that "cache" on the internal memory and so not take up as much space. I suppose we'll see. :)
    12-01-2012 07:59 AM
  14. DroBoy's Avatar
    I do believe that a future update will allow Apps to be saved on to SD cards.
    12-02-2012 03:17 PM
  15. jodahav's Avatar
    Can Nokia maps downloaded for offline use be saved on an SD?
    12-02-2012 04:56 PM
  16. Mystictrust's Avatar
    I don't think so, only media goes on the card. Grrr.. I want to download the world and put it on my SD card... haha.
    12-02-2012 05:03 PM
  17. Rhoyz's Avatar
    I know how you feel. I bought the highest micro SD that my 810 can handle so that I can install the apps and maps on that card. Oh wells...
    12-02-2012 06:55 PM
  18. HeyCori's Avatar
    I know I haven't been around here that long, but one thing that I've noticed is that you can't voice your opinion without someone who sounds like a fan getting upset like they will be punished if someone else doesn't like or choose what they like. To some of you, the storage isn't a factor...to others, it is. Congrats to all that has this phone, but it isn't the one for me at this point...and I hope that the hardest of the hardcore can understand that.
    Don't play that game. Don't sit there and pretend to be the victim. WPCentral is not a hive mind. No one here is "out to get you" because you have an opinion. This is a public forum meaning anyone can join. Yes, some of those people will disagree with you. It's not because they're not part of your elite, "hardest of the hardcore." They're people, just like you, with their own values, grievances, and opinions. Don't place your opinions on a pedestal. I can assure you that it doesn't make you look hardcore at all.
    12-02-2012 06:59 PM
  19. Dr_8820's Avatar
    As a forum moderator myself, I think it shows incredibly bad taste for you to derail a thread just to respond to something I said days ago. My PM box is open for post like yours. Thanks.
    12-02-2012 10:36 PM
  20. HeyCori's Avatar
    As a forum moderator myself, I think it shows incredibly bad taste for you to derail a thread just to respond to something I said days ago. My PM box is open for post like yours. Thanks.
    I responded to an off-topic post with an off-topic post of my own. That's my fault. However, I have no qualms with making it public. I want to make it clear to other members that WPCentral is nothing like the forum you described.
    12-02-2012 10:43 PM
  21. jodahav's Avatar
    I don't think so, only media goes on the card. Grrr.. I want to download the world and put it on my SD card... haha.
    That's a big deal. I don't have a ton of apps on my Vibrant, but I have several. I had a Garminfone before this and I was constantly needing to delete one or two apps if I wanted to download a new one and I hated it. I'm sure this has been posted before, but how much internal memory is available to the user when you get a new L810?
    12-03-2012 03:18 PM
  22. Mystictrust's Avatar
    Somewhere slightly over 5 GB IIRC
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    12-03-2012 03:38 PM
  23. dainla's Avatar
    Prior to purchasing it, since it was new all the reviews I saw failed to mention the limited storage capacity and how you cannot install Apps to the Micro SD Card which makes it useless and just a basic phone.
    Well, there's some extraordinary hyperbole. That's how you make sure someone like myself doesn't read another word of your comment.
    12-04-2012 02:29 PM
  24. focuswiz's Avatar
    I wanted to add my comments on the Nokia Lumia 810 since I have been trying to use this phone for about a week and am beginning to like it. My focus is business usage, so I tend to not fill up my devices with apps, and I use the Microsoft Office apps which render spreadsheets and complex PowerPoint presentations better than the non-Microsoft equivalents.

    My reference device is not a phone but a 9-year-old Garmin iQue 3600 PDA/GPS based on the old Palm OS. This product has gone with me nearly everywhere I've gone since I got it in 2003. I use it to track appointments, contact information, and to navigate to clients.using the built-in GPS. That device had most if not all of the features I needed except being able to phone someone. The Palm OS was quite mature and developers were able and willing to tweak it to work even better. Some of the comments here remind me of back then. When we were out of main memory, but had room on the SD Card, the answer was an app that replaced the app with a stub app which pointed to and decompressed the real app that had been compressed and stored on the memory card and then put it back when the app closed. I have tried to replace it with the HTC MDA Vario II, the HTC Wing, and the HTC HD2. I never went with the HD7 since it lacked the storage card feature of the HD2. On the HD2, I had the ability to install movies on the memory card which made this device a good companion on long airline flights. Movies on the Garmin PDA were watchable but not particularly good quality and its screen washed out severely in bright sunlight.

    The phones above all provided good service, but it was not until CoPilot on the HD2 that I had as many features on a phone as I had on the iQue 3600. However, CoPilot was not a replacement for a Garmin GPS. The Garmin "learned" how I drive. It's estimates of time improved over time since it recorded my actual drive speed by highway and knew which were slower than posted and which were higher. This allowed it to improve directions when taking me on roads I frequently traverse. It also would use its data to inform me whether I was arriving at my destination "on the left" or "on the right" which helped especially on rural roads with poor street lighting. The one feature I liked most was the complete integration of the GPS with its address book. I could store more than just an address in the entry. I could set the actual physical location which is important on roads where street numbers are garbled or mapping information is inaccurate.

    So let's fast forward to the Lumia 810. I am not going to compare it to the 920or HTC 8X since I did not consider those phones once I learned that the 810 had a replaceable battery and external memory. I was also not sure that I wanted to go much larger than my HD2. While I do not understand the need for the larger housing than the HD2, since the screen size is similar, I like the size of the Lumia 810. It feels good in the hand and is of solid construction. Like the HD2, it offers two things that I consider very important, additional memory and a replaceable battery (though I cannot find a replacement yet). These are important since sometimes I want to bring tons of documentation with me and I have had times where I wanted to carry a spare battery, especially if I am out walking and using the GPS to track my location. The battery life seems to be exceptional and I will not likely have three batteries as I do for the HD2, but I will likely want a second.

    The home screen of Windows Phone 8 is an excellent design both from a visual appeal and from an information standpoint. I can have apps displaying date and appointment information as well as RSS feeds, news, weather, and have direct access to a large number of apps. The app list is well thought out and, like the contacts list, can be compressed into alphabetic tiles for quicker access to the far reaches of the alphabet. I find it interesting that we have returned to the alphabet for categorizing things since I will likely be ready for my next phone before I remember what MetroTalk does from the name (I have already memorized its icon symbol).

    The apps are limited but generally of better quality than what was available for the HD2. One interesting omission is the Barnes & Noble Nook application which came with the HD2 but apparently was never made for any other Windows phone before or since. Also interesting is the lack of support from news outlets who are constantly tweaking their Android and IOS apps. Also, such developers as Cerulean Studios (Trillian) and LogMeIn are still taking a "wait and see" attitude. My last discussion with LogMeIn who had an earlier Windows Mobile App was that they would NEVER support a Windows phone again. Hopefully they will change their mind.

    The responsiveness of the screen is what I would have expected based on the reviews and videos, so there are no surprises there. What is surprising is the overall architecture of Windows Phone 8 which appears to be far more controlled than any other Windows Operating System. I commented to a friend today that I expect there to be a lawsuit from Apple since Windows apparently copied much of their restricted functionality. I feel uncomfortable without a file manager and nervous without an antivirus program. Specifically, I spent hours trying to get Outlook on my PC to synch with the phone via Hotmail. I tried quite a few "suggestions" but none of them worked. Apparently, leaving the whole thing to "cook" in the background for two nights caused everything to work. Likewise, the phone could not find the movies I ported over from the HD2 on the card. Without a File Manager, I could not invoke them directly and had no idea how to tell the phone to look for them. The same day my calendar synched, the movies appeared in the list of available titles. Spooky and out of my control, just like Apple.

    Installing apps seems to work cleanly as I would expect from an operating system that they have been working on for several years. I like the interaction with the home screen and the lock screen and how the live tiles work. I have spent a lot of time putting junk on the home screen and will likely now start spending time removing things. The one thing I miss from the HD2 is the animated weather that would windshield wipe my home screen or put frost along the edges depending on the weather. I thought I would tire of those animations but never did.

    I took this device out for a few trips using both the Nokia Drive app and the Garmin StreetPilot app. Both were competent and it would be a personal choice as to which one is preferable. I do think the Nokia app has a lot more room to grow and that Nokia may have a greater incentive to improve it than Garmin might. I prefer the way I set a destination in the Garmin app since it gives me the ability to search my contacts for an address. Plus, it is integrated with Foursquare. Of course, for those clients whose physical location and NavTeq address do not match, I have no way to store their real location. However, I also find the global search feature of the Nokia to be extremely useful. I will probably use both depending on what I know about my destination. I have not yet tried adding stops after setting up a route so I cannot comment there, but finding food or lodging "along the route" or "near the destination" of a long trip and then adding it as "via point" with the old iQue 3600 was a no-brainer. It is likely that I will continue to bring that old toy with me until it dies even though the maps are getting a bit out-of-date.

    I was surprised at the feeble attempt at a calendar in Windows Phone 8. Good grief! This is pitiful compared to even the Palm OS from 9 years ago. Even Windows Mobile was better. Luckily there are calendar apps that offer a weekly and monthly view. I just need to spend a bit of time to decide which alternative I need to use.

    Call quality is good and it seems to have reasonably good sound. It took a while to find the built-in equalizer, but it is there and it suitably adjusted the sound using Nokia Purity earbuds I have. I have not challenged the camera too much but the pictures it has taken are more than acceptable and quite superior to the HD2's.

    Well, those are my thoughts. For the reasons mentioned, I am not encumbered by the 8GB limitation on internal storage and am thrilled with the ability to replace the battery and add external storage. I am quite impressed with the look and feel of the hardware and the software and I am content that there are sufficient apps to keep me satisfied for a while. I feel it is a reasonable upgrade from the HD2, but is not perfect. I am hopeful that the support from Nokia will be better than what I got from HTC (You could put movies on the Micro SD card but there was no "player" software for them).

    I always felt that the HD2 was better than its iPhone peers and was not sure that the Windows 7 phones were. This phone, with its larger screen, replaceable battery, external storage, and Microsoft Office apps, blows away the latest iPhone in the areas i care about. I still want to try some of the other features of this phone (like NFC), but expect those to work as expected.

    Overall, I am happy with this phone, but a little annoyed that vendors have been slow to support it (Ghost Armor put their screen protectors up online only last Friday and PDAir indicates that they will not be making cases for it [how rude]).

    That's my 2.
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    12-11-2012 01:56 AM
  25. HeyCori's Avatar
    That's a well thought out 2 :)
    12-11-2012 04:13 AM
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