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  1. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    It looks like the FB page for TMO is getting decent traffic. We might as well bug em there as well. Who knows. They might notice the amounts, and hopefully give us an answer.
    05-07-2013 03:51 AM
  2. Bill None's Avatar
    How about well all go to Microsoft and ask them to push updates directly without carrier involvement:
    Own the update process
    05-07-2013 04:10 AM
  3. Sario27's Avatar
    Facebook link to comment regarding the Lumi 810. Not very informative, but better than nothing.
    b23h likes this.
    05-07-2013 07:34 AM
  4. pankaj981's Avatar
    Facebook link to comment regarding the Lumi 810. Not very informative, but better than nothing.
    For some reason I feel the reply that guy gave was a standard copy paste, freaking stupid T-Mobile
    b23h likes this.
    05-07-2013 07:47 AM
  5. metalchick719's Avatar
    How about well all go to Microsoft and ask them to push updates directly without carrier involvement:
    Own the update process
    I just left my two cents up there.
    b23h likes this.
    05-07-2013 09:00 AM
  6. Guzzler3's Avatar
    How about well all go to Microsoft and ask them to push updates directly without carrier involvement:
    Own the update process
    My thoughts... firmware updates should NOT come from Microsoft, nor from the carrier. They should come directly from the manufacturer.
    OS updates should come from Microsoft (from what I understand that's how it works now with WP8).
    Firmware should come from the device manufacturer. Similar to PC's, you go to motherboard manufacturer's website, and check to see if there are any updates. Asking Microsoft to be the middle man for firmware is similar to asking the carrier to do it. It will get horked up.

    The only thing the carrier should be updating is their own stuff. I.e. crap-app-ware, splash/branding screens, specific configs of the phone for what your service contract allows (example: tethering. If you pay for it, turn it on.).
    metalchick719 and b23h like this.
    05-07-2013 09:44 AM
  7. pankaj981's Avatar
    I am going back to the 810 now, this stupid 1308 on the Rogers 920 is not only having battery issues but also data connectivity issues on T-Mobile. I wish T-Mobile releases a new firmware to allow the storage check, I have less than a GB on my 810.
    05-07-2013 12:22 PM
  8. metalchick719's Avatar
    I am going back to the 810 now, this stupid 1308 on the Rogers 920 is not only having battery issues but also data connectivity issues on T-Mobile. I wish T-Mobile releases a new firmware to allow the storage check, I have less than a GB on my 810.
    Oh, no, that's terrible news. I'm supposed to get my 920 today. I'm worried now, but I decided I would keep my 810 as a backup anyway. I loved my iPhone 4, though I prefer WP8 and wouldn't be too happy to end up having to move back to that.
    05-07-2013 12:54 PM
  9. pankaj981's Avatar
    Oh, no, that's terrible news. I'm supposed to get my 920 today. I'm worried now, but I decided I would keep my 810 as a backup anyway. I loved my iPhone 4, though I prefer WP8 and wouldn't be too happy to end up having to move back to that.
    i don't have issues where the network is good, here in my office the network is not that great, 810 had an exceptional network as compared to the 920 on 1308. I have less issues at home though. Let me know how it goes for you...
    05-07-2013 01:32 PM
  10. metalchick719's Avatar
    i don't have issues where the network is good, here in my office the network is not that great, 810 had an exceptional network as compared to the 920 on 1308. I have less issues at home though. Let me know how it goes for you...
    Actually, I'm more worried about the battery life than data connection. The data where I am I know will be decent because I started finally getting a 3G appearing on my iPhone 4 back in November. I'm really just concerned about having a phone that dies after only a few hours. I'll definitely keep you posted on how my 920 functions, though. In spite of no updates for the 810, I'm pretty glad I decided to keep it rather than giving it to my mother or selling it.
    b23h likes this.
    05-07-2013 02:00 PM
  11. pankaj981's Avatar
    Actually, I'm more worried about the battery life than data connection. The data where I am I know will be decent because I started finally getting a 3G appearing on my iPhone 4 back in November. I'm really just concerned about having a phone that dies after only a few hours. I'll definitely keep you posted on how my 920 functions, though. In spite of no updates for the 810, I'm pretty glad I decided to keep it rather than giving it to my mother or selling it.
    The battery life is decent, i am a heavy whatsapp user and it drains battery a lot faster than actually making a voice call. Without whatsapp i actually get more than a day's battery life
    05-07-2013 02:36 PM
  12. metalchick719's Avatar
    The battery life is decent, i am a heavy whatsapp user and it drains battery a lot faster than actually making a voice call. Without whatsapp i actually get more than a day's battery life
    Ahh, okay, that reassures me then that I won't have that problem. I did read about WhatsApp causing battery issues. I have an unlimited plan now, so I guess I should be good.

    On another note, there was just a delivery here. I thought it was my new 920, but it was my mom's new 620 instead, lol. Shame that her SIM card hasn't gotten here yet.
    05-07-2013 02:53 PM
  13. pankaj981's Avatar
    Well i am on an unlimited domestic plan, whatsapp is for family and friends who are abroad
    05-07-2013 05:22 PM
  14. pankaj981's Avatar
    Thanks to the 1308, i am back to my 810 -_-
    05-07-2013 09:22 PM
  15. metalchick719's Avatar
    Well, I didn't get my 920 today as FedEx claimed I would. Now the delivery has been pushed back to tomorrow. I'll definitely let you guys know how it works on T-Mobile's HSPA/HSPA+/4G network at some point tomorrow, if not Thursday. pankaj981, sorry you had to go back to the 810, especially when you have such limited storage available. I'm hoping my mom won't have this problem with her new 620, although that's doubtful because it's carrier unlocked and I assume she'll probably have the 1308 firmware out of the box.
    b23h likes this.
    05-07-2013 09:37 PM
  16. pankaj981's Avatar
    I just have to wait for Nokia to release the patch. I was planning on passing on the 810 to my dad who is currently using the Samsung Focus and Lumia 900 but I guess he will get my 8X
    05-07-2013 10:18 PM
  17. iqmeister's Avatar
    There is a suggestion for this as well:
    Nokia should enable downloading firmwares through Navifirm again!

    Not sure how much it is worth there, but Nokia must listen to Microsoft's suggestions
    Sario27 likes this.
    05-08-2013 04:11 PM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    There is a suggestion for this as well:
    Nokia should enable downloading firmwares through Navifirm again!

    Not sure how much it is worth there, but Nokia must listen to Microsoft's suggestions
    That would be nice. I'm at a point where as much as I like my 810, I may get a Catwalk. But, I will settle for a 8X to use back and forth in the interim. At least for now we know the 8X is still alive...
    05-10-2013 10:43 AM
  19. b23h's Avatar
    That would be nice. I'm at a point where as much as I like my 810, I may get a Catwalk. But, I will settle for a 8X to use back and forth in the interim. At least for now we know the 8X is still alive...
    Unfortunately with T-Mobile I know nothing. Without messing with the phone or installing Storage Check or something similar the 810 ends up being crammed fairly quickly for a lot of people. Given the 8x firmware hasn't been updated since January and HTC may not be the healthiest company, I am unsure at to if the 8x is alive or another zombie. If you've head news about the 8x then I would be interested in hearing the news. Catwalk sounds interesting for me and I will pay attention when it is released. However given it appears to be a T-Mobile exclusive I am certainly torn about that. One would think that T-Mobile would sell it for longer and support it better than the 810 as it would be the flagship Windows Phone on T-Mobile (for now), I cannot say that I am thrilled with T-Mobile and will be either considering the Catwalk or an unlocked non-exclusive phone like the 920.

    Any day now though I will be at forty days since moving from T-Mobile prepaid to their new plans and I will request an unlock for my HTC HD7. Then I shove back the 810 and raise my finger to T-Mobile. Sorry for the bitterness, but I think you all understand......
    05-10-2013 03:28 PM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Unfortunately with T-Mobile I know nothing. Without messing with the phone or installing Storage Check or something similar the 810 ends up being crammed fairly quickly for a lot of people. Given the 8x firmware hasn't been updated since January and HTC may not be the healthiest company, I am unsure at to if the 8x is alive or another zombie. If you've head news about the 8x then I would be interested in hearing the news. Catwalk sounds interesting for me and I will pay attention when it is released. However given it appears to be a T-Mobile exclusive I am certainly torn about that. One would think that T-Mobile would sell it for longer and support it better than the 810 as it would be the flagship Windows Phone on T-Mobile (for now), I cannot say that I am thrilled with T-Mobile and will be either considering the Catwalk or an unlocked non-exclusive phone like the 920.

    Any day now though I will be at forty days since moving from T-Mobile prepaid to their new plans and I will request an unlock for my HTC HD7. Then I shove back the 810 and raise my finger to T-Mobile. Sorry for the bitterness, but I think you all understand......
    Well, it's the AT&T version, so at least with WP8, that's not as bad as a lemon. For $130, used, it is a steal as a spare phone. I think what I will do is go along with my 810 for a while and maybe skip the Catwalk entirely. If the new 2013 flagship Lumia is a true upgrade, I will sell both phones and buy that sucker unlocked.

    Your bitterness is understood. I'm only with T-Mobile as it gives good coverage where I'm at and the prices fit my budget.
    05-10-2013 03:36 PM
  21. b23h's Avatar
    There is a suggestion for this as well:
    Nokia should enable downloading firmwares through Navifirm again!

    Not sure how much it is worth there, but Nokia must listen to Microsoft's suggestions
    I don't know exactly what happens with the firmware. Does T-Mobile request firmware from Nokia? Does T-Mobile help with development costs with new firmware? Or is it simply that Nokia does some sort of internal calculus and decides yes we will continue to develop firmware for this phone or not? One would hope that with a phone that was just released six months ago, they would continue to support firmware updates given there is a clear demand for such and that WP consumers expect to receive OS updates.

    What is infuriating and a foolish mistake is that neither Nokia nor T-Mobile will simply state yes or no that firmware updates are expected. Even if the answer is no, is not like we will not find out and we won't be irritated at being strung along. Just saying "we will support the phone" sounds like an evasion without any details.
    05-10-2013 03:38 PM
  22. Guzzler3's Avatar
    From what I have been able to gather, it's a two way system for developing firmware. Either Nokia or the carrier can initiate a bug fix. Example:

    A carrier could find a bug, submit a bug report to Nokia. Nokia would work on fixing the bug. When finished, Nokia submits the firmware to the carrier for testing/verification. If it passes, the carrier would push it out the devices.

    If Nokia finds a bug, they work on fixing it, when finished, they submit it to the carrier(s) for testing/verification. Again if it passes, the carrier pushes it out to the devices.

    No matter how you slice it, the carrier is the final gate for firmware updates.

    Now, if you have a factory unbranded, unlocked device, you have to wait till all the carriers that use that device give a thumbs up, then you get the firmware from the manufacturer (meaning you are usually last to get the update).

    At least that is what I've been able to determine. If someone else knows otherwise, speak up.
    05-10-2013 04:48 PM
  23. b23h's Avatar
    From what I have been able to gather, it's a two way system for developing firmware. Either Nokia or the carrier can initiate a bug fix. Example:

    A carrier could find a bug, submit a bug report to Nokia. Nokia would work on fixing the bug. When finished, Nokia submits the firmware to the carrier for testing/verification. If it passes, the carrier would push it out the devices.

    If Nokia finds a bug, they work on fixing it, when finished, they submit it to the carrier(s) for testing/verification. Again if it passes, the carrier pushes it out to the devices.

    No matter how you slice it, the carrier is the final gate for firmware updates.

    Now, if you have a factory unbranded, unlocked device, you have to wait till all the carriers that use that device give a thumbs up, then you get the firmware from the manufacturer (meaning you are usually last to get the update).

    At least that is what I've been able to determine. If someone else knows otherwise, speak up.
    Hi Guzzler,

    The first part about the two way street makes sense, and I do agree that the carrier is the gatekeeper. However I did not know that unlocked devices have to wait till all the carriers that use that device give the release a thumbs up. That sounds hideous, maybe even worse that having a carrier exclusive. For me that sounds like multiple carriers could have veto power instead of just one. Is that really the case? You're frightening me!!!
    05-10-2013 05:13 PM
  24. wiseguywood's Avatar
    b23h,
    Sad to see you go if that is how it goes, but I certainly know why, and can sympathize.
    05-10-2013 05:17 PM
  25. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Hi Guzzler,

    The first part about the two way street makes sense, and I do agree that the carrier is the gatekeeper. However I did not know that unlocked devices have to wait till all the carriers that use that device give the release a thumbs up. That sounds hideous, maybe even worse that having a carrier exclusive. For me that sounds like multiple carriers could have veto power instead of just one. Is that really the case? You're frightening me!!!
    Yea, but at least you have a better chance of eventually receiving an update, as even if there are multiple carriers with the same device, there are specific sections of the firmware that are carrier specific. If the bug fix isn't in that area, then it has a better chance of being pushed out.

    What scares me the most now, is a device that is carrier specific (i.e. our Lumia 810) being totally abandoned by the carrier. They are the gatekeeper, if they decide to just leave it as is, we're stuffed. They tell the manufacturer that they are "cutting the cord", end of story. The manufacturer just sighs, and pulls the resources off that device, to die a slow death (it happens to Android devices quite a bit, I'm told). The cost of maintaining the device is no longer economical.

    Which in a sick and twisted way, is how Android has a leg up being an "open" system. If an enthusiast that knows, the know, could pickup and hack their way in and update the firmware of an abandoned device.

    Our only saving grace might be an O/S update that requires a firmware tweak. Then the carrier might allow a firmware update. But in all honesty... that RARELY ever happens.

    About the only thing I can hope that happens is that Nokia steps up to the plate and berates T-mobile into allowing the firmware out.
    05-10-2013 07:37 PM
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