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  1. WPhoney's Avatar
    I think t-mobile is just BSing 810 users because we have the "ULTIMATE WP8 device" ever made, and if they support it, it would hurt stock of new and upcoming devices.
    If they decide to let the phone die slowly without any further updates, is there anything we can do to shove either Amber or GDR2 into the phone? I'm guessing the platform is locked enough to make it impossible....
    08-02-2013 01:47 AM
  2. froi francisco's Avatar
    If they decide to let the phone die slowly without any further updates, is there anything we can do to shove either Amber or GDR2 into the phone? I'm guessing the platform is locked enough to make it impossible....
    nothing is impossible..the prob is the people willing to take time to crack it
    08-02-2013 05:37 AM
  3. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    nothing is impossible..the prob is the people willing to take time to crack it
    It boils down to how MSFT encrypted the OS in the first place. There is an old article on this on WPCentral that was released last year. If I find it I will post the link. The big issue is that MSFT went the OTA route for WP8, which still leaves in on the carriers to push out the update.

    t-mo iisn'tgoing to admit it made a mistake with the 810. They'll just bury it with the 925 and 521 in the same way they buried the 8X. As we said before, they both were overpriced and under promoted and had the ****ty sales numbers to prove it.
    08-02-2013 05:48 AM
  4. dave0538's Avatar
    It boils down to how MSFT encrypted the OS in the first place. There is an old article on this on WPCentral that was released last year. If I find it I will post the link. The big issue is that MSFT went the OTA route for WP8, which still leaves in on the carriers to push out the update.

    t-mo iisn'tgoing to admit it made a mistake with the 810. They'll just bury it with the 925 and 521 in the same way they buried the 8X. As we said before, they both were overpriced and under promoted and had the ****ty sales numbers to prove it.
    Indeed Microsoft went OTA they also introduced secure boot which is the main problem for dev to break it, Chinese/jap dev are working on making something like hdspl for the phone but can't get past secure boot, at least on the nokia phones. Reker who hails from darkforcesteam (they are kinda famous in the windows mobile and windows 7 era along with chainfire and oli.)

    And yeah like MSFTisMIA said T-Mobile will try to bury the 810 existence. Unless we all find a way to fight back and not let it happened. And as far as my BBB complaint is going, its going rather good than getting no where calling t mobile and yelling at them. So hopefully others will file a complaint and force t-mobiles hand in the matter.
    08-02-2013 01:20 PM
  5. WPhoney's Avatar
    What if:

    1. a person unlocks his 810.
    2. then signs up for a no-contract plan at AT&T.
    3. waits patiently for a month or two....

    Would AT&T push GDR2 onto that unlocked 810?


    Another question. I've been thinking about this whole 810-GDR2 debacle.... Given the poor vote of confidence everyone here gives to T-Mobile on this issue, what are the chances of the device ever receiving GDR3? I mean, if you guys get fortunate enough to be given GDR2 this month, that will, in all likelihood, be the last update the 810 will ever see, anyway. Again, based on how little faith you have in T-Mobile.
    08-02-2013 03:27 PM
  6. sahib lopez's Avatar
    1) if you do unlock it and take it to AT&T your updates will still come from t-mobile because its a phone that is controlled by t-mobile
    2) and as for your question about getting GDR3 well as you can see how I put this ... I think I can speck for myself and say the day we get GDR3 is the day we see pigs and cows driving to the store to complain about Selling their milk and bacon to us ;)
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    08-02-2013 03:43 PM
  7. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    1) if you do unlock it and take it to AT&T your updates will still come from t-mobile because its a phone that is controlled by t-mobile
    2) and as for your question about getting GDR3 well as you can see how I put this ... I think I can speck for myself and say the day we get GDR3 is the day we see pigs and cows driving to the store to complain about Selling their milk and bacon to us ;)
    Better yet, those pigs and cows will drive to the supermarket complaining how expensive eating human meat has gotten...sigh...
    08-02-2013 04:32 PM
  8. PB_H's Avatar
    1) if you do unlock it and take it to AT&T your updates will still come from t-mobile because its a phone that is controlled by t-mobile
    2) and as for your question about getting GDR3 well as you can see how I put this ... I think I can speck for myself and say the day we get GDR3 is the day we see pigs and cows driving to the store to complain about Selling their milk and bacon to us ;)
    I'm not so sure since you'd have an AT&T SIM card and it (SIM) wouldn't be tied to TM even if you kept your number
    the only network that you'd be tied to is by the SIM -no ? TM contacts you because you have one of their SIM cards.
    Doesn't unlocked mean it's not tied to any network ? Years ago I had a Moto Pebble and I bought it from TM but it died out of warranty and
    it I bought an unlocked replacement and it had a logo at start up from some network in the south -South Carolina area I think, and never got anything from them, & I couldn't access some links on the phone from that network -I didn't have one of their SIM cards. And TM won't contact you unless you have a TM SIM and the update is OTA and it's linked to the SIM and that phone and TM doesn't control it anymore since it's unlocked... if that is wrong then OK but I don't think so.
    Last edited by PB_H; 08-02-2013 at 04:53 PM.
    08-02-2013 04:32 PM
  9. dainla's Avatar
    Checked about swapping my 810 for a 925 using my Assure Insurance. I would have to pay $300 for difference in phone price and the $45 for using Assure (I was not informed there would be $45 fee when I bought assure.)

    I can wait until early November, so hopefully 925 price drops or update comes.

    If not, I'll be off to Android or iOS.
    08-02-2013 04:38 PM
  10. WPhoney's Avatar
    1) if you do unlock it and take it to AT&T your updates will still come from t-mobile because its a phone that is controlled by t-mobile
    I doubt that a phone with an AT&T SIM inside would ever receive any data (much less updates) from T-Mobile. Sounds very implausible, bordering on senseless.
    08-02-2013 04:55 PM
  11. sahib lopez's Avatar
    I'm not so sure since you'd have an AT&T SIM card and it (SIM) wouldn't be tied to TM even if you kept your number
    the only network that you'd be tied to is by the SIM -no ? TM contacts you because you have one of their SIM cards.
    Doesn't unlocked mean it's not tied to any network ? Years ago I had a Moto Pebble and I bought it from TM but it died out of warranty and
    it I bought an unlocked replacement and it had a logo at start up from some network in the south -South Carolina area I think, and never got anything from them, & I couldn't access some links on the phone from that network -I didn't have one of their SIM cards. And TM won't contact you unless you have a TM SIM and the update is OTA and it's linked to the SIM and that phone and TM doesn't control it anymore since it's unlocked... if that is wrong then OK but I don't think so.
    Don't take my word for it it's important to do research ;) but the way I learned is if a phones is requested by cellphone Carierr the oem makes it so its compatible on that network then the carrier makes a custom rom and addes it's own stuff. Then if a person decides to unlock it to take it to another carrier they would unlock it but that rom would still be there and the updates would come from the origial carrier that is responsible of selling that device. But what you say is true then people would not be trying to get a rom an unbraned rom so they can forget about the carriers about updates . And also I hope I didn't miss understand you again because that would be ackward and feel free to correct me because I rather be told they I am wrong right now and have the right info later than saying the incorrect things to other peeps :)
    08-02-2013 05:08 PM
  12. PB_H's Avatar
    Don't take my word for it it's important to do research ;) but the way I learned is if a phones is requested by cellphone Carierr the oem makes it so its compatible on that network then the carrier makes a custom rom and addes it's own stuff. Then if a person decides to unlock it to take it to another carrier they would unlock it but that rom would still be there and the updates would come from the origial carrier that is responsible of selling that device. But what you say is true then people would not be trying to get a rom an unbraned rom so they can forget about the carriers about updates . And also I hope I didn't miss understand you again because that would be ackward and feel free to correct me because I rather be told they I am wrong right now and have the right info later than saying the incorrect things to other peeps :)
    I'm not 100% sure but it would seem odd to TM to contact you if you are on AT&T -they (att) would just offer the update OTA they support WP8 too. But WPhoney has doubts too.
    call AT&T and ask...if I unlock my phone and sign up with you would I....
    08-02-2013 07:17 PM
  13. PB_H's Avatar
    What if:

    1. a person unlocks his 810.
    2. then signs up for a no-contract plan at AT&T.
    3. waits patiently for a month or two....

    Would AT&T push GDR2 onto that unlocked 810?


    Another question. I've been thinking about this whole 810-GDR2 debacle.... Given the poor vote of confidence everyone here gives to T-Mobile on this issue, what are the chances of the device ever receiving GDR3? I mean, if you guys get fortunate enough to be given GDR2 this month*, that will, in all likelihood, be the last update the 810 will ever see, anyway. Again, based on how little faith you have in T-Mobile.
    *GDR2 was pushed out to 2014 last I read.
    08-02-2013 07:18 PM
  14. WPhoney's Avatar
    *GDR2 was pushed out to 2014 last I read.
    Wasn't it coming in August? I thought some Lumia devices on AT&T were already getting it. The new 520 ships with it for $99. Plus the HTC 8XT on Sprint is getting too. Did you mean GDR3?
    08-02-2013 07:32 PM
  15. PB_H's Avatar
    I think you mean the Amber Update the 925 was shipped with it.
    08-02-2013 07:55 PM
  16. WPhoney's Avatar
    GDR2 is being rolled out now. Slowly, but surely.


    Along with Windows Phone 8 GDR 2 (version 8.0.10327.77 installed) the 8XT has two Sprint apps preloaded (Sprint Music Plus and Sprint TV and Movies) and the HTC apps (Photo Enhancer, HTC Burst, HTC app, and HTC Camera).

    Sprint HTC 8XT Windows Phone review | Windows Phone Central
    What may surprise some of you though is knowing that this bad boy comes with a Windows Phone 8 build 10327 (GDR2) and Nokias Amber firmware update already on board. The means that it has a bunch of low level OS fixes, like that Me Tile situation and the Other Storage fix (we're at 300 MB) and some Nokia perks likes double-tap to wake and flip-to-silence for phone calls. (Watch our video tour above to see it in action.)

    AT&T Nokia Lumia 520 with GDR2 and Amber on board; unboxing and quick tour | Windows Phone Central
    Likewise, Pro Cam and Smart Cam, when set as the default camera app (something new to Windows Phone 8.0 GDR2), cannot bypass the PIN lock screen like the native Windows Phone camera UI, adding even more delay to the process should you chose to lock your device.

    Nokia Lumia 1020 Review | Windows Phone Central
    Reports are coming, with scarce details, that the Nokia Lumia 925 is receiving an OS update today over the air. The update bumps the OS from build 10327 to build 10328both of which are considered part of the GDR2 release frame. Devices that are reported to be receiving the update include only unlocked devices with no reports (yet) of branded or carrier supported ones, including T-Mobile US.

    Unlocked Nokia Lumia 925 devices start receiving update to OS build 10328 | Windows Phone Central
    08-02-2013 10:19 PM
  17. PB_H's Avatar
    cool
    I guess I'll have to get some other WP8 if I want the updates.
    RIP 810
    08-02-2013 11:48 PM
  18. b23h's Avatar
    Another question. I've been thinking about this whole 810-GDR2 debacle.... Given the poor vote of confidence everyone here gives to T-Mobile on this issue, what are the chances of the device ever receiving GDR3? I mean, if you guys get fortunate enough to be given GDR2 this month, that will, in all likelihood, be the last update the 810 will ever see, anyway. Again, based on how little faith you have in T-Mobile.
    Of course I don't guarantee anything, but I bet that the 810 will get GDR2 & Amber with some sort of firmware update. However GDR3, let alone Winphone 8.1/Blue or whatever they're calling it, I AM QUITE DOUBTFUL. Getting updates going forward is just one of the reasons I wanted a Windows Phone 8 device. So yes I agree, I think GDR2 and Amber will be the token support of the 810, then it's going to be the long sleep.....
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    08-03-2013 01:40 AM
  19. froi francisco's Avatar
    anybody read any article of a possible release date?
    08-03-2013 03:47 AM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    t-mo will release it when they get around to it. Chasing after release dates at this point just creates unnecessary angst.
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    08-03-2013 07:10 AM
  21. PB_H's Avatar
    anybody read any article of a possible release date?
    March 1, 2015, +/- a year.
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    08-03-2013 01:57 PM
  22. b23h's Avatar
    March 1, 2015, +/- a year.
    cynicism is strong with this one
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    08-03-2013 05:15 PM
  23. Dr_8820's Avatar
    anybody read any article of a possible release date?
    In the words of some here with exclusively knowledge and those who run in the finest circles....I know but I can't say....
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    08-03-2013 05:36 PM
  24. MrTofu's Avatar
    ...but trust me anyway!
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    08-03-2013 07:45 PM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I don't try to hate on folks who are insiders that post here, but when you post cryptically on a hot button topic you end up doing more angst than help.
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    08-04-2013 08:30 PM
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