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  1. sahib lopez's Avatar
    I think wp8 on tmobile wont pick up UNTILL tmobile becomes the 2nd or even 1st largest carrier in the us
    11-30-2013 11:21 PM
  2. PB_H's Avatar
    I think wp8 on tmobile wont pick up UNTILL tmobile becomes the 2nd or even 1st largest carrier in the us
    Then it will never happen.

    Quarter 1, 2013
    Verizon 116,750,000 subscribers
    AT&T 107,250,000
    Sprint 54,886,000
    T Mobile 33,968,000
    Last edited by PB_H; 12-01-2013 at 02:29 AM.
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    12-01-2013 02:14 AM
  3. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Then it will never happen.

    Quarter 1, 2013
    Verizon 116,750,000 subscribers
    AT&T 107,250,000
    Sprint 54,886,000
    T Mobile 33,968,000
    and that is what I was trying to get at that :) not until T-Mobile becomes a large carrier then we will see more users on the network and thus a bigger possibility that customers ask for a windows phone.. but I can see my reasoning flawed because if my statement was true then Verizon would have most of the windows phone 8 users but its AT&T but then again it gets all the exclusives ...anyways .....I digress but simply put T-Mobile wont have much wp8 in their minds
    12-01-2013 11:47 PM
  4. waazzupppp's Avatar
    Yep, but something to consider... T-Mobile added a record 1.4 million subs (mobile phones) in Q3 2013... AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all LOST subs (mobile phones) in the same quarter. The only thing that saved the big 2 is that they had an increase in tablet and mobile device subs. That said, the reason that T-Mo won't have good devices is because of the AWS 1700/2100 radios that they need to get their 4G speeds across the country. AT&T can use and 850/900 quad-band world phone (no special radios needed) and Verizon has a sub base that is large enough to get companies to build them special devices (the Droid and the 928/929 for example).

    What might end up leveling the playing field a bit is if the LTE data frequencies overlap enough to make just 3 radios work with every phone. If they could make a CDMA/GSM voice and LTE data device that would work on all 4 US carriers, it would be a truly dominant phone. Until then, Sprint and T-Mobile will get the scraps of the other two carriers. Of course, with T-Mo's pricing strategy, lower cost devices are at the forefront of their wants, not high end monsters. Look for the high end offering in an iPhone, Galaxy and maybe one other, but overall, I don't expect to see anything bigger than a 925 offering ($500 max off contract price) and a bunch more in the $100-200 like the Lumia 521, Alcatel Fierce and the Optimus F3... They reduce the risk that T-Mobile has of writing off handsets that don't stay on for the 20 months of payments as well as the cost of their inventory levels.

    But back to the subject at hand... Lumia 810 and firmware updates... I'll message a friend and see if there is anything new on GDR3 timing and post back later...
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    12-03-2013 04:44 PM
  5. b23h's Avatar
    Personally I would have been quite happy with the 925 given one caveat, so I am not making a straw man argument for "high end monsters". As they already had a 16gb 925 I wonder why they did not get a 32gb version as well? I am sure that a review of comments on this site and others will show that a sizeable percentage of people interested in the 925 were off put by the 16gb cap. I have every expectation that one of the reasons that the sales of the 925 were not as high as they could have been because a significant amount of the enthusiasts who normally would have gone for the 925 were hit by a contradiction in one of the phone's primary characteristics.
    12-03-2013 07:10 PM
  6. waazzupppp's Avatar
    It seems like the difference between 16GB and 32GB is about $100... Spread over 20 months of payments it's only $5... but if that person bails on the plan and walks away with that "free" phone it ends up costing T-Mobile an extra $100... Its a sad but true thing...
    12-03-2013 07:27 PM
  7. pankaj981's Avatar
    Well the phone won't still be free because of EIP/Early Term fee
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    12-03-2013 07:42 PM
  8. b23h's Avatar
    uh huh...

    So a five hundred dollar phone, plus another five or ten bucks of memory becomes a six hundred dollar phone and that extra amount of memory brings the entire financing scenario up for question? No, I don't think so. A real answer would consist of something else...
    12-03-2013 09:58 PM
  9. Dr_8820's Avatar
    Haven't checked in in a while...long story short, my 810 and HD2 were both stolen from me, leaving me with my broken HD7. T-Mobile wants $150 for a replacement for an EOL'd phone, or buy something else...as I much as I love WP and loathe Android, I might be getting the Note 3 today...Microsoft and T-Mobile need to get it together with the updates and high end phones only going to AT&T while T-Mobile basks in the sunlight of cheap, stripped down phones that don't get supported because they don't sell. If they can get their act together, I'll be more than happy to return to WP...good luck to everyone still holding down the fort, I hope you get the updates that you deserve.

    (before AT&T is suggested, I'm not switching carriers just to get a good phone that won't be updated by AT&T)
    12-04-2013 11:32 AM
  10. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Haven't checked in in a while...long story short, my 810 and HD2 were both stolen from me, leaving me with my broken HD7. T-Mobile wants $150 for a replacement for an EOL'd phone, or buy something else...as I much as I love WP and loathe Android, I might be getting the Note 3 today...Microsoft and T-Mobile need to get it together with the updates and high end phones only going to AT&T while T-Mobile basks in the sunlight of cheap, stripped down phones that don't get supported because they don't sell. If they can get their act together, I'll be more than happy to return to WP...good luck to everyone still holding down the fort, I hope you get the updates that you deserve.

    (before AT&T is suggested, I'm not switching carriers just to get a good phone that won't be updated by AT&T)
    well now we know that the 810 is worth stealing ...but in all seriousness sad to here that they were stolen from you :/ and maybe by the time you return to windows phone 8 it will be better :D and I hope your note 3 serves you well
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    12-04-2013 12:15 PM
  11. b23h's Avatar
    Dr_8820. Sorry to hear about your stolen phones and that you may be leaving WP 8. Being frustrated at MS's slow pace at adding features or fixing problems is understandable. But much worse than that is being a WP person on T-Mobile and dealing with their fickle and uncommunicative behavior around updates. To make one more pitch for WP, you may be able to get the 521 for as little as $80 to tide you over. Or everyonce in a while CowBoom drops the price of a new HTC 8X to around $180. Of course with the 8X you will find yourself in the same EOL limbo with T -Mobile...
    Last edited by b23h; 12-04-2013 at 04:16 PM.
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    12-04-2013 03:14 PM
  12. b23h's Avatar
    If I were to leave WP (it's incredibly unlikely) I'd probably get a Motorola. I've owned a number of them in the past and before Google bought them I was hoping they would jump in with a WP device. They are fairly inexpensive and probably pretty well designed and built. With straight Android and being owned by Google you know they are going to be updated.
    12-04-2013 03:27 PM
  13. b23h's Avatar
    Oh that reminds me. Motorola's site crashed all day on Black Friday so I think they moved their sale to today and Saturday....
    12-04-2013 03:32 PM
  14. waazzupppp's Avatar
    For most carriers, you are right. The problem is that T-Mo doesn't have an ETF on the plans, it's on the device. So, if I walk in, grab a new Galaxy Note 3 for $250 (T-Mobile is on the hook for $500 on that one), sell it two days later as "new" for $550 and cancel my plan, I am up $300 and back to my Lumia 810 on a prepaid plan. T-Mobile on the other hand is out $250 for that device and can only send me to collections to get their money back. Until I pay them, they are on the hook for that device at the full cost to them. It's much more economical for them to sell $300 phones that they pay $100-150 for than it is to sell $500-750 phones that they pay $300-500 for. I believe I read online that their price for their own Nexus 5 was actually MORE than the Google store price for end users because of the specialty software that was loaded. If that's the case, they give that away to someone, they walk away after the first month and T-Mo is out $400...

    I understand that they may eventually get their money back from either the user or collections, but in the mean time, if 100 people do this, they are out $40,000... Since they added over a million subs last quarter, a 1% rate would be 1,000 people (if I did my math right) and that would equal $400,000 in phone losses. If they were writing off $50 handsets like the Lumia 521, they would only be writing off $50,000... That's a big difference.
    12-04-2013 03:36 PM
  15. waazzupppp's Avatar
    Haven't checked in in a while...long story short, my 810 and HD2 were both stolen from me, leaving me with my broken HD7. T-Mobile wants $150 for a replacement for an EOL'd phone, or buy something else...as I much as I love WP and loathe Android, I might be getting the Note 3 today...Microsoft and T-Mobile need to get it together with the updates and high end phones only going to AT&T while T-Mobile basks in the sunlight of cheap, stripped down phones that don't get supported because they don't sell. If they can get their act together, I'll be more than happy to return to WP...good luck to everyone still holding down the fort, I hope you get the updates that you deserve.

    (before AT&T is suggested, I'm not switching carriers just to get a good phone that won't be updated by AT&T)
    Would T-Mo replace it with the 925 or a refurb 810? It might be worth it to snag a 925... Or just grab one of the 521's on sale right now for $79...
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    12-04-2013 03:40 PM
  16. b23h's Avatar
    Staying on WP would be sweet and I must say I've not researched if or how well a Motorola would work on T-Mobile's network.
    12-04-2013 04:03 PM
  17. b23h's Avatar
    For most carriers, you are right. The problem is that T-Mo doesn't have an ETF on the plans, it's on the device. So, if I walk in, grab a new Galaxy Note 3 for $250 (T-Mobile is on the hook for $500 on that one), sell it two days later as "new" for $550 and cancel my plan, I am up $300 and back to my Lumia 810 on a prepaid plan. T-Mobile on the other hand is out $250 for that device and can only send me to collections to get their money back. Until I pay them, they are on the hook for that device at the full cost to them. It's much more economical for them to sell $300 phones that they pay $100-150 for than it is to sell $500-750 phones that they pay $300-500 for. I believe I read online that their price for their own Nexus 5 was actually MORE than the Google store price for end users because of the specialty software that was loaded. If that's the case, they give that away to someone, they walk away after the first month and T-Mo is out $400...

    I understand that they may eventually get their money back from either the user or collections, but in the mean time, if 100 people do this, they are out $40,000... Since they added over a million subs last quarter, a 1% rate would be 1,000 people (if I did my math right) and that would equal $400,000 in phone losses. If they were writing off $50 handsets like the Lumia 521, they would only be writing off $50,000... That's a big difference.
    It just doesn't strike me that this behavior is all that frequent. One would think that there are few that would buy a "new phone" from someone other than the retailer at prices over or close to retail. It would also be hard to imagine that many people would ding their credit for such a lame one time stunt.

    My main argument is that T-Mobile has a nice phone with the 925 and really doesn't need a "monster high end phone" but should have done all they could to have stocked a 32gb variant of the 925 for the fairly sizeable amount of us that balked at the 925 because of its storage situation.
    Last edited by b23h; 12-04-2013 at 09:39 PM.
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    12-04-2013 04:30 PM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Haven't checked in in a while...long story short, my 810 and HD2 were both stolen from me, leaving me with my broken HD7. T-Mobile wants $150 for a replacement for an EOL'd phone, or buy something else...as I much as I love WP and loathe Android, I might be getting the Note 3 today...Microsoft and T-Mobile need to get it together with the updates and high end phones only going to AT&T while T-Mobile basks in the sunlight of cheap, stripped down phones that don't get supported because they don't sell. If they can get their act together, I'll be more than happy to return to WP...good luck to everyone still holding down the fort, I hope you get the updates that you deserve.

    (before AT&T is suggested, I'm not switching carriers just to get a good phone that won't be updated by AT&T)
    Dr, sorry to hear about that. Perhaps i can suggest an unlocked device? ExpansysUSA has some very good prices...
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    12-04-2013 08:29 PM
  19. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Would T-Mo replace it with the 925 or a refurb 810? It might be worth it to snag a 925... Or just grab one of the 521's on sale right now for $79...
    I think he bought his outright, so he mat be screwed there. I'd suggest either grabbing a 521 or going the unlocked route...for that same $250 with contract for a note 3, you could snag a 8X, 820 or Ativ S outright...
    12-04-2013 08:48 PM
  20. Dr_8820's Avatar
    I paid for my 810 at launch and for the $150 that T-Mobile wants for a replacement, that's too much. I decided on the Note 3 because I actually had 3 phones taken, and one was a Sprint G3. I don't want to leave WP, but Microsoft with WP and T-Mobile leaves too much to be desired, I've been rolling with MS since the Treo 700WX and I'm tired of short changing myself just to stay with WP...I can go to AT&T and get a great phone, but then join others upset that AT&T hasn't rolled out updates or stay with T-Mobile and continue to get the stripped down version of the phone. Bottom line is I need a new phone, and the 521 and 925 won't cut it for me anymore.
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    12-04-2013 10:34 PM
  21. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I paid for my 810 at launch and for the $150 that T-Mobile wants for a replacement, that's too much. I decided on the Note 3 because I actually had 3 phones taken, and one was a Sprint G3. I don't want to leave WP, but Microsoft with WP and T-Mobile leaves too much to be desired, I've been rolling with MS since the Treo 700WX and I'm tired of short changing myself just to stay with WP...I can go to AT&T and get a great phone, but then join others upset that AT&T hasn't rolled out updates or stay with T-Mobile and continue to get the stripped down version of the phone. Bottom line is I need a new phone, and the 521 and 925 won't cut it for me anymore.
    Well, sorry to see you go. For those reasons is why I went unlocked and I'm not looking back. Enjoy the Note 3, as it is very good hardware...
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    12-05-2013 12:35 AM
  22. b23h's Avatar
    Dr_8820,

    Definitely sorry to see you go given how long you've been with WP. I can easily imagine being unhappy with T-Mobile's history of more or less abandoning WP phones, and I've had less experience with it than you (although I seem to be getting a feel for the experience myself). I am also sorry to see you go when we are really starting to see some momentum in both number of users and in significant first party apps. Finally it's too bad you won't have a WP device when 8.1 hits. Not that the 810 will necessarily get it even though 8.1 will hit within eighteen months of the 810's release. I will be very curious as to what 8.1 will bring.

    Of course nothing is permanent and I hope you will rejoin us after a brief interregnum/fling with your Note 3...
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    12-05-2013 09:26 AM
  23. metalchick719's Avatar
    Haven't checked in in a while...long story short, my 810 and HD2 were both stolen from me, leaving me with my broken HD7. T-Mobile wants $150 for a replacement for an EOL'd phone, or buy something else...as I much as I love WP and loathe Android, I might be getting the Note 3 today...Microsoft and T-Mobile need to get it together with the updates and high end phones only going to AT&T while T-Mobile basks in the sunlight of cheap, stripped down phones that don't get supported because they don't sell. If they can get their act together, I'll be more than happy to return to WP...good luck to everyone still holding down the fort, I hope you get the updates that you deserve.

    (before AT&T is suggested, I'm not switching carriers just to get a good phone that won't be updated by AT&T)
    Eh. That sucks. Why not just get an unlocked Rogers 920 or another unlocked Rogers WP?
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    12-05-2013 04:25 PM
  24. Dr_8820's Avatar
    Thanks for the kinds words from everyone. @metalchick, I was going to get one but I need a SD slot. I didn't pull the trigger yet on the Note because this $99 Dell Venue Pro looks very good to me...and even though I have unlimited, no throttling data with no hotspot, it's working on my HD7..hmm..:)
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    12-08-2013 09:44 AM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Thanks for the kinds words from everyone. @metalchick, I was going to get one but I need a SD slot. I didn't pull the trigger yet on the Note because this $99 Dell Venue Pro looks very good to me...and even though I have unlimited, no throttling data with no hotspot, it's working on my HD7..hmm..:)
    that's why you get an unlocked model. for instance, when I didn't have the tethering on t-mo plan, I used to drop my SIM card in my Nexus. It should work the same too.
    12-08-2013 12:41 PM
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