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  1. smurfercom's Avatar
    im sticking with the 810 because I really do like it and ill wait till 8.1 comes out to see if any T-Mobile phones come with Micro sd slot
    Yea I'm starting to think along the same lines, but the path of Nokia doesn't look very good either. It seems they are dead set against SD support for their mid range devices. If so then give us real storage instead of chiseling us with gimped internal storage. 120 gigs isn't out of the question especially with HD video and Hi res photo's along with maps and music. Tough call on my end... do I keep the gimped 925 or return it and hope and prey for something that will fit my needs.
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    01-21-2014 01:17 AM
  2. worldspy99's Avatar
    Yea I'm starting to think along the same lines, but the path of Nokia doesn't look very good either. It seems they are dead set against SD support for their mid range devices. If so then give us real storage instead of chiseling us with gimped internal storage. 120 gigs isn't out of the question especially with HD video and Hi res photo's along with maps and music. Tough call on my end... do I keep the gimped 925 or return it and hope and prey for something that will fit my needs.
    I'll keep the 810 till it dies...but I am looking forward to deciding between the 920 (Pentaband LTE 32GB) vs HTC 8X (T-Mo 4G 16GB)...decisions decisions. I'll keep one, sell the other one and get a Moto G just for grins...
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    01-21-2014 02:00 AM
  3. smurfercom's Avatar
    Well the 925 went back to tmob today and the mighty 810 is back in the field. Yea eating crow for 50.00 restock fee is a real pisser on their end, now I just have to wait and see if anybody will make a phone with min 32 gig internal, and SD slot. Doesn't the 929 look alot like our 810's but with better hardware under the hood? And if it is the same as the 810 dimension wise why on earth did they leave out SD slot again! As thick and hefty as the unit is no excuse to deny the 929 plenty of room to double stack the cards like the 810 and bing! true winner.... As sahib said run it till you kill it and hopefully by 2016 there will be real phones with real storage. Will only buy global unlockers from now on.
    01-21-2014 04:01 PM
  4. b23h's Avatar
    Well the 925 went back to tmob today and the mighty 810 is back in the field. Yea eating crow for 50.00 restock fee is a real pisser on their end, now I just have to wait and see if anybody will make a phone with min 32 gig internal, and SD slot. Doesn't the 929 look alot like our 810's but with better hardware under the hood? And if it is the same as the 810 dimension wise why on earth did they leave out SD slot again! As thick and hefty as the unit is no excuse to deny the 929 plenty of room to double stack the cards like the 810 and bing! true winner.... As sahib said run it till you kill it and hopefully by 2016 there will be real phones with real storage. Will only buy global unlockers from now on.
    We are clearly looking for the same type phone. Yes, the 929 looks like a great device except that it lacks the SD card slot. I'd love to see a global unlocked version of something like the 929 but with a SD card slot. At this point, a phone like that would be my dream device.
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    01-21-2014 04:24 PM
  5. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Well the 925 went back to tmob today and the mighty 810 is back in the field. Yea eating crow for 50.00 restock fee is a real pisser on their end, now I just have to wait and see if anybody will make a phone with min 32 gig internal, and SD slot. Doesn't the 929 look alot like our 810's but with better hardware under the hood? And if it is the same as the 810 dimension wise why on earth did they leave out SD slot again! As thick and hefty as the unit is no excuse to deny the 929 plenty of room to double stack the cards like the 810 and bing! true winner.... As sahib said run it till you kill it and hopefully by 2016 there will be real phones with real storage. Will only buy global unlockers from now on.
    well after the 810 is unusable I will go the global variant instead of a carrier variant just because I don't have any faith in carriers and updates
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    01-21-2014 10:17 PM
  6. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    Very briefly:

    I just got off the phone with a Nokia rep (who said she got my email from Mr. Elop), and she assured me--several times--that the 810 will get the Black update. She had no idea when, other than soon, but that it will be included in the "gradual" roll-out of Black. She had no idea why the web page says what it says, but that they were being very careful with the roll-out.
    She apologized about the 920 tethering issue, "things like that sometimes happen with unlocked phones." And was very interested in the rumors about T-Mobile being possibly not being interested in high-end Lumia (sounded very much like news to her).
    Obviously she does not know WTF she is talking about because
    it's official NOKIA has already decided (two weeks ago) not to support the 810, it's not even T Mobile.

    T-Mobile Lumia 810 Will Not Receive Nokia Lumia Black Update
    Last edited by Mr Lebowski; 01-23-2014 at 11:25 PM.
    01-23-2014 07:45 PM
  7. froi francisco's Avatar
    Obviously she does not know WTF she is talking about because
    it's official NOKIA has already decided (two weeks ago) not to support the 810, it's not even T Mobile.

    T-Mobile Lumia 810 Will Not Receive Nokia Lumia Black Update
    no one has YET confirmed this. nokia site even says that L810 is compatible to "black" not unless they will issue an official statement which is also not YET happening. so why not just release it? i don't think it is nokia / MS whose holding the update...
    01-24-2014 06:19 AM
  8. b23h's Avatar
    no one has YET confirmed this. nokia site even says that L810 is compatible to "black" not unless they will issue an official statement which is also not YET happening. so why not just release it? i don't think it is nokia / MS whose holding the update...
    I don't really know the process between OEM and carrier as far as which phones will get firmware updates, but I assume that the OEM approaches the carrier and asks for compensation to write the update. So I tend to agree with froi francisco, I doubt it is Nokia/MS that is holding Black back from the 810. That kind of stunt smells like T-Mobile to me....
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    01-24-2014 09:45 AM
  9. Guzzler3's Avatar
    From what I've been able to research about phone firmware update and such, the process is:

    1. The manufacturer develops the firmware and does initial testing.
    2. The manufacturer then sends the firmware to the carrier.
    3. The carrier does it's own internal testing.
    4. If bugs are found or customization is needed the information is sent back to the manufacturer and changes are made by the manufacturer.
    5. When the carrier is satisfied with the firmware, it is then pushed to the phone.


    Later the manufacturer may find a firmware bug on their own, or wants to add some feature so the software on the phone can use that feature, the process starts over. I have never heard of a manufacturer charging a carrier for updates/changes.

    It is the CARRIER that makes the final decision on whether or not the phone gets the firmware update. There are many stories on the net that relate that the manufacturers send multiple firmware updates for various phones to the carriers, but the carriers won't send them out to the phones.

    The closest analogy I can think of how stupid this is, would be: You bought a MS Surface tablet and MS creates a new firmware for your network card, but it has to be OK'd by your ISP before you can install it. You can get the O/S updates and everything else updated, but not the NIC firmware since your ISP is worried that the firmware will 'break' their network.
    01-24-2014 12:20 PM
  10. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    ^ ^^ Although an interesting primer on updates, it looks like NOKIA didn't even develop the firmware update for the 810
    so in the end it doesn't matter how the process unfolds -for 810 owners,
    you're not only EOL, you're SOL.
    01-24-2014 02:09 PM
  11. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Mr. Lebowski,

    If you bothered to look through all the regions and the phone models, there were several that were initially marked as "Not Available", then "Coming soon", then they gradually changed to "Waiting for approval", and eventually set as "Available" on the exact same model phone that was approved on a different carrier. This is an example of Nokia showing the carriers going through their approval process.

    Our only hope is that we might get the next firmware, as again if you look through all the regions/phone list, there were a couple that did not get the "Amber" update, but did get the "Black" update. We can only hope, but I am doubtful.

    I did call and request my unlock code today.
    Last edited by Guzzler3; 01-24-2014 at 03:51 PM.
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    01-24-2014 03:34 PM
  12. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    I am going to hold out hope for the next update, but at this point I've made peace with my 810.
    01-24-2014 03:56 PM
  13. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    Nokia Care @NokiaHelps on Twitter says "We'd be grateful for your understanding our position on this matter" in a reply to that link sent to them.
    Y'all can continue to wait and hope and pray for a second chance at a bite of the apple if you like,
    but why would they provide the next update, when they didn't provide the current one ?
    01-24-2014 05:02 PM
  14. b23h's Avatar
    Thank you Mr. Lebowski for your kind consideration and empathy for the pain that 810 owners are going through. Some people paid good money for the 810 only to have T-Mobile abandon it like they've abandoned so many other WP devices before. If some people want to hold out hope for continued support for the 810 while at the same time realizing that it is likely hopeless, that is up to them.

    You seem like a very kind and graceful fellow, one that allows people to work their issues through without unnecessary hectoring. No wait, I've got that wrong don't I. Isn't there a freeway that you can play on or somewhere else you can dispense your grace?
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    01-24-2014 05:38 PM
  15. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    Thank you Mr. Lebowski for your kind consideration and empathy for the pain that 810 owners are going through. Some people paid good money for the 810 only to have T-Mobile abandon it like they've abandoned so many other WP devices before. If some people want to hold out hope for continued support for the 810 while at the same time realizing that it is likely hopeless, that is up to them.

    You seem like a very kind and graceful fellow, one that allows people to work their issues through without unnecessary hectoring. No wait, I've got that wrong don't I. Isn't there a freeway that you can play on or somewhere else you can dispense your grace?
    I'm in the same situation, but I'm realistic that's all -how much proof does anyone need ? God telling you "it's over" ?
    01-24-2014 06:00 PM
  16. b23h's Avatar
    I'm in the same situation, but I'm realistic that's all -how much proof does anyone need ? God telling you "it's over" ?
    Apparently you fail to understand or value grace. One of the aspects of acting with grace is to allow others to come to their own conclusions on matters that are not critical to others or yourself. In like fashion what people consider "proof" about continued OTA support from T-Mobile or Nokia for the 810 is really up to them to decide.

    I came to the decision that the writing was on the wall for the 810 back in April or so of last year. So yea, my conclusion is that it is likely that there will be no more OTA updates for the 810. But I am certainly not talking about "God telling you" or "proof", that's graceless...

    So you've decided that there will be no further 810 OTA updates and I concur that is likely. However being less than charming about how you present your opinions may be something you may want to attend to.
    01-24-2014 06:48 PM
  17. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    Apparently you fail to understand or value grace. One of the aspects of acting with grace is to allow others to come to their own conclusions on matters that are not critical to others or yourself. In like fashion what people consider "proof" about continued OTA support from T-Mobile or Nokia for the 810 is really up to them to decide.

    I came to the decision that the writing was on the wall for the 810 back in April or so of last year. So yea, my conclusion is that it is likely that there will be no more OTA updates for the 810. But I am certainly not talking about "God telling you" or "proof", that's graceless...

    So you've decided that there will be no further 810 OTA updates and I concur that is likely. However being less than charming about how you present your opinions may be something you may want to attend to.
    I really don't care to play games or pretend and could care less what you think,
    other than you have every right to think and say what you want.
    Good Luck
    01-24-2014 07:03 PM
  18. b23h's Avatar
    I really don't care to play games or pretend and could care less what you think,
    other than you have every right to think and say what you want.
    Good Luck
    Oh Mr. Lebowski, your retorts are so WITHERING!!! Your talk about "games or pretend" is weak and nonsensical and given that I am mocking you, be assured I too care less about what you think. You are probably one of those people that think that "freedom of speech" is an intrinsic right, that it is an end in itself. Well that's a common rookie mistake. Freedom of speech is a means to an end, the end being an approximation of truth. That is you don't have the right to just open your gaping maw and dump your opinion on others because you can, but rather that through all those expressing their opinion society can come to an approximation of truth via a "marketplace of ideas." Are you still with me, or am I just wasting my time talking to you. I vote for the latter. In any case you've made your opinion heard and so your job here is done. Thank you and I appreciate your good wishes.
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    01-24-2014 08:10 PM
  19. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Mr. Lebowski,

    If you bothered to look through all the regions and the phone models, there were several that were initially marked as "Not Available", then "Coming soon", then they gradually changed to "Waiting for approval", and eventually set as "Available" on the exact same model phone that was approved on a different carrier. This is an example of Nokia showing the carriers going through their approval process.

    Our only hope is that we might get the next firmware, as again if you look through all the regions/phone list, there were a couple that did not get the "Amber" update, but did get the "Black" update. We can only hope, but I am doubtful.

    I did call and request my unlock code today.
    You do have a point ...I saw that too that some didn't get amber but are in the process of getting black ...maybe ....tmobile figures that is not worth spending money to test and approve of the black update so they will wait for windows 8.1 to use that money to pass that update ...... wishful thinking ......but its a possibility
    01-24-2014 08:25 PM
  20. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. (for not caring you're spending a lot of time writing as though it matters) 💃
    01-24-2014 08:34 PM
  21. froi francisco's Avatar
    You do have a point ...I saw that too that some didn't get amber but are in the process of getting black ...maybe ....tmobile figures that is not worth spending money to test and approve of the black update so they will wait for windows 8.1 to use that money to pass that update ...... wishful thinking ......but its a possibility
    wishful thinking indeed... specially that rumors are saying, 8.1 is about less than 3 months from now.. Mary Jo Foley: Windows Phone 8.1 may come in April | WMPoweruser
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    01-25-2014 01:50 AM
  22. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Regardless... I'm quite happy after they fixed the storage issue. As far as first smartphones go I'm sure I could have done worse. Worst case I'll just recreate the scene from 2001.
    01-25-2014 02:41 AM
  23. Lumis90's Avatar
    Well you wrote as tho' it was recent ( the below was on the 9th) and "he" expedited it (which according to you was the very same day the 9 th) , HE doesn't open his emails unless of course you have his personal account and no corporation publishes that and no CEO (when he was at NOKIA) does either, can you image all the request and rants a CEO would get?, an assistant reads emails addresses to "him" and sends ones that they seem worthy of reading to him possibly, usually the assistant just replies with his OK



    and you want us/me to believe that any corporation /CEO would not only read your email but expedite it the very same evening of the day you sent it ? So Elop read your email on the 9th "I just sent it" and that evening of the 9th the same day you sent it, the below happened ?



    Let us all know when a new Lumia comes out will ya ?
    dude, remember when Microsoft announced that they're buying Nokia? I wrote an email that day to elop and I got a response from him personally, not some assistant.
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    01-25-2014 03:16 AM
  24. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    dude, remember when Microsoft announced that they're buying Nokia? I wrote an email that day to elop and I got a response from him personally, not some assistant.
    cool
    Last edited by Mr Lebowski; 01-26-2014 at 12:39 AM.
    01-25-2014 03:47 PM
  25. riffraffy's Avatar
    Yes I do believe he read my email. It wasn't a "new" email I sent him. I actually sent a reply to him from an email he responded to last year concerning my 920. Elop does read his own email. There are numerous examples on this forum.
    "Many were impressed he (Elop) answered 10 to 20 emails from customers each day.

    "He is a nice guy. Everyone liked him. That's his strength," said one former Nokia employee who worked closely with Elop and asked not to be named. "He is very down-to-earth, he answers all of his email. His communication skills are very good, but he has got a sense for the dramatic.""


    Savior or slayer? Either way, Nokia's Elop a contender for Microsoft chief | Reuters

    https://www.google.com/search?q=step...ponds+to+email
    https://www.google.com/search?q=step...plied+to+email

    Anyway...
    This is my last post in the 810 forum. I'm moving up to a 925, and so away from this thread. Good luck all (or, almost all...).
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    01-25-2014 11:25 PM
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