09-16-2013 09:54 PM
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  1. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    I just bought 2/ 1950mAh batteries with a wall charger, that I like. $16.98 w/ shipping
    Basically factory batteries, of course. 1800mah? 1950mah? Who's to really say? Might just be hype. Even if not, that's only an 8% increase. Any phone user whose phone has removable batteries and doesn't have a stand alone charger and some spares is a fool. Even if you can charge when and where you want, can you leave your phone unattended for five hours? (True story: Guy recently reported to police that someone stole his CD player - or something - as he left it in the library to charge. DOH!)
    08-25-2013 08:23 AM
  2. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Power consumption of Glance:

    The bottom line: It effectively doubles standby power usage.

    I just did a one hour standby test and time remaining is 2 days and 4 hours. W/o Glance, I used to get right around 4 days.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: This is with my 2500mah battery that I've mentioned on this forum. With the factory 1800mah battery, your times would be about 1 day and 13 hours and just under 3 days.

    If you charge every day and you like Glance, leave it on. If you need to stretch your battery life, turn it off.
    Last edited by Paul Verizzo; 08-25-2013 at 12:01 PM.
    08-25-2013 08:30 AM
  3. MrTofu's Avatar
    Where did u get this battery? It fits the 810?
    08-25-2013 09:16 AM
  4. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Where did u get this battery? It fits the 810?
    eBay, where else? Yes, that's why I'm in the 810 forum.
    08-25-2013 12:01 PM
  5. PB_H's Avatar
    Basically factory batteries, of course. 1800mah? 1950mah? Who's to really say? Might just be hype. Even if not, that's only an 8% increase. Any phone user whose phone has removable batteries and doesn't have a stand alone charger and some spares is a fool. Even if you can charge when and where you want, can you leave your phone unattended for five hours? (True story: Guy recently reported to police that someone stole his CD player - or something - as he left it in the library to charge. DOH!)
    For 2.5 months I've looked for a stand alone charger for the 810/822 battery and this is the first I've seen, and I know how to search.
    but yeah who knows if they are actually 2500mAh or 1950mAh the price is right -except for the battery you bought which is now -$30. shipping ? nuts
    08-25-2013 02:00 PM
  6. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    For 2.5 months I've looked for a stand alone charger for the 810/822 battery and this is the first I've seen, and I know how to search.
    but yeah who knows if they are actually 2500mAh or 1950mAh the price is right -except for the battery you bought which is now -$30. shipping ? nuts
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    When I bought a new stand alone charger and some batteries for a recently acquired C7, the charger was exactly like one I already had. Unlike the chargers that have a depression just like one's phone and is battery size specific, these chargers are Nokia universal. They have a spring loaded clamping mechanism. The downside is that they are very sensitive to being bumped or knocked, and the battery flies out. OTOH, the same charger works on batteries for my (sold) E90. the C7, and the 810.
    08-25-2013 08:41 PM
  7. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Power consumption of Glance:

    The bottom line: It effectively doubles standby power usage.

    I just did a one hour standby test and time remaining is 2 days and 4 hours. W/o Glance, I used to get right around 4 days.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: This is with my 2500mah battery that I've mentioned on this forum. With the factory 1800mah battery, your times would be about 1 day and 13 hours and just under 3 days.

    If you charge every day and you like Glance, leave it on. If you need to stretch your battery life, turn it off.
    Upon rereading a number of posts, I'm not sure if the increased battery consumption is due to Glance or the Six Tap feature. What a jerk off. I'll try another standby test with the Six Tap off.
    08-25-2013 08:48 PM
  8. BfnC's Avatar
    I too am experiencing horrible battery life after the update. I have now reset for the 3rd time and this time turned virtually everything off and did not install any apps, no default installed app updates done, no Glance, no double tap. Battery life was spectacular for the first 5 hours, battery saver (which was not turned on) said 100% remaining after 4 hours of light-moderate use, 99% remaining after 5 hours. I was using the phone mostly just to read emails and a couple of websites - wifi was on with a hidden network but did not enable "Keep Wi-Fi on when the screen times out", bluetooth was on briefly. After 5 hours, the phone began to get warm and battery life rapidly decreased - it rapidly dropped to 64% remaining, then 20%, then dead in the course of 2 hours, nearly all standby.

    With the next overnight recharge, i turned everything off except cellular - no tap & send, no wi-fi, no bluetooth. Battery life looked OK for the first 2 hours, then the battery got warm and it was dead in 2 hours with no phone usage, only light data usage again. It's possible my battery decided to go but these issues only started after the Amber update and the fact it seems good then suddenly goes off a cliff seems odd.

    This only started after the Amber update - going to head to the store tomorrow to get an official complaint logged and see if I can get another phone to see if it's any different.

    one note: I do have the wireless charging back installed - I have tried charging via plug and wireless, no difference noticed either way
    Last edited by BfnC; 08-27-2013 at 01:36 PM.
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    08-27-2013 01:04 PM
  9. PB_H's Avatar
    100% after 4 hours of moderate use, 99% after 5 and battery saver not turned on ? WOW !!!
    You should have contacted Guinness that sounds like something they would have included it the Guinness Book of World Records
    too bad you didn't then we could all read about it.
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    08-27-2013 02:49 PM
  10. BfnC's Avatar
    100% after 4 hours of moderate use, 99% after 5 and battery saver not turned on ? WOW !!!
    You should have contacted Guinness that sounds like something they would have included it the Guinness Book of World Records
    too bad you didn't then we could all read about it.
    appropriate sarcasm noted... I'm thinking battery % was obviously off but it happened, screenshot below

    another test update - put in airplane mode at about 35% remaining earlier today, battery drain continued and it died after 2 hours... so wondering if battery is an issue but again, issues only started after Amber update
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    08-27-2013 10:16 PM
  11. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Power saving mode has no effect on anything until the battery gets low. The default on my E73 was 15%. Don't recall on WP if that is adjustable, I just have PS turned off.

    It's just a last gasp to extend battery life when the needle is closing in on E.
    08-30-2013 10:55 AM
  12. Guzzler3's Avatar
    I really wish there was some sort of diagnostic app to help figure out what's going on. I have email Nokia about the issue, sadly they just kept recommending the standard stuff, reset the phone, turn off glace, double tap to wake, minimize background processes, etc. etc. etc., if all that fails, send the phone in for repair.

    I've been going through all the steps, one at a time trying to see what might be the cause. I might have found the issue. I think it might be the push email from my Microsoft account. I changed it from "as items arrives" to "15 minutes", and things have gotten better.

    So, anyone else that is having issues please give that setting a try for a couple of days and report back.
    08-31-2013 09:35 AM
  13. eugie's Avatar
    Sysapps pusher after reset the phone back all ur settings to up to date..disconnect xbox f u don't need it,block apps that run in background, turn off location, set 30 s backlight,uninstall apps that u can't block 2 run in background..
    08-31-2013 09:53 AM
  14. BfnC's Avatar
    Update: after talking to Customer Care and 2nd level tech support, got a replacement phone Thursday. After a full charge with the new phone with old battery, battery life was back to normal - still going strong after 3 days, even with Glance enabled, WiFi running after timeout, etc. Appeared to be hardware-related, at least for me. Only change was phone body, still using same battery and wireless charging back.

    edit: other variable is the OTA update from previous phone, new phone came with the updates
    Last edited by BfnC; 09-01-2013 at 12:17 PM.
    09-01-2013 08:41 AM
  15. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Ok,

    I've done another reset. This time I didn't do a restore from a backup. I just entered all my email address, facebook, etc. accounts. I've also held back on the following updates:
    Feedback to Nokia
    Storage Check
    Nokia Account
    Accessories
    Audio
    Display+touch
    Extras+info

    I've left OFF double tap, and glance, Bluetooth, tap+send
    I've left ON Wi-Fi, Location

    So far, so good. Battery life is back to being normal. I've even gotten most of my old apps that run in the background running again (Battery, Bing News, Weather, HERE City Lens, HERE Drive+, Weave News Reader, Skype). Sure they drain the battery, but it's acceptable.

    I can see with the Battery app, that when the phone goes into standby, the consumption is back to zero.

    I'm going to leave things as-is for a couple of days and keep track of battery usage, then install the Nokia updates one at a time, and let things sit each time and again keep track of power consumption. Maybe it's one of the updates that's messing things up.
    09-03-2013 09:23 PM
  16. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Not an excuse, but we have to remember that these devices are made in the many millions and as much as we would like to think otherwise, there are lemons. If someone make 5 million XYZ phones, and only one tenth of one tenth percent of them are buggy, that's still 5000 units that need repair

    Any you own one!
    09-03-2013 09:39 PM
  17. Guzzler3's Avatar
    WTH?

    Where did you get that I'm making an excuse? I'm just doing due diligence in trying to find the root cause of an issue. It may not be a hardware issue. It could be some bad code in the above updates. It could be bad registry setting, that wasn't an issue in the old firmware, but causes issues in the new firmware. Or something else completely.
    09-04-2013 10:01 AM
  18. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    WTH?

    Where did you get that I'm making an excuse? I'm just doing due diligence in trying to find the root cause of an issue. It may not be a hardware issue. It could be some bad code in the above updates. It could be bad registry setting, that wasn't an issue in the old firmware, but causes issues in the new firmware. Or something else completely.
    Brush up on your language skills, Guzzler. I didn't say that you are making an excuse, I'm proposing a rational, experienced reason that you might be having problems. Whatever the actual cause, and there can be thousands in a complicated device like a smartphone, you, nor anyone else will ever know. Why is my Double Tap so bad, yet others have few problems, and some, none at all. Answer: Product variability.
    09-06-2013 04:23 PM
  19. PB_H's Avatar
    ^ ^^ "Nuances" in language are often missed and misinterpreted in plain text on forums

    1. A subtle or slight degree of difference, as in meaning, feeling, or tone; a gradation.
    2. Expression or appreciation of subtle shades of meaning, feeling, or tone: a rich artistic performance, full of nuance.
    09-06-2013 08:45 PM
  20. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    ^ ^^ "Nuances" in language are often missed and misinterpreted in plain text on forums

    1. A subtle or slight degree of difference, as in meaning, feeling, or tone; a gradation.
    2. Expression or appreciation of subtle shades of meaning, feeling, or tone: a rich artistic performance, full of nuance.
    Amen, PB_H! As a certifified Grammar Gestapo, I am slapped upside the head every day with reading posts, or whatever, that suffer from gross misinterpretation. I am a participant and moderator on a very active neighborhood email newsgroup. It's amazing. Once I posted my opinion that most neighbors wouldn't really care about a certain matter, and one person was so insulted that she told me she would never forget my transgression. Of course, as events unfolded, no one cared.

    Hanging around here for maybe six weeks, I do want to tell you that of many posters here, you are well grounded. Even when you beat me up once, ha ha, yes, you were right.
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    09-06-2013 09:11 PM
  21. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Ok, things are still good after the factory reset, and NO restore from previous image. I have all the current patches finally installed and all my previous (and then some) apps reinstalled. Also all the background apps are allowed to run freely. No more are the high discharge rates with the phone in standby.

    I've been able to go a full day with serious usage (Web browsing, Music, phone calls, etc.) without having to recharge mid way through. Although playing Angry Birds is what I've found to suck the most power now. Fortunately I don't play it that much, just when I'm really bored and have caught up on all my browsing ;)

    I still haven't turned on Glance or double tap to wake though. I don't find Glance that useful, but I do miss the double tap to wake. I might turn that back on eventually, as I really do appreciate that feature.

    I have a feeling that in the restore images there was a registry setting that just wasn't compatible with the new version. Sadly I can't really confirm this, since there isn't away to delve into the registry or anything else for that matter. But that's life.
    09-13-2013 04:42 PM
  22. wiseguywood's Avatar
    I turned off Glance (peek) for now, didn't use double tap to wake, battery seems much better.
    09-14-2013 11:24 AM
  23. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Glance and Double Double tap take virtually no power. I have both on and my standard battery will run four days on standby. 2G data, wifi on, all live apps running.
    09-16-2013 09:27 AM
  24. wiseguywood's Avatar
    Paul, I wish could say the same, but when I turned off glance, my phone is at 50% and I've been running all day, just about 16 hours.

    Maybe glance was coming on repeatedly in my pocket.
    09-16-2013 05:55 PM
  25. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    Paul, I wish could say the same, but when I turned off glance, my phone is at 50% and I've been running all day, just about 16 hours.

    Maybe glance was coming on repeatedly in my pocket.
    The only time my Glance screen is off is when it's in a case. Which isn't often. Sort of 22/7?

    In all these battery discussions on this forum, I've been trying to get peeps to understand that to compare anything, one has to start at standby. User A saying, "I use the phone sometimes, a lot of music, blah blah," completely screws up any baseline. A user on 4G and Facebook and GPs will suck a battery fast. I never use GPS or Facebook, and I have almost no data desires, so I'm using 2G. With sporadic phone use and texts, one should get four days from the battery.
    09-16-2013 09:54 PM
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