02-03-2012 09:50 AM
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  1. Premium1's Avatar
    I skiped it because I don't disagree that it was good n simple..

    And yes wm n palm was in competition.... I was a front line rep when the first iPhone came out..... I think I know!!! Lol

    BTW, all ur doing right now, is discrediting your self .. Not helping your wpcentral reputation..... Do your self a favor n don't talk about things you don't really know. .... That's why I never post in the the DEV section.. I know verry little about it.



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    Ha OK whatever you say. You being a front line rep or not doesn't change anything. Like I said apple made it easier and simpler. Same reason PDAs and the likes went by the wayside.@winning guy yes I was buying phones back in the Treo days I don't consider that competition. Maybe you and the other guy do but this is one time we will agree to disagree.
    01-19-2012 04:35 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    Ha OK whatever you say. You being a front line rep or not doesn't change anything. Like I said apple made it easier and simpler. Same reason PDAs and the likes went by the wayside.@winning guy yes I was buying phones back in the Treo days I don't consider that competition. Maybe you and the other guy do but this is one time we will agree to disagree.
    I think it's probably because we're defining "competition" differently.

    We consider it competition because the market was already owned by these players. And Apple was coming into their realm to compete against them.

    You may not consider it competition because they were so soundly trounced by Apple. And we won't argue with that aspect. Their butts were kicked.

    So, the existence of competitors who already dominated the market is why we say there was competition. At the time, there was no way to tell if Apple, with their different focus, would be able to beat them by actually growing the market instead of fighting for the small existing market. But in hindsight, after knowing the results, it looks like there was no real competition. But just because you completely trounce your opponent doesn't mean that you didn't have an opponent.
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    01-19-2012 04:43 PM
  3. Premium1's Avatar
    I think it's probably because we're defining "competition" differently.

    We consider it competition because the market was already owned by these players. And Apple was coming into their realm to compete against them.

    You may not consider it competition because they were so soundly trounced by Apple. And we won't argue with that aspect. Their butts were kicked.

    So, the existence of competitors who already dominated the market is why we say there was competition. At the time, there was no way to tell if Apple, with their different focus, would be able to beat them by actually growing the market instead of fighting for the small existing market. But in hindsight, after knowing the results, it looks like there was no real competition. But just because you completely trounce your opponent doesn't mean that you didn't have an opponent.
    I do agree about looking at the word "competition" differently. Just because the others were already in the market does not necessarily mean they are competition but I understand that is how you interpreted it as.
    01-19-2012 04:49 PM
  4. Reflexx's Avatar
    I do agree about looking at the word "competition" differently. Just because the others were already in the market does not necessarily mean they are competition but I understand that is how you interpreted it as.
    Yeah. I am a former Marketing Manager and am thus pretty competitive. So I tend not to underestimate or dismiss competitors.
    01-19-2012 05:08 PM
  5. nyc_rock's Avatar
    Garment you are entitled to your opinion and analysis of Nokia. You may be right and you may be wrong only time will tell. Most of his prefer to remain optimistic of the future of WP, Microsoft and Nokia. I am one of the later group and will continue to be.
    I aboslutely remain optomistic on the future of WP. Nokia, I am not convinced. Samsung and HTC are entrenched competitors who's already released hardware is equal to or better than the Lumia on many fronts. And the issue here is that they are also entrenched in Android where they are selling millions of units. So if Samsung releases a phone that doesnt meet sales expectations on WP, they can offset the loss through thier successful other businesses. Not for ever mind you, but certainly enough time to come back with a better product. Nokia needs a winner and they need a winner with the Lumia series. Which is the point I have been trying to make all along. Unfortunately, IMHO, I dont think the Lumia is far superior to what is already available. Which is why I call this a missed opportunity for Nokia to have done something bigger and better.
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    01-20-2012 06:04 AM
  6. nyc_rock's Avatar
    Yeah. The whole iPod thing was huge for the iPhone.

    Apple was pretty much a dominant (pretty much monopoly-level) player in the digital music market. They used that market and leveraged it to gain a competitive advantage in a different market.

    If they were treated the same way that MS was at the time, the government would have required them to remove the iTunes requirement from the iPhone. It would have been separated from the OS and the government would have required that Apple allow any music service to be installed on there. But that didn't happen to Apple, so they were able to use their monopoly power in one market to help them dominate another market.

    And unfortunately, Palm was a casualty. Palm pretty much created the category too.
    Thank GOD the goverment didnt try and do that. I think its a huge stretch to compare apple's Itunes-iphone/ipod model to MS. Apple created Itunes and had every right to lock it to thier hardware. Honestly, not sure how it would have all worked out if they had done it differntly. I always thought that Itunes could have actually been 100 times bigger (scary thought right?) had Apple made it work with every digitial device. But how many less Iphones/Ipods would they have sold?
    01-20-2012 06:11 AM
  7. kylej1050's Avatar
    And I disagree about 99% of customers being ok with 16gb. I would say its more like 60%.
    My Arrive has 16GB and currently has 13.09GB free. Most of that is games and photos. I use it for a few songs but I've found that I end up not wanting to listen to the songs I have more than a couple times so I don't bother loading on the phone anymore.

    Videos I load for traveling but that's about it. For me, 32GB is a little crazy, especially with movies only taking 400 or so megs each.
    01-30-2012 10:09 PM
  8. ChristianKing's Avatar
    I'd prefer a 32GB Lumia 900, but honestly, the first post is a bunch of crying. I filled up my Titan fairly easily and skydrive with low res pics isnt really what it should be. However, once I stoped thinking how I just wanted 32GB, I got the bright idea to remove some of the 2000 songs that I really don't love but carry around just for the **** of it. Low and behold, My Titan magically was sufficient.

    A 32GB Lumia 900 is comming if it sales half way decent. However, based on the price points that are rumored, 95% of potential clients wouldn't opt for it day one. That means you sale to 95% and let the other dedicated, very vocal and somewhat disgruntled 5% wait it out. Good companies make money to build new products, so the dedicated, very vocal and somewhat disgruntled 5% have something to keep crying about

    :D;)
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    01-31-2012 08:56 AM
  9. jfa1's Avatar
    Indeed ChristianKing Indeed!
    01-31-2012 03:53 PM
  10. nyc_rock's Avatar
    I'd prefer a 32GB Lumia 900, but honestly, the first post is a bunch of crying. I filled up my Titan fairly easily and skydrive with low res pics isnt really what it should be. However, once I stoped thinking how I just wanted 32GB, I got the bright idea to remove some of the 2000 songs that I really don't love but carry around just for the **** of it. Low and behold, My Titan magically was sufficient.

    A 32GB Lumia 900 is comming if it sales half way decent. However, based on the price points that are rumored, 95% of potential clients wouldn't opt for it day one. That means you sale to 95% and let the other dedicated, very vocal and somewhat disgruntled 5% wait it out. Good companies make money to build new products, so the dedicated, very vocal and somewhat disgruntled 5% have something to keep crying about

    :D;)
    Actually the crying is over. Apollo will support micro SD expansion so the problem is solved. Not for those buying the Lumia 900 or course which is already outdated before its even released.
    Last edited by garment69; 02-03-2012 at 05:25 AM.
    02-02-2012 03:34 PM
  11. JedH's Avatar
    Actually the crying is over. Apollo will support micro SD expansion so the problem is solved. Not for those buying the Lumia 900 or course which is already outdated before its even released.
    Wouldn't say it's outdated, as it's not claiming to be a Windows 8 phone, which won't be out for sometime after...

    Either way, I'm glad everyone can stop their temper tantrum and we can leave the store with our groceries now.
    02-03-2012 09:50 AM
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