03-27-2012 08:23 PM
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  1. Drivingrain's Avatar
    me too. have been waiting since the day they announced the phone at CES. getting a bit anxious now
    Another day, no word...but finally the press is catching up with what we've been whining about for the last 2-3 weeks. I've seen a few articles about NOK's lack of confirmation of launch date in the last 24 hrs.
    03-01-2012 02:41 PM
  2. Drivingrain's Avatar
    Looks like governmental approval is set. That's nice. Now can we have a date NOK?

    It's Monday March 5 and nada from NOK/MSFT/ATT.

    I think the hype has been oficially killed for me.

    I am shopping for a new home A/V setup (TV/Receiver/Speakers/Gaming/everything) this weekend and all the best mid-range Denon/Pioneer/etc receivers are setup for Apple compatibility. And then there's all the other reasons to just stick with Iphone (apps, blah,blah, blah). For the first time yesterday, I am seriously considering just sticking with Apple.

    It's all compunded with a personal animous that has built up by NOK/MSFT/ATT just not giving 2 sh*ts about the 900's consumer launch date.

    My policy will be this:
    I will buy a phone on March 18. I will first go to AT&T. If the Lumia 900 is there, I will buy it. If it's not there, then I will buy whatever the latest Iphone is either at AT&T or at Sprint.

    I know Im just a speck of dust and most of you will just tell me not to have the door hit me on the way out....I get that. But man oh man, launches are important. The press is reporting March 18 as fact and NOK has not taken one opportunity to temper expectations. It may not turn out to be a PR disaster. But it's certainly a mis-step and it might cost them at least one customer; that customer in this case happens to be a CEO of a company, i.e. me, and my company is being bought by a much bigger company...i.e. I have the ability to influence a little.
    03-05-2012 08:53 AM
  3. eastbayrae's Avatar
    So if you can't find that phone on the 18th you will buy an inferior product/OS? Gratz!
    03-05-2012 09:47 AM
  4. SouthpawJosh's Avatar
    So if you can't find that phone on the 18th you will buy an inferior product/OS? Gratz!
    I was thinking the same thing. I've been waiting for a long time to UPGRADE my iPhone 3GS to a Windows Phone. I'm not getting a iPhone 4 or 4S or even waiting for the 5. I'm patiently waiting for the Nokia 900 to be released. I've waited since early January when my upgrade was due.... I can wait a little longer. I'd just be appreciative of a concrete date.
    03-05-2012 10:06 AM
  5. Drivingrain's Avatar
    Looks like governmental approval is set. That's nice. Now can we have a date NOK?
    So if you can't find that phone on the 18th you will buy an inferior product/OS? Gratz!
    On the 18th, the inferior product choice will go as follows:

    Scenario 1: Lumia 900 is in the store, so is the Iphone. I'll buy the superior product...the 900

    Scenario 2: Lumia is not in the store. The choice is the Iphone or no phone at all. Iphone is clearly superior in this particular scenario.

    This thread title says it all; NOK is killing the hype and that has some consequences to *some* (not all) potential customers.
    03-05-2012 10:06 AM
  6. SouthpawJosh's Avatar
    On the 18th, the inferior product choice will go as follows:

    This thread title says it all; NOK is killing the hype and it has some consequences to some potential customers.
    Where have you heard that March 18th is fact? You said earlier (or someone did) that the media is reporting it as fact. Everywhere I've seen it's being reported as "rumored date" because there hasn't been an official announcement yet.
    03-05-2012 10:08 AM
  7. Drivingrain's Avatar
    Where have you heard that March 18th is fact? You said earlier (or someone did) that the media is reporting it as fact. Everywhere I've seen it's being reported as "rumored date" because there hasn't been an official announcement yet.
    Yes, some (NOT ALL) have put a question mark in their headline, some have even put the word rumor in the headline. Many, many others have not:

    CNET headline: "AT&T to offer Nokia Lumia 900 for $100 on March 18"
    WPCentral headline: "Nokia Lumia 900 set for March 18th and only $99"
    BGR: "Nokia Lumia 900 launches March 18th for $99.99 on AT&T"

    There are DOZENS of articles that state it as fact in the headline and many that say March 18 or March AS FACT.

    If Im NOK, I dont let the press set this expectation. You need to step in and set the expectation properly with your customers. If it was still TBD when this rumor hit, then just say that within a week or two of the rumor starting. Yes, you like the hype if you're NOK; as a matter of fact, you like that they're writing at all. But there's a line. You dont let the press and others take your ball and run wildly with it. You need to take at least some action to control your key expectation set. That's features, pricing and timing. It's too late now for me. Im already po'd. I really hope they dont say anything through the 18th and some people show up (or better line up) at AT&T only to be told..."sorry, no phone. maybe next week".
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    03-05-2012 10:17 AM
  8. SouthpawJosh's Avatar
    Yes, some (NOT ALL) have put a question mark in their headline, some have even put the word rumor in the headline. Many, many others have not:

    CNET headline: "AT&T to offer Nokia Lumia 900 for $100 on March 18"
    WPCentral headline: "Nokia Lumia 900 set for March 18th and only $99"
    BGR: "Nokia Lumia 900 launches March 18th for $99.99 on AT&T"

    There are DOZENS of articles that state it as fact in the headline and many that say March 18 or March AS FACT.
    I can see where you are coming from, but headlines are written to get readers to read the article. I know for a FACT that the BGR article (because I read it way back when) that accompanies that headline says that it's rumored because of the documents that were indicating that date. None of which were concrete. I think it was off a road map sheet. I'm pretty sure the other sites got their info from the same road map. Those are always "subject to change".
    03-05-2012 10:55 AM
  9. SouthpawJosh's Avatar
    Also ... to be fair ... on that same road map was the HTC Titan II for a March 18th release date, and as far as I know there hasn't been confirmation or news leading to that device either.
    03-05-2012 11:01 AM
  10. Drivingrain's Avatar
    Those are always "subject to change".
    Indeed they are, but how much does that matter versus a perception that NOK has taken no action to manage?

    I started a consumer business that gets written up a bunch in blogs and elsewhere. When rumors fly about our product, price or new markets we sort of like it b/c the attention is great and the speculation has value; but the line that we do not like to cross has very little to do with the fine print or "subject to change" qualifiers.

    We take notice when perception starts solidifying about an expectation that we know we cant meet. That perception is what matters, not the fine print.

    NOK has sat back and let expectation-perception run amok. Is it the end of the world? Nope; if it is released on the 18th then NOK doing nothing about it makes perfect sense. If it's just a little later, then they'll probably recover with nothing more than a scratch. But if it does launch post 18th it shows me that they arent ready for prime time when it comes to public relations; which would concern me more if I were a shareholder than customer.

    That being said, my current phone is on its very last leg. I cant wait a day past March 18 whether I wanted to or not.
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    03-05-2012 11:14 AM
  11. SouthpawJosh's Avatar
    Indeed they are, but how much does that matter versus a perception that NOK has taken no action to manage?

    I started a consumer business that gets written up a bunch in blogs and elsewhere. When rumors fly about our product, price or new markets we sort of like it b/c the attention is great and the speculation has value; but the line that we do not like to cross has very little to do with the fine print or "subject to change" qualifiers.

    We take notice when perception starts solidifying about an expectation that we know we cant meet. That perception is what matters, not the fine print.

    NOK has sat back and let expectation-perception run amok. Is it the end of the world? Nope; if it is released on the 18th then NOK doing nothing about it makes perfect sense. If it's just a little later, then they'll probably recover with nothing more than a scratch. But if it does launch post 18th it shows me that they arent ready for prime time when it comes to public relations; which would concern me more if I were a shareholder than customer.

    That being said, my current phone is on its very last leg. I cant wait a day past March 18 whether I wanted to or not.
    All good points. My iPhone 3GS is on life support as well. Worst case scenario, I'll use my old RAZR (flip phone; not the Droid) to bridge the gap until the release.
    03-05-2012 11:17 AM
  12. thepickupbear's Avatar
    I paid to have my iPhone 4 repaired this weekend, just to keep me going long enough to last until the Lumia is released.

    I stopped in at the Microsoft store during the same trip, and they indicated what they were hopeful for is a split launch - pre-orders being satisfied on the 18th, and a wider launch later - but they didn't have any concrete info either.

    I think the one reason I really want a date is so I can plan around it! I want to be the first in line at the Microsoft Store (or AT&T - should they get it first, pre-order be damned), and that will probably require taking time off of work.
    03-05-2012 12:08 PM
  13. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    MS and partners should stop announcing junk long before they sell it. At this point, after having both the titan and the focus s (both being rather disappointing as upgrades, vs my original focus), and the wait, I have already decided to wait for wp8, rather than buy an outdated LTE phone with an abysmally low resolution, when other phones like the HTC rezound and Galaxy Nexus are running around with LTE and 720p displays.

    And who is, "NOK?" if it stands for, "Nokia," then damn we're lazy. :p


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    03-05-2012 12:13 PM
  14. thepickupbear's Avatar
    NOK is the stock symbol for Nokia, but yeah a touch lazy ;)


    I really really really feel like folks need to take a page from the apple playbook - set a date for an announcement, and at that announcement - tell me when I can buy it.

    Though, the flip side - while we're worried they're "killing" the hype - it didn't really take much for them to get this previous Apple fanboy to spend every !%#$ day since January googling Windows Phone, Lumia 900, and Nokia to try and stay on top of the latest information. That is hugely valuable to them to be able to convert customers like that.
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    03-05-2012 12:58 PM
  15. ChristianKing's Avatar
    Patience younglings. The iPad rules the news the next 2 weeks. Once it's recieved it well deserved crown of Glory from the Apple loving blogs and press, then the Nokia/MS Marketing offensive can begin. Announcing the 900 before the iPad 3 would be a death sentence. Every ounce of new would bury those stories to never be read again.

    Forget march 18th as the official release. It's not happening. They would have announced it already to rev up the marketing machine. As a lucky guy holding a pre-order, I've heard at best, those will be filled around that time as an unannounced soft launch for the blogasphere and preorder people like us that search for every bit of news we can get our hands on. Look for April to be the general official release date. Don't get to hopeful about that April Fools date. More Like a week or so after. No company is stealing apples spotlight at this point and time so once you know the iPad3's release date, it will be easier to get a feel for the Lumia 900s release date. This is chess, not checkers for Nokia in North America. They need lots of hype and clebration. Trying to get attention away from the iPad3's spotlight wont happen on Nokias best day. Wait until after the 7th, then jump 2 maybe 3 weeks after the iPad3's release date for something you can believe in. Remeber, AT&T is going to be pushing the iPad HD with LTE hype also for sales. Once that's done, we'll get our dates.
    03-05-2012 02:06 PM
  16. jgschwandtner's Avatar
    people like us that search for every bit of news we can get our hands on.
    And have a Microsoft store nearby?

    Not sure I'm agreeing with your logic. If Nokia was going to pay attention to "Apple will soon announce," "Apple is announcing," "Apple is now shipping" and that not just for iPhones but also iPads, there'll soon be a lot of dates they can't do anything. Remember, they were going to push a lot of devices this year, not just the 900.

    Also, it's gone from "AT&T Exclusive" to "Exclusive for three months" to "Exclusive for at least a month" to soon launching after the rest of the world? If they're really looking to give it "Hero Phone" status, they better get it out there while it's still halfway up-to-date. What's the benefit of having the best of show for CES 2012 when you can't actually buy it until CES 2013?
    03-05-2012 04:24 PM
  17. thepickupbear's Avatar
    I saw AT&T tweeting with the #ATTSXSW hashtag - since the festival starts this weekend (after the iPad 3 announcement) maybe AT&T will use the media festival as a jumping off point for the hype and will get us some more concrete information then.

    I imagine if they had their teams going around with 900s, some of the musicians, execs and media gurus would be pretty impressed...
    03-05-2012 05:51 PM
  18. ChristianKing's Avatar
    And have a Microsoft store nearby?

    Not sure I'm agreeing with your logic. If Nokia was going to pay attention to "Apple will soon announce," "Apple is announcing," "Apple is now shipping" and that not just for iPhones but also iPads, there'll soon be a lot of dates they can't do anything. Remember, they were going to push a lot of devices this year, not just the 900.

    Also, it's gone from "AT&T Exclusive" to "Exclusive for three months" to "Exclusive for at least a month" to soon launching after the rest of the world? If they're really looking to give it "Hero Phone" status, they better get it out there while it's still halfway up-to-date. What's the benefit of having the best of show for CES 2012 when you can't actually buy it until CES 2013?
    Windows phone doesn't hold a candle attention wise to the iPad. We love windows phone but we must be realistic. When AT&T puts their marketing plans in place the iPhone and iPad come first. The 900 is a cool device, but remember Nokia doesn't really exist in north America right now with any device people care about outside of the 710. To change that, you need a spotlight and you won't get it trying to say look at me when all the iPad 3 lovers are writing the same article 10 times how it's the tablet Moses really needed.

    The 900 must be a hit for Nokia like the 710 Has been. To do that they have to get a lot of love from those same very vocal apple lovers that blog all day. To do that, you let them have their apple love fest. Once that's done, you redefine cool with 13 to 25 year old gang with commercial after commercial of trendy music, colors and celebrity drop ins. You have to out apple, Apple. You can't do that when their announcing magic. Let the smoke and mirrors blow over over
    03-05-2012 07:53 PM
  19. thepickupbear's Avatar
    With the Titan's drop to $0.01, it feels like it's getting closer!
    03-06-2012 01:43 AM
  20. kenosando#AC's Avatar
    1) Who is they? If we're talking about Nokia, no. They are not "killing" the hype. There is no difference in knowing the iPad 3 or iPhone 5 is being announced next week, next month, or next winter, after seeing a millions prototypes and parts and having to wait. It hasn't been two months since they unveiled it, and it was a prototype at an expo that consisted of many other electronics companies, so Nokia had to work to get something to show for CES on the CES calendar, and the same goes for MWC. If Nokia scheduled their own event in this quarter, yes, we'd likely know something definite. That is why Apple doesn't attend CES or MWC because they work on their own schedule.

    2) If it is AT&T we're talking about, it is somewhat likely they could be dragging their feet. Nokia and AT&T have had nearly no relationship on subsidized phones or devices in the past, save for a few older Symbian phones and feature phones. AT&T hasn't carried a Nokia smartphone since the Nokia Surge, which was from 2009. If they are ready and willing to get the Lumia 900 launched, they don't appear to be so. Nothing on their website has anything, while Nokia has the full details of the device, and a sign-up to let you know when its available. I guarantee if the Lumia 900 was announced at CES as an unlocked phone first, and then later announced coming to AT&T, we'd already be seeing it. The Lumia 800 starting shipping live at the Nokia World 2011 keynote by Elop, because it started out as an unlocked device. Nokia has never been thrilled working with US carriers, because they're different than any other carrier in the world, so I can imagine Nokia is really anxious to get this ship moving, but no one can kill the hype, unless you really weren't that interested anyways or just very impatient.
    03-06-2012 11:15 AM
  21. Drivingrain's Avatar
    1) but no one can kill the hype, unless you really weren't that interested anyways or just very impatient.
    I like every part of your answer except for this last line. Dont write off the consumer like that. All three companies have sat back gingerly and permitted a March 18 expectation to be set in the market. The consumer has every right to walk if NOK/MSFT/ATT fails to meet those expectations.
    03-06-2012 12:55 PM
  22. grossitch's Avatar
    1) Who is they? If we're talking about Nokia, no. They are not "killing" the hype. There is no difference in knowing the iPad 3 or iPhone 5 is being announced next week, next month, or next winter, after seeing a millions prototypes and parts and having to wait. It hasn't been two months since they unveiled it, and it was a prototype at an expo that consisted of many other electronics companies, so Nokia had to work to get something to show for CES on the CES calendar, and the same goes for MWC. If Nokia scheduled their own event in this quarter, yes, we'd likely know something definite. That is why Apple doesn't attend CES or MWC because they work on their own schedule.

    2) If it is AT&T we're talking about, it is somewhat likely they could be dragging their feet. Nokia and AT&T have had nearly no relationship on subsidized phones or devices in the past, save for a few older Symbian phones and feature phones. AT&T hasn't carried a Nokia smartphone since the Nokia Surge, which was from 2009. If they are ready and willing to get the Lumia 900 launched, they don't appear to be so. Nothing on their website has anything, while Nokia has the full details of the device, and a sign-up to let you know when its available. I guarantee if the Lumia 900 was announced at CES as an unlocked phone first, and then later announced coming to AT&T, we'd already be seeing it. The Lumia 800 starting shipping live at the Nokia World 2011 keynote by Elop, because it started out as an unlocked device. Nokia has never been thrilled working with US carriers, because they're different than any other carrier in the world, so I can imagine Nokia is really anxious to get this ship moving, but no one can kill the hype, unless you really weren't that interested anyways or just very impatient.
    Great post. I'm sure AT&T is the hold up. The United States carrier system causes all sorts of issues. There might be some last minute technical testing/debugging happening, but my gut tells me the big hold up is the marketing schedule and it clashing with other devices. Right now it's the Galaxy Note's turn, then iPad 3 will get a bunch of press, and then finally the Lumia 900 will get it's turn before the Galaxy S3 is released in May.
    03-06-2012 02:05 PM
  23. jgschwandtner's Avatar
    "It's AT&T's fault." Even if AT&T is the big evil one who is holding everything up, that wouldn't keep Nokia from communicating. They may not be able to give the final release date or price, but they could at least provide something so there's not only a deafening silence. I don't recall that there's been anything from Nokia since CES regarding the U.S. launch of the 900.
    03-06-2012 03:39 PM
  24. Alteran195's Avatar
    "It's AT&T's fault." Even if AT&T is the big evil one who is holding everything up, that wouldn't keep Nokia from communicating. They may not be able to give the final release date or price, but they could at least provide something so there's not only a deafening silence. I don't recall that there's been anything from Nokia since CES regarding the U.S. launch of the 900.
    There has been absolutely nothing about the US launch since they announced it.

    I also find it hard to believe that they were that far from a production model at CES, given how solid everything on the phone looked. Its really not THAT different from the 800 spec wise, all it has is the front camera, LTE, and a bigger screen... Also, given the fact that there are now april release times for other countries, they cant wait to long for this "US AT&T exclusive phone" or it will only be exclusive for what? A couple weeks?
    03-06-2012 04:16 PM
  25. ruazn2's Avatar
    US At&t's Nokia Lumia 900 available on Sunday April 8th ~ Nokia For Us

    I dunno the website so not sure if its reliable? BTW, NOK stock has tanked since start of MWC, sucks!
    03-06-2012 05:02 PM
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