04-24-2012 03:26 PM
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  1. krayziehustler's Avatar
    And your point is what? That the Arrive and Samsung phones are faster than the Lumia 900? And that users of those devices are used to a certain level of responsiveness and don't want to step back to a slower device on a platform that constantly advertises how quick it is?
    one is not SLOWER than the other. Don't go around using that term as it will only mislead the people. Nokia uses a different feature. My HTC Titan and my HD7 before that were the same as the Lumia 900.
    04-02-2012 10:13 AM
  2. jimski's Avatar
    I didn't know performance was measured in how "fast" you could scroll from the top to the bottom of a list of icons or posts. (Hate when reviewers do that mindless up/down flicking.) I thought it was measured in how "quickly" you could find something while scrolling.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    04-02-2012 10:24 AM
  3. falconeight#IM's Avatar
    I didn't know performance was measured in how "fast" you could scroll from the top to the bottom of a list of icons or posts. (Hate when reviewers do that mindless up/down flicking.) I thought it was measured in how "quickly" you could find something while scrolling.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    You are correct and the scrolling is nice. It classy and almost feels tactile.
    04-02-2012 10:58 AM
  4. PhilR8's Avatar
    one is not SLOWER than the other. Don't go around using that term as it will only mislead the people. Nokia uses a different feature. My HTC Titan and my HD7 before that were the same as the Lumia 900.
    "It's not a bug, it's a feature."

    I think I'll go back and compare the 900 to the Titan that's on display in the AT&T store and I'll report back to this thread. In the past when I've played with the Titan, the experience closely mirrored the experience of my Arrive. No noticeable difference. The experience on the 900 was very noticeably different.
    04-02-2012 11:11 AM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    There is no spoon.....:)
    04-02-2012 12:39 PM
  6. J4rrod's Avatar
    @PhilR8 still isn't getting it. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. Let me try to explain it using this hypothetical example:

    If you take take your finger and place it at the bottom of a Samsung handset, and you swipe your finger up and release your finger at 10mph, the screen will scroll down at a speed of 7mph.

    If you take take your finger and place it at the bottom of a Nokia/HTC handset, and you swipe your finger up and release your finger at 10mph, the screen will scroll down at a speed of 4mph.

    This is how it was designed by each respective manufacturer.

    What's the same among all manufacturers is this:

    If you place your finger on the screen, and move your finger up and down at a speed of 10mph and do not remove your finger, the screen will scroll up and down at a speed of 10mph. If this was not the case, and only the 900 did not stay at 10mph in this case, this would be lag.
    Last edited by J4rrod; 04-02-2012 at 04:46 PM.
    04-02-2012 04:41 PM
  7. PhilR8's Avatar
    I get it: it's a feature, not a bug.

    @PhilR8 still isn't getting it. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. Let me try to explain it using this hypothetical example:

    If you take take your finger and place it at the bottom of a Samsung handset, and you swipe your finger up and release your finger at 10mph, the screen will scroll down at a speed of 7mph.

    If you take take your finger and place it at the bottom of a Nokia/HTC handset, and you swipe your finger up and release your finger at 10mph, the screen will scroll down at a speed of 4mph.

    This is how it was designed by each respective manufacturer.

    What's the same among all manufacturers is this:

    If you place your finger on the screen, and move your finger up and down at a speed of 10mph and do not remove your finger, the screen will scroll up and down at a speed of 10mph. If this was not the case, and only the 900 did not stay at 10mph in this case, this would be lag.
    04-02-2012 07:25 PM
  8. Seketh's Avatar
    Honestly, all this discussion about "lag", or as it was corrected, scroll speed, is just nitpicking, nothing else.

    In real world usage, you won't notice it at all, it'll feel just as fast as every other Windows Phone...
    04-03-2012 10:58 AM
  9. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Honestly, all this discussion about "lag", or as it was corrected, scroll speed, is just nitpicking, nothing else.

    In real world usage, you won't notice it at all, it'll feel just as fast as every other Windows Phone...
    have to agree you always get chicken littles popping up their heads on phone launches or anything new for that matter
    04-03-2012 11:10 AM
  10. ejb222's Avatar
    The scroll speed has nothing to do with the speed of the device. I can set the mouse speed on my i5 PC to turtle speed and that doesn't mean the PC is slow.
    I played with the Lumia 900...it's not the device per se...it's basically for every inch your finger moves, the menu moves less than on your Samsung device. It has nothing to do with LAG or a SLOW DEVICE. It's just a preset scroll speed.
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    04-03-2012 03:58 PM
  11. txaggies07's Avatar
    The scroll speed has nothing to do with the speed of the device. I can set the mouse speed on my i5 PC to turtle speed and that doesn't mean the PC is slow.
    I played with the Lumia 900...it's not the device per se...it's basically for every inch your finger moves, the menu moves less than on your Samsung device. It has nothing to do with LAG or a SLOW DEVICE. It's just a preset scroll speed.
    I just played with one at an AT&T store and did not notice any "lag" or scroll speed issues. I guess I just like the speed at which the phone scrolls. It doesn't feel that different from my Focus Flash. It is slower scrolling then the Focus Flash...but not that much.
    04-04-2012 01:59 PM
  12. identity-x's Avatar
    I HAVE experienced lag, though...

    The scroll speed I can get used to. I came from an original Focus and scrolling zipped along. Makes sense that it would be a difference with Samsung.i have no basis no for comparison. Scroll speed is different from initial responsiveness, though, and THAT is different on my 900 too. While the screen follows at a slower speed, it also does BEHIND my finger. Touch the screen, move upward about 1mm...no movement until you move another mm or so. You can definitely tell when using drawing apps or the draw a line test in the Nokia diagnostics app.

    But back to the lag. At least a couple of time while scrolling through contacts, using IE and even scrolling through the Weave app that brought me here its lagged. I'll move my finger a good half inch or more with NO response, then the page will instantly move the half inch or so with NO scrolling. it just jumps to where it should have been anyway. It's jarring to say the least.

    AND the keyboard has a tendency to lag a bit, like the button animations are playing catch up to my typing. This was an issue in one of the second gen phones, yes? It's most noticeable when I enter my password at the lockscreen. Sometimes I will have pressed the third the number before the first even registers. Its enough of a lag that I sometimes push the delete button just before the first number registers because I think I've missed a button while typing...then I have to delete the password completely and retype more slowly because I'm not sure which numbers have actually been entered
    04-13-2012 11:16 AM
  13. fc000's Avatar
    Actually technically it is "lag" as the screen response to movements is delayed. I noticed this on my Lumia 900 having come from a Lumia 800. The difference, the 800 responds without any visible delay. On the Lumia 900, it is very obvious that touch input is delayed.

    The touch response on the 900 isn't on the same level as the 800(vastly superior to most phones on the market), which is possibly due to the larger screen. Taking more then 2 swipes to move down the start screen isn't really acceptable in my opinion. It could very well be adjusted with an update in the future, but for now, I've returned my L900 and will stick with the L800.

    There's a great bit from Microsoft Research on touch input delay and how it affects the user experience:

    04-13-2012 12:09 PM
  14. identity-x's Avatar
    Actually technically it is "lag" as the screen response to movements is delayed. I noticed this on my Lumia 900 having come from a Lumia 800. The difference, the 800 responds without any visible delay. On the Lumia 900, it is very obvious that touch input is delayed.

    The touch response on the 900 isn't on the same level as the 800(vastly superior to most phones on the market), which is possibly due to the larger screen. Taking more then 2 swipes to move down the start screen isn't really acceptable in my opinion. It could very well be adjusted with an update in the future, but for now, I've returned my L900 and will stick with the L800.

    There's a great bit from Microsoft Research on touch input delay and how it affects the user experience:

    yes!

    My Focus responded in a way that is much closer to the 50ms latency. My 900 much closer to 100ms. I much prefer the former.
    04-13-2012 01:19 PM
  15. nikkopol's Avatar
    I admit that I don't have any experience with other Windows Phones, but I have used the iPhone quite a bit, and I'm not noticing any kind of lag with my L900. It is very responsive (no delay) and a single swipe will easily scroll through all of my tiles, and even all of the apps.

    From reading this discussion, there seems to be two distinct issues. It sounds like the L900 may have a slower scroll speed than some other WP handsets. But it also sounds like some people are experiencing a real "lag". The second issue (the "lag") may be another quality control issue with a subset of L900s.

    There are at least four major issues that seem to be affecting certain subsets of L900s:

    1/ The data connectivity issue - this is confirmed by Nokia and I have been experiencing it (absolutely no connectivity since Apr 6, except for a few hours after doing a hard reset)

    2/ Battery issue - I have not had any battery issues. My L900 can easily go the entire day and seems to perform as advertised. But several people are complaining about it on these forums.

    3/ Camera/picture quality - My L900 has been taking pretty crappy pictures. Bad focus (even when using tap-to-focus), terrible in low light, and awful white balance. It sounds like a lot of other people are experiencing this. But I've seen other people take pretty decent (not incredible, but decent) pictures that do not compare at all to what I'm getting.

    4/ Touch screen lag - Some of what you guys are describing sounds like a real problem with your phone. There is big difference between a slow scroll and a lag.


    I'm sure there are plenty of smaller issues that are not as widespread as those listed above.
    04-13-2012 01:41 PM
  16. ddaniel87's Avatar
    There is no lag in the phone's system apps or screens. You will however find some in third party apps from the WPStore. Example: weather channel, accu weather, pulse, etc. The apps that are part of the system are slick and smooth.
    04-13-2012 02:16 PM
  17. Fleon's Avatar
    Just to chime in here with some engineering info.

    The scroll speed for each phone is set by the OEM, not by the OS. There are some blogs out there that talk about the choices for speeds, the screen technologies, etc etc.

    So responsiveness isn't a bug. It's a choice.
    04-13-2012 02:22 PM
  18. invertme's Avatar
    Just to chime in here with some engineering info.

    The scroll speed for each phone is set by the OEM, not by the OS. There are some blogs out there that talk about the choices for speeds, the screen technologies, etc etc.

    So responsiveness isn't a bug. It's a choice.

    Sorry to revive this thread but I don't think this is a "choice" - there is a responsiveness issue with the 900. I thought it was a scroll speed setting too but after playing a lot of Wordament on my 900 and watching my score plummet because the screen cannot even remotely keep up with my swiping it's clear there is an issue. I've notice the problem in other swipe intensive games too.

    Hopefully Nokia fixes the problem soon. Other than that I love my 900. Not sure if I love it more than my Focus yet but time will tell.
    04-24-2012 09:05 AM
  19. pdsaz's Avatar
    Just got the 900. Coming from an HTC arrive. Sweet phone but I agree the slower scroll speed is taking some getting used to. It doesn't seem as "organic" on 900. Like you and the phone are somehow disconnected. Not a deal breaker but I hope in the future this is user selectable or has some type of option.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    04-24-2012 09:13 AM
  20. PhilR8's Avatar
    Sorry to revive this thread but I don't think this is a "choice" - there is a responsiveness issue with the 900. I thought it was a scroll speed setting too but after playing a lot of Wordament on my 900 and watching my score plummet because the screen cannot even remotely keep up with my swiping it's clear there is an issue. I've notice the problem in other swipe intensive games too.

    Hopefully Nokia fixes the problem soon. Other than that I love my 900. Not sure if I love it more than my Focus yet but time will tell.
    My Shuffle Party scores are definitely lower on my 900 from what they were on my Arrive. I was throwing four, five, six strikes in a row with EASE on my Arrive. High score: 244. Now on my Lumia, rolling a turkey is uncommon. High score: 224ish, and I've only broken 200 a handful of times.
    04-24-2012 11:17 AM
  21. ayejay0601's Avatar
    Look guys, I've played with 2 900s. There is not, I repeat not, a lag issue. When you say "lag" you automatically make people thing of actual lag, like Android has. Let me explain what is going on here:

    Firstly, I almost promise you that all these people making this claim are Samsung handset owners. This "lag" isn't lag, it's scroll speed. That's it. No lag whatsoever. The reason I say every claimer is a Samsung handset owner is because Samsung handsets have a very fast scroll speed. I've used HTC handsets and the scroll speed on them is the exact same as on the 900. What I'm saying is, if you have only used HTC handsets, you won't be able to tell any difference between yours and the 900, because neither your phone nor the 900 has a scrolling issue. I just wanted to clear that up. Do not worry if you're planning on getting the 900. There are no issues whatsoever.
    When I think "lag", I think of the response of the OS to my finger (thats what she said). If I swipe up, does the OS need a few milliseconds to register my swipe?

    My conclusion: relative to Android OS's, WP7 is much faster. Relative to iOS, WP7 is still slightly (ever so slightly) slower. Not a deal breaker--and it probably has to do with the advantage iOS has in having to support only one touch technology whereas WP7 has to support many. But the truth remains...iOS wins on this.

    I have to give iOS credit--especially on the iPad devices. Its amazing--soometimes I feel like the OS start working before I even really move my finger. Comparing iPad to any Android tablet and you really notice the lag on Android.
    04-24-2012 12:58 PM
  22. sleepyking's Avatar
    I have an 800 and when I played with the 900 in a store, I noticed it was relatively slower than the 800 in terms of swiping.

    I agree w/ the above that the 900 feels like it takes some milliseconds between my finger swipe and the actual movement on the OS. the 800 is ultra responsive and swipes accordingly depending on how slow or quick I flick through the screen, even more so than my iPhone 4.
    04-24-2012 01:06 PM
  23. invertme's Avatar
    Relative to iOS, WP7 is still slightly (ever so slightly) slower. Not a deal breaker--and it probably has to do with the advantage iOS has in having to support only one touch technology whereas WP7 has to support many. But the truth remains...iOS wins on this.
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    Sorry but no way. Maybe on the 900 because something is wrong with the touch speed - but every other WP device is faster and more fluid than iOS. It have 75 iPhones I support at work and about 30 Windows Phones to backup my feelings on the matter.
    04-24-2012 01:48 PM
  24. ayejay0601's Avatar
    Sorry but no way. Maybe on the 900 because something is wrong with the touch speed - but every other WP device is faster and more fluid than iOS. It have 75 iPhones I support at work and about 30 Windows Phones to backup my feelings on the matter.
    I want you to be right...And maybe you are right. It may just be an issue of perception. But iOS is perceived by me to be faster. Not enough to be a deal breaker by any means--in fact barely noticeable.

    It also might have to do with the fact that its a bigger screen--WP7 feels faster on smaller screens.

    Listen, I love WP7 and cannot wait for Verizon to start supporting it (with an LTE device) so I can jump ship from Android (which I only use for Verizon's LTE). I think overall the OS feels better than iOS. Months after I discovered, I am still enamored. The honeymoon doesn't end. I can't even describe in words what I love about it but I do. But I also want to be impartial...how can we improve our OS if we do not know its faults.
    04-24-2012 02:00 PM
  25. KingCrimson's Avatar
    There is absolutely no lag on any kind of scrolling, it's buttery smooth. There is a slight lag on screen rotation, but I wonder if that's by design to not have unintended rotations.
    04-24-2012 03:11 PM
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